Dragon Ball Z "Seasons" On Blu-ray: News & Discussion

[Ajay]

His signature contains the 'hope of the universe' speech. He's not the type to care for respect towards the original show. Don't think that makes him a 'troll', just a very different type of fan.

[Kojiro Sasaki]

Well I'm not much of a videophile, Hell I don't even know what the heck DVNR is.

Too me these look great and that's all that matters, wide screen, no grain, bright and vibrant. I've seen the OB's, Dboxes, Level sets and I think these look the best.

Now I know for sure you're flat out trolling. No one who has seen the Level sets would ever say such a thing.

As long as he speaks his own opinion, without calling it a universal truth, I don't think that you have a right to criticize him. Why shouldn't he enjoy what he enjoys?

Ignorance is bliss though, so as long as you're happy with a shoddy release.. hell, some people in the world still can't tell the difference between Lossy and Lossless audio either.

I'm sure that you would not be able to tell the difference between 320kb/s mp3 and raw PCM audio (all 44/16) in a blind test.

[Jon Jon]

I could tell the difference between the two, but that is more based on the audio equipment you use.

With my headphones, lossless audio benefits huge.

Not everyone is a videophile and cares about nitpicking. Some people just want to enjoy the show and universe in the show.

I'll personally say that the dragon boxes are the best.

[Kojiro Sasaki]

I could tell the difference between the two, but that is more based on the audio equipment you use.

With my headphones, lossless audio benefits huge.

Sorry, but I do not believe that human ear is able to tell the difference between these two formats. Definitely not in a blind test.

Not everyone is a videophile and cares about nitpicking. Some people just want to enjoy the show and universe in the show.

I guess that's not about nitpicking. That's just about being yourself. Doing/enjoying things as you like to do/enjoy them.

I'll personally say that the dragon boxes are the best.

Yes, but not for somebody whose main purpose is having this series in a HD format.

[dbboxkaifan]

Sorry, but I do not believe that human ear is able to tell the difference between these two formats. Definitely not in a blind test.

It is able, with the right equipment that is.

You can hear the difference between a 96kb/s MP3 and a 320kb/s MP3 file can't you? Same applies to MP3 Vs. Lossless formats.

[thekingfallsdown]

Sorry, but I do not believe that human ear is able to tell the difference between these two formats. Definitely not in a blind test.

It is able, with the right equipment that is.

You can hear the difference between a 96kb/s MP3 and a 320kb/s MP3 file can't you? Same applies to MP3 Vs. Lossless formats.

You can hear the difference between the bitrates with any decent pair of headphones. Ipod earbuds you won't notice a difference though.... As for FLAC, there really isn't enough noticible difference to warrent them. (When compared to 320Kbps ACC or the equivalent.)

Back on topic, is there anyway a fan could edit the dragonbox footage for widescreen done right? Without years of work? I'm talking for personal use only as to avoid legal confrontations.

[dbboxkaifan]

Considering that FLAC rips are made from CDs the quality stays intact so the difference is noticeable and to tell which is which it'd require to buy some high quality headphones because cheap ass headphones just won't do the job.

I can provide an example of an MP3 320kb/s and a FLAC (7.1) of the same song if anyone would like to have a go at it.

/OT

[thekingfallsdown]

Considering that FLAC rips are made from CDs the quality stays intact so the difference is noticeable and to tell which is which it'd require to buy some high quality headphones because cheap ass headphones just won't do the job.

I can provide an example of an MP3 320kb/s and a FLAC (7.1) of the same song if anyone would like to have a go at it.

/OT

That's what I saw a professional do already. Tasted both with 200$ headphones, no difference. Keep in mind were not talking surround sound, or comparing FLAC to 128kBps music. That's not fair I know FLAC will be better then that. I'm talking a direct CD rip ripped into 44hz 320Kbