"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Noah]

I have noticed, they just tend to put SSB whenever they don't seem to have a clear idea on what level the opponent Goku facing is in, like against Android 17, nobody knows how strong he is exactly, he is just said to have good combat abilities in the scan which states Freeza and Goku are equal and most powerful... Trio De Dangers beam, Arale who suddenly manages to give out a beam 100 times stronger than before etc.. Very few instances are there where it's use is actually not warranted...

I don't know how much f***** up is Super schedule, but it would be that hard from them to do some basic reseach like:

Toei staff: "Toyotaro-san, in the next episode of DBS, Goku will face 17 for the first time! Will this be a difficult match for him? How strong 17 is supposed to be after all these years?"

Toyotaro: "Well, 17 was weaker than Cell in his first form, Toriyama-san said androids can train a get stronger, but all 17 did the years after was work in a island as park ranger and deal with some poachers. I think SSJ or... Maybe SSJ2 is enough for Goku in this match."

But, nah... It's not like they give a damn about power scaling and what fans think about the inconsistencies in the show. Just have Goku using his ultimate Saiyan transformation with everyone with the excuse of Ki Control and f*** everything

[spoiler][/spoiler]

All 80 fighters are present in this pic, even the invisible ones from U4?

Here are the full designs of the new Namekians if anyone's curious:
[spoiler]
[/spoiler]

I like it. The new one below actually has a much better outfit than Piccolo ever had.

If you're talking about the one close to Piccolo in the second pic, I agree, the other one that resembles Slug not much. I mean what with the Saiyan gloves? He would look better without.

The bigger guy resembles Lord Slug.

Can Frost get Cooler's transformation while we're at it?

We've gotten a bunch of movie & GT stuff in here so ye, I second a Cooler like form for Frost!

I'm third! Give us moar movies references!

So why is GT still listed on the official timeline if it isn't canon? By that logic all the movies should be listed there too.

There's no official canon stated in this franchise.

It means GT is none canon.

So is Super, bro

[Whatever]

I have noticed, they just tend to put SSB whenever they don't seem to have a clear idea on what level the opponent Goku facing is in, like against Android 17, nobody knows how strong he is exactly, he is just said to have good combat abilities in the scan which states Freeza and Goku are equal and most powerful... Trio De Dangers beam, Arale who suddenly manages to give out a beam 100 times stronger than before etc.. Very few instances are there where it's use is actually not warranted...

I don't know how much f***** up is Super schedule, but it would be that hard from them to do some basic reseach like:

Toei staff: "Toyotaro-san, in the next episode of DBS, Goku will face 17 for the first time! Will this be a difficult match for him? How strong 17 is supposed to be after all these years?"

Toyotaro: "Well, 17 was weaker than Cell in his first form, Toriyama-san said androids can train a get stronger, but all 17 did the years after was work in a island as park ranger and deal with some poachers. I think SSJ or... Maybe SSJ2 is enough for Goku in this match."

But, nah... It's not like they give a damn about power scaling and what fans think about the inconsistencies in the show. Just have Goku using his ultimate Saiyan transformation with everyone with the excuse of Ki Control and f*** everything

[spoiler][/spoiler]

All 80 fighters are present in this pic, even the invisible ones from U4?

Here are the full designs of the new Namekians if anyone's curious:
[spoiler]
[/spoiler]

I like it. The new one below actually has a much better outfit than Piccolo ever had.

If you're talking about the one close to Piccolo in the second pic, I agree, the other one that resembles Slug not much. I mean what with the Saiyan gloves? He would look better without.

The bigger guy resembles Lord Slug.

Can Frost get Cooler's transformation while we're at it?

We've gotten a bunch of movie & GT stuff in here so ye, I second a Cooler like form for Frost!

I'm third! Give us moar movies references!

So why is GT still listed on the official timeline if it isn't canon? By that logic all the movies should be listed there too.

There's no official canon stated in this franchise.

It means GT is none canon.

So is Super, bro

You know for a filler character you sure have a big opinion on what is canon Noah.

[MainJPW]

It means GT is none canon.

So is Super, bro

I've noticed that a good way to summon Noah is to imply that Super is canon.

[perucho1990]

I have noticed, they just tend to put SSB whenever they don't seem to have a clear idea on what level the opponent Goku facing is in..
Like against Android 17, nobody knows how strong he is exactly, he is just said to have good combat abilities in the scan which states freeza and Goku are equal and most powerful..
Trio the dangers beam, Arale who suddenly manages to give out a beam 100 times stronger than before etc..
Very few instances are there where it's use is actually not warranted..

Arale has the excuse of being a gag character, like Saitama.

SSJB is dead now, Toei single handledly destroyed the form by having Goku overuse it to death, the last straw was having Kale tank a kamehameha even if Goku didnt go all out.

Now with the 104 spoilers, fans will think Kale can defeat Hit.

[Zamasu55]

Love seeing people getting upset because GT exists.

It isn't canon.

Sure bro.

It is not.

[Noah]

You know for a filler character you sure have a big opinion on what is canon Noah.

You know you can actually edit your post if you're just going to anwser one sentence, right? Anyway, people should know that just because some content is filler doesn't mean is factually bad.

I enjoyed the Virtual World and Doma arc (Waking the Dragons) and I acknowledge that none are part of the main continuity.

[Lapislettuce]

I have noticed, they just tend to put SSB whenever they don't seem to have a clear idea on what level the opponent Goku facing is in, like against Android 17, nobody knows how strong he is exactly, he is just said to have good combat abilities in the scan which states Freeza and Goku are equal and most powerful... Trio De Dangers beam, Arale who suddenly manages to give out a beam 100 times stronger than before etc.. Very few instances are there where it's use is actually not warranted...

I don't know how much f***** up is Super schedule, but it would be that hard from them to do some basic reseach like:

Toei staff: "Toyotaro-san, in the next episode of DBS, Goku will face 17 for the first time! Will this be a difficult match for him? How strong 17 is supposed to be after all these years?"

Toyotaro: "Well, 17 was weaker than Cell in his first form, Toriyama-san said androids can train a get stronger, but all 17 did the years after was work in a island as park ranger and deal with some poachers. I think SSJ or... Maybe SSJ2 is enough for Goku in this match."

This is dumb, they clearly said that 17 has been training all along, also dealing with poachers for 10 years is much better than jumping a huge power gap in the space of 2 hours.

[Noah]

This is dumb, they clearly said that 17 has been training all along, also dealing with poachers for 10 years is much better than jumping a huge power gap in the space of 2 hours.

Sorry, but who said and when? And could you be more specific? I don't know who you're referencing to in your example.

[Cetra]

You know for a filler character you sure have a big opinion on what is canon Noah.

I enjoyed the Virtual World and Doma arc (Waking the Dragons) and I acknowledge that none are part of the main continuity.

Also Yugioh is a bad example because the anime could not be more obviously being its own thing with stuff like Pegasus being alive and the whole post-Atem series. So whoever disregarfs anything in Yugioh probably does disregard stuff in Pokémon because they think the anime has to be like the games or the manga, etc.

[Lapislettuce]

This is dumb, they clearly said that 17 has been training all along, also dealing with poachers for 10 years is much better than jumping a huge power gap in the space of 2 hours.

Sorry, but who said and when? And could you be more specific? I don't know who you're referencing to in your example.

17 did say he kept up with his training "it's not like i spent my whole time relaxing" this implies training, also my example is clear i'm talking about Gohan who went from buu saga tier to exchanging punches with ssb in the space of 2 hours and lets not forget about Frieza who was weaker than freaking ssj 1 and became god level by training with fodder for 3 months, but of course 17 training for over a decade that's where toei is crossing the line ? sure also you might wanna know that toei is not responsible for 17's power up it's Toriyama and the whole team agreed to it.

[Cetra]

This is dumb, they clearly said that 17 has been training all along, also dealing with poachers for 10 years is much better than jumping a huge power gap in the space of 2 hours.

Sorry, but who said and when? And could you be more specific? I don't know who you're referencing to in your example.

17 did say he kept up with his training "it's not like i spent my whole time relaxing" this implies training, also my example is clear i'm talking about Gohan who went from buu saga tier to exchanging punches with ssb in the space of 2 hours and lets not forget about Frieza who was weaker than freaking ssj 1 and became god level by training with fodder for 3 months, but of course 17 training for over a decade that's where toei is crossing the line ? sure also you might wanna know that toei is not responsible for 17's power up it's Toriyama and the whole team agreed to it.

Considering Toei asked him if what he thinks of whole Goku VS 17 idea thing when they wanted to make it and his answer was its fine 17 has a lot of potential I would not really say the idea came directly from him.

[TheSaiyanGod]

I have noticed, they just tend to put SSB whenever they don't seem to have a clear idea on what level the opponent Goku facing is in..
Like against Android 17, nobody knows how strong he is exactly, he is just said to have good combat abilities in the scan which states freeza and Goku are equal and most powerful..
Trio the dangers beam, Arale who suddenly manages to give out a beam 100 times stronger than before etc..
Very few instances are there where it's use is actually not warranted..

Arale has the excuse of being a gag character, like Saitama.

SSJB is dead now, Toei single handledly destroyed the form by having Goku overuse it to death, the last straw was having Kale tank a kamehameha even if Goku didnt go all out.

Now with the 104 spoilers, fans will think Kale can defeat Hit.

I do not think so because it was clear that Goku held onto SSB.

Goku himself said he would release a little more power in the SSB transformation.
The explanation for this is just that the SSJ3 would consume much more energy and he would have to make more effort in that way.
 
The appearance of SSG now really will confuse everything, but we have to think that TOEI simply wanted to make this transformation appear now, even with Goku and Vegeta already wanting to restrain themselves from the start of the tournament (making the use of SSB not necessary in some episodes)

[Lapislettuce]

Sorry, but who said and when? And could you be more specific? I don't know who you're referencing to in your example.

