"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Michsi]

GUYS stop arguing over your favorite characters and focus on whats REALLY IMPORTANT the homie Gowasu is about to get bodied out of existence by the son of the man that saved his life thats foul rip

Well, at least Gohan will apparently feel really bad about it.

[ssjprodigy]

GUYS stop arguing over your favorite characters and focus on whats REALLY IMPORTANT the homie Gowasu is about to get bodied out of existence by the son of the man that saved his life thats foul rip

Well, at least Gohan will apparently feel really bad about it.

Yeah unlike most of the fighters there cough *goku* cough *Vegeta*

[GodKaio-Ken]

GUYS stop arguing over your favorite characters and focus on whats REALLY IMPORTANT the homie Gowasu is about to get bodied out of existence by the son of the man that saved his life thats foul rip

Well, at least Gohan will apparently feel really bad about it.

Yeah unlike most of the fighters there cough *goku* cough *Vegeta*

Goku did care for a minute when U9 was first erased.

[ssjprodigy]

Well, at least Gohan will apparently feel really bad about it.

Yeah unlike most of the fighters there cough *goku* cough *Vegeta*

Goku did care for a minute when U9 was first erased.

Yeah a minute but thats goku's nature so i dont blame him

[Lapislettuce]

No disrespect, but this is beginning to sound more like a personalised attack. I've relayed my tempered expectations several times now. I'm more confused at how this conclusion was reached that an outcry from fans, judging by your reference to "people", was reached. Is it more than just arbitrary selection that #17 was picked? Can you offer an official source on fans wanting #17 to return? How much of this tournament will be apportioned to him? Rather than basking for weeks on end in his exploits during a single episode, I would like to know what it will all entail and what the relative percentage of his participation will equal by the end of this tournament because it will likely have consequences being footed in the form of inactivity from most in this tournament.

I've been in the fan base for years and i know that i constantly see people mentioning 17 and wanting him to join as a z fighter, there has been even fan pages and blogs dedicated to that not to mention he WAS NEVER FORGOTTEN by fans he was always relevant in Japan with db hero games, merchandise and fanarts, also it's quit OBVIOUS that 17 will do more than most people on the team, he's one of the most promoted and hyped up characters not to mention one of the strongest characters on the team, Toriyama brought him back and gave him an amazing power boost and he obviously has more plans for him what he did on episode 102 was just a warm up, you will see on your own and i'm sure deep down you know it too otherwise you wouldn't have attacked his presence out of everyone who has been shoved on our faces more than he was.

You mean on these forums and on the Internet in general, yes? Because I thought Toei's chief market was the local Japanese populace. I can understand advocates existing in the international fandom, and Toei would be smart to pay at least some heed to their interests, but I'm looking for something that's more local in the country of origin -- maybe some popularity polls or Q&A with local Japanese fans citing their desire for him to return. The closest example I can personally find to a direct acknowledgement of which characters the Japanese populace prefers was taken back during the release of the Kazenban Official Guide in 2004 -- #17 wasn't even in the top fifteen. General merchandise doesn't really suffice as it attempts to market as many characters as possible who happen to be of interest to the fans.

To "Lord Freeza": I said prior to this arc. What you're describing with the two developmental episodes fit squarely in the "Tournament of Power" slot. Goku was involved in the recruitment of most fighters in episodes leading up to the event. #17's general involvement wasn't lost on me, but the exact amount and quality of it was. Did anyone anticipate him being comparable to Gohan prior to Toshio's social media post? Goku's usage of SSJB against Krillin would likely have been grounds for dubiety in judging #17's power, albeit his comment of restricting some of his power differentiates him from Krillin as the stronger fighter between the two of them.

Actually before Toshio's tweet (which we don't take seriously) a lot of people thought 17 was stronger than Gohan, sorry if you missed the part where Goku himself said he had no intention using ssb against him but he was FORCED to, and sorry if you missed the other part where 17 had an even fight with ssb Goku while holding back, Krillin didn't do any of that so the fact that you compare the fights is illogical, 17 was established as one of the strongest on the team before Toshio even said anything about him being equal to Gohan, i still rank 17 higher than Gohan, personal opinion considering 17 was able to push Goku to ssb and fought longer with ssb than Gohan did.
Oh and 17 wasn't even top 15 ? SO WHAT ?!!! of course he wouldn't be top 15, it's hard being above characters who are constantly shoved in your face, it's already a big accomplishment he was ranked right after Bulma an OG dragon ball character.

[ArchedThunder]

Sorry if this was brought up, but according to Herms that timeline is coppied almost exactly from Chouzenshuu 4 with Super slapped on, though it only actually mentions BoG's events.

[ssjprodigy]

I've been in the fan base for years and i know that i constantly see people mentioning 17 and wanting him to join as a z fighter, there has been even fan pages and blogs dedicated to that not to mention he WAS NEVER FORGOTTEN by fans he was always relevant in Japan with db hero games, merchandise and fanarts, also it's quit OBVIOUS that 17 will do more than most people on the team, he's one of the most promoted and hyped up characters not to mention one of the strongest characters on the team, Toriyama brought him back and gave him an amazing power boost and he obviously has more plans for him what he did on episode 102 was just a warm up, you will see on your own and i'm sure deep down you know it too otherwise you wouldn't have attacked his presence out of everyone who has been shoved on our faces more than he was.

You mean on these forums and on the Internet in general, yes? Because I thought Toei's chief market was the local Japanese populace. I can understand advocates existing in the international fandom, and Toei would be smart to pay at least some heed to their interests, but I'm looking for something that's more local in the country of origin -- maybe some popularity polls or Q&A with local Japanese fans citing their desire for him to return. The closest example I can personally find to a direct acknowledgement of which characters the Japanese populace prefers was taken back during the release of the Kazenban Official Guide in 2004 -- #17 wasn't even in the top fifteen. General merchandise doesn't really suffice as it attempts to market as many characters as possible who happen to be of interest to the fans.

To "Lord Freeza": I said prior to this arc. What you're describing with the two developmental episodes fit squarely in the "Tournament of Power" slot. Goku was involved in the recruitment of most fighters in episodes leading up to the event. #17's general involvement wasn't lost on me, but the exact amount and quality of it was. Did anyone anticipate him being comparable to Gohan prior to Toshio's social media post? Goku's usage of SSJB against Krillin would likely have been grounds for dubiety in judging #17's power, albeit his comment of restricting some of his power differentiates him from Krillin as the stronger fighter between the two of them.

Actually before Toshio's tweet (which we don't take seriously) a lot of people thought 17 was stronger than Gohan, sorry if you missed the part where Goku himself said he had no intention using ssb against him but he was FORCED to, and sorry if you missed the other part where 17 had an even fight with ssb Goku while holding back, Krillin didn't do any of that so the fact that you compare the fights is illogical, 17 was established as one of the strongest on the team before Toshio even said anything about him being equal to Gohan, i still rank 17 higher than Gohan, personal opinion considering 17 was able to push Goku to ssb and fought longer with ssb than Gohan did.
Oh and 17 wasn't even top 15 ? SO WHAT ?!!! of course he wouldn't be top 15, it's hard being above characters who are constantly shoved in your face, it's already a big accomplishment he was ranked right after Bulma an OG dragon ball character.

Dude you gotta chill its not that serious I know care about your lord and savior 17 but most of us dont even hate the character just indifferent just accept their opinion

[sintzu]

The homie Gowasu is about to get bodied out of existence.

At least we won't have to worry about him creating another Zamasu.

[The gr]

Gowasu better get reaction that goku son,the man who fought against black/zamasu is the reason why his universe and his life is gone

[Jigurashi]

GUYS stop arguing over your favorite characters and focus on whats REALLY IMPORTANT the homie Gowasu is about to get bodied out of existence by the son of the man that saved his life thats foul rip

Well, at least Gohan will apparently feel really bad about it.

Yeah unlike most of the fighters there cough *goku* cough *Vegeta*

Why stop there? 17, Freeza, and hell most characters don't seem to care for the stakes.

[Lionel]

I've been in the fan base for years and i know that i constantly see people mentioning 17 and wanting him to join as a z fighter, there has been even fan pages and blogs dedicated to that not to mention he WAS NEVER FORGOTTEN by fans he was always relevant in Japan with db hero games, merchandise and fanarts, also it's quit OBVIOUS that 17 will do more than most people on the team, he's one of the most promoted and hyped up characters not to mention one of the strongest characters on the team, Toriyama brought him back and gave him an amazing power boost and he obviously has more plans for him what he did on episode 102 was just a warm up, you will see on your own and i'm sure deep down you know it too otherwise you wouldn't have attacked his presence out of everyone who has been shoved on our faces more than he was.

You mean on these forums and on the Internet in general, yes? Because I thought Toei's chief market was the local Japanese populace. I can understand advocates existing in the international fandom, and Toei would be smart to pay at least some heed to their interests, but I'm looking for something that's more local in the country of origin -- maybe some popularity polls or Q&A with local Japanese fans citing their desire for him to return. The closest example I can personally find to a direct acknowledgement of which characters the Japanese populace prefers was taken back during the release of the Kazenban Official Guide in 2004 -- #17 wasn't even in the top fifteen. General merchandise doesn't really suffice as it attempts to market as many characters as possible who happen to be of interest to the fans.

To "Lord Freeza": I said prior to this arc. What you're describing with the two developmental episodes fit squarely in the "Tournament of Power" slot. Goku was involved in the recruitment of most fighters in episodes leading up to the event. #17's general involvement wasn't lost on me, but the exact amount and quality of it was. Did anyone anticipate him being comparable to Gohan prior to Toshio's social media post? Goku's usage of SSJB against Krillin would likely have been grounds for dubiety in judging #17's power, albeit his comment of restricting some of his power differentiates him from Krillin as the stronger fighter between the two of them.

Actually before Toshio's tweet (which we don't take seriously) a lot of people thought 17 was stronger than Gohan, sorry if you missed the part where Goku himself said he had no intention using ssb against him but he was FORCED to, and sorry if you missed the other part where 17 had an even fight with ssb Goku while holding back, Krillin didn't do any of that so the fact that you compare the fights is illogical, 17 was established as one of the strongest on the team before Toshio even said anything about him being equal to Gohan, i still rank 17 higher than Gohan, personal opinion considering 17 was able to push Goku to ssb and fought longer with ssb than Gohan did.
Oh and 17 wasn't even top 15 ? SO WHAT ?!!! of course he wouldn't be top 15, it's hard being above characters who are constantly shoved in your face, it's already a big accomplishment he was ranked right after Bulma an OG dragon ball character.

You mean he neglected to try SSJ2? Frankly, I thought #17's fight against Goku was more comparable to Future Trunks holding himself upright from a bombardment of attacks from SSJB Vegeta before collapsing and even managing to dodge an attack at first, albeit the cyborg performed more admirably. More than that, Krillin was somehow able to temporarily force back Goku's Kamehameha in that state. It makes no sense, but that's what the anime presented.

Some of the names ranked higher in the listing are hardly even shown after their introductory arc like Freeza and Cell (be aware that this poll was taken years before RoF was conceived).

[Michsi]

Well, at least Gohan will apparently feel really bad about it.

Yeah unlike most of the fighters there cough *goku* cough *Vegeta*

Why stop there? 17, Freeza, and hell most characters don't seem to care for the stakes.

I wonder if there's a plan to bring back all the other universes somehow, which would explain why they're all so calm.

[emperior]

Sorry if this was brought up, but according to Herms that timeline is coppied almost exactly from Chouzenshuu 4 with Super slapped on, though it only actually mentions BoG's events.

So are we in AGE 780 or in AGE 781 right now?

[Lapislettuce]

You mean on these forums and on the Internet in general, yes? Because I thought Toei's chief market was the local Japanese populace. I can understand advocates existing in the international fandom, and Toei would be smart to pay at least some heed to their interests, but I'm looking for something that's more local in the country of origin -- maybe some popularity polls or Q&A with local Japanese fans citing their desire for him to return. The closest example I can personally find to a direct acknowledgement of which characters the Japanese populace prefers was taken back during the release of the Kazenban Official Guide in 2004 -- #17 wasn't even in the top fifteen. General merchandise doesn't really suffice as it attempts to market as many characters as possible who happen to be of interest to the fans.

To "Lord Freeza": I said prior to this arc. What you're describing with the two developmental episodes fit squarely in the "Tournament of Power" slot. Goku was involved in the recruitment of most fighters in episodes leading up to the event. #17's general involvement wasn't lost on me, but the exact amount and quality of it was. Did anyone anticipate him being comparable to Gohan prior to Toshio's social media post? Goku's usage of SSJB against Krillin would likely have been grounds for dubiety in judging #17's power, albeit his comment of restricting some of his power differentiates him from Krillin as the stronger fighter between the two of them.

Actually before Toshio's tweet (which we don't take seriously) a lot of people thought 17 was stronger than Gohan, sorry if you missed the part where Goku himself said he had no intention using ssb against him but he was FORCED to, and sorry if you missed the other part where 17 had an even fight with ssb Goku while holding back, Krillin didn't do any of that so the fact that you compare the fights is illogical, 17 was established as one of the strongest on the team before Toshio even said anything about him being equal to Gohan, i still rank 17 higher than Gohan, personal opinion considering 17 was able to push Goku to ssb and fought longer with ssb than Gohan did.
Oh and 17 wasn't even top 15 ? SO WHAT ?!!! of course he wouldn't be top 15, it's hard being above characters who are constantly shoved in your face, it's already a big accomplishment he was ranked right after Bulma an OG dragon ball character.

You mean he neglected to try SSJ2? Frankly, I thought #17's fight against Goku was more comparable to Future Trunks holding himself upright from a bombardment of attacks from SSJB Vegeta before collapsing and even managing to dodge an attack at first, albeit the cyborg performed more admirably. More than that, Krillin was somehow able to temporarily force back Goku's Kamehameha in that state. It makes no sense, but that's what the anime presented.

Some of the names ranked higher in the listing are hardly even shown after their introductory arc like Freeza and Cell (be aware that this poll was taken years before RoF was conceived).

You're the most illogical person i come across in this group, 17 was obviously PUSHING GOKU ! Goku didn't use ssj2 or ssj3 because it would have been USELESS !! why else would he say he didn't intend to go ssb ? and why would 17 have been able to compete with ssb while holding back ? they were dead even,it's your fault for looking at things the way you want it instead of how they were presented. lol

"I thought #17's fight against Goku was more comparable to Future Trunks holding himself upright from a bombardment of attacks from SSJB Vegeta before collapsing and even managing to dodge an attack at first"

[Alruneia]

Sorry if this was brought up, but according to Herms that timeline is coppied almost exactly from Chouzenshuu 4 with Super slapped on, though it only actually mentions BoG's events.

So are we in AGE 780 or in AGE 781 right now?

780, based on the fact that Bulla is one day old and the timeline on the wall uses 780 as her birthyear. (Not happy that they used her and Pan's GT designs when they're talking about their birthyears, but what can you do.)

[emperior]

Sorry if this was brought up, but according to Herms that timeline is coppied almost exactly from Chouzenshuu 4 with Super slapped on, though it only actually mentions BoG's events.

So are we in AGE 780 or in AGE 781 right now?

780, based on the fact that Bulla is one day old and the timeline on the wall uses 780 as her birthyear. (Not happy that they used her and Pan's GT designs when they're talking about their birthyears, but what can you do.)

And why is 781 also there? Does something happen in AGE 781?

[Alruneia]

So are we in AGE 780 or in AGE 781 right now?

780, based on the fact that Bulla is one day old and the timeline on the wall uses 780 as her birthyear. (Not happy that they used her and Pan's GT designs when they're talking about their birthyears, but what can you do.)

And why is 781 also there? Does something happen in AGE 781?

27th World Martial Arts Tournament. Mr. Satan rigs it by using Buu and wins. (This is the same info as in Daizenshuu 7.)

[FortuneSSJ]

This is one of those weeks where I am more interested in the NEP than in the episode itself. Episode 104 can't come fast enough.

[Jigurashi]

This is one of those weeks where I am more interested in the NEP than in the episode itself. Episode 104 can't come fast enough.