17 did say he kept up with his training "it's not like i spent my whole time relaxing" this implies training, also my example is clear i'm talking about Gohan who went from buu saga tier to exchanging punches with ssb in the space of 2 hours and lets not forget about Frieza who was weaker than freaking ssj 1 and became god level by training with fodder for 3 months, but of course 17 training for over a decade that's where toei is crossing the line ? sure also you might wanna know that toei is not responsible for 17's power up it's Toriyama and the whole team agreed to it.

Considering Toei asked him if what he thinks of whole Goku VS 17 idea thing when they wanted to make it and his answer was its fine 17 has a lot of potential I would not really say the idea came directly from him.

Nah it was his idea.

[Cetra]

17 did say he kept up with his training "it's not like i spent my whole time relaxing" this implies training, also my example is clear i'm talking about Gohan who went from buu saga tier to exchanging punches with ssb in the space of 2 hours and lets not forget about Frieza who was weaker than freaking ssj 1 and became god level by training with fodder for 3 months, but of course 17 training for over a decade that's where toei is crossing the line ? sure also you might wanna know that toei is not responsible for 17's power up it's Toriyama and the whole team agreed to it.

Considering Toei asked him if what he thinks of whole Goku VS 17 idea thing when they wanted to make it and his answer was its fine 17 has a lot of potential I would not really say the idea came directly from him.

Nah it was his idea.

Not Toshio-san's comment. The comment that reflected what I said about them talking about the episode idea. It is a while since it has been posted here and it is 3 AM but if I find it I will send you the post/twitter link/whatever it was. Besides even Toshio-san's comment says that the scenario's idea came from the team, so Goku VS 17 - if Toshio-san is talking about the same thing I mean - says the same thing anyway.

[Lapislettuce]

Considering Toei asked him if what he thinks of whole Goku VS 17 idea thing when they wanted to make it and his answer was its fine 17 has a lot of potential I would not really say the idea came directly from him.

Nah it was his idea.

Not Toshio-san's comment. The comment that reflected what I said about them talking about the episode idea. It is a while since it has been posted here and it is 3 AM but if I find it I will send you the post/twitter link/whatever it was.

Toriyama was the one who wanted 17 back and he's the one who said he has an enormous potential so yeah of course they had his permission to make him stronger and that tweet proves everyone agreed with it, some hypocritical people complaining about it won't change thatn they're just wasting their energy.

[Cetra]

Nah it was his idea.

Not Toshio-san's comment. The comment that reflected what I said about them talking about the episode idea. It is a while since it has been posted here and it is 3 AM but if I find it I will send you the post/twitter link/whatever it was.

Toriyama was the one who wanted 17 back and he's the one who said he has an enormous potential so yeah of course they had his permission to make him stronger and that tweet proves everyone agreed with it, some hypocritical people complaining about it won't change thatn they're just wasting their energy.

You are messing up the timeline of statements I am talking about though.

I will send you the post any minute.

[MainJPW]

I do not think so because it was clear that Goku held onto SSB.

Goku himself said he would release a little more power in the SSB transformation.

Wasn't the exact quote, "I'm gonna let out more power"?

[Whatever]

You know for a filler character you sure have a big opinion on what is canon Noah.

You know you can actually edit your post if you're just going to anwser one sentence, right? Anyway, people should know that just because some content is filler doesn't mean is factually bad.

I enjoyed the Virtual World and Doma arc (Waking the Dragons) and I acknowledge that none are part of the main continuity.

My post was meant as a joke,nothing else.
I liked those arcs as well and Yugioh DM despite being losely adapted from the manga,its a thing on its own to the point it may not even be accurate to call those 2 arcs filler.
Although whatever you like super or not,how much canon it is,is not something you can deny unless stated otherwise.

[Cetra]

You know for a filler character you sure have a big opinion on what is canon Noah.

You know you can actually edit your post if you're just going to anwser one sentence, right? Anyway, people should know that just because some content is filler doesn't mean is factually bad.

I enjoyed the Virtual World and Doma arc (Waking the Dragons) and I acknowledge that none are part of the main continuity.

My post was meant as a joke,nothing else.
I liked those arcs as well and Yugioh DM despite being losely adapted from the manga,its a thing on its own to the point it may not even be accurate to call those 2 arcs filler.

Also I thought the Noah and Dartz arcs where pretty well written for a TCG show. Stuff like Pegasus and Cyndia/Cecelia did not get enough exposition as I feel such a character should get (Pegasus).

[TheSaiyanGod]

I do not think so because it was clear that Goku held onto SSB.

Goku himself said he would release a little more power in the SSB transformation.

Wasn't the exact quote, "I'm gonna let out more power"?

No, this was a translation error even from Crunchyroll itself

I asked a user who knows Japanese here and Herms, and they confirmed that Goku said '' choto reki ireteikuzo, "which means '' to release A LITTLE more power.

Herms Answer:

https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/889710976848732161