I have to agree. I'm pretty excited to see SSG again, and it being involved in a fight with Dyspo and Hitto should be fun.

[Lord Frieza]

To "Lord Freeza": I said prior to this arc. What you're describing with the two developmental episodes fit squarely in the "Tournament of Power" slot. Goku was involved in the recruitment of most fighters in episodes leading up to the event. #17's general involvement wasn't lost on me, but the exact amount and quality of it was. Did anyone anticipate him being comparable to Gohan prior to Toshio's social media post? Goku's usage of SSJB against Krillin would likely have been grounds for dubiety in judging #17's power, albeit his comment of restricting some of his power differentiates him from Krillin as the stronger fighter between the two of them.

A fraction of token screen time? Would it be presumptuous of me to think that this statement applies to most of the remaining competitors on top of U7's characters? If it extends to the rest then this hearkens back to the grievance of the battle royale's consequential fighting almost entirely involving a few members from Universe 6 and 7. We didn't see all sixty fighters attack U7 simultaneously. There have been sporadic encounters, but some of it has been instigated by U7 themselves. I find it hard to believe that this would be the justification for all except two eliminations, as of now, coming from a small handful of fighters in U6/7.

Ok I did a very long reply to this and my computer just dumped the lot.

So the bullet ponts...

Stuff about 17 - hindsight goes off topic a bit and really its not a subject I want to type out again as I've got better points for the second paragraph.

Token Screen Time - I meant it in a way that we get to see all the fighters doing stuff. The billing of time slots is based on power, Goku Vegeta, Frieza, Gohan and #17 are at the top and will get the most solo action, Piccolo and #18 will jump from teaming up with the big boys to the rank and file until they get their final showdowns, The Rank and File of Roshi and Tien will be beaten in their one off episode like Krillin.

Time with other Warriors - to be expected with some many fighters. In-fact the ToP helps this issue, which all the tournaments have, as we are not wasteing X amount of episode watching Goku fight people he should beat with no effert, Here its relegated to just one. I feel this is less of a watse of time in retrospect. We also have more big players rather then the lowly two most tournaments have in the form of Goku Vegeta, Frieza, Gohan, #17, Hit, Caulifla, Kale, Toppo, Dyspo, Jiren and maybe Ribrianne. U9 had already had its time to shin and U10 might as well have had a sign saying "we will fail" so they were lucky to get an episode each.

U7 and U6 being the best and how that ties into the themes of the arc - I few the scoring system for the universes as a representation of Japans over fixation on perfectionism, test scores and how these are what the japanses people are measured by in sociasty rather then their individual worth as a person. U7 and U6 haveing the best fighters is a big middle finger to that ideology, yes they scored low but that dose not make them inferior to the others. Infact these harsher universes have bread more powerful warriors though trial and adversity. Even U9's best seem to outrank the others but they fall short due to their underhanded ways, which may have cost them strong fighters if the Trio's words are taken into account. 3,4 and 10 are overly fixated on a single aspect, brains, brawn and underhandedness, this limits their individual warriors ability due to lack of diversity. U2 and U11 show that the other way can work but is also flawed. The Kamikaze Fireballs (and the rest of U2) are too used to people playing by their rules. U11's heroic nature influences its heroes in both beneficial and negative ways to. They destroy problems for good, work as a team and always do the right thing but this black and white view can only take them so far as it stunts the growth of their lesser warriors. By comparison U7 & 6 flawed way, with their fighters going through hardship and mistakes has forged them into better warriors as they have had to grown and adapted in the face of adversity. Not perfect either but it has given them a greater number of quality fighters.

Thats the basics of how I see it anyway, sorry that took so long.

Edit: I realized I missed out the part about a chaotic battle. Ok so apart from U9 and U11, inspte of what the gods have said, none of them seem to have huge beef with Goku and Co plus they saw what happend to 9. None wants to lose for a fools errand. As for chaos, things vary rarely go that way. While the beginning is chaotic and an element of it still exists, people dont think attack, attack, attack!!! The fighters form strategies, pick out targets, stay away from powerful foes, look for openings and put plans into action. It forms itself into the perverse order of the battlefield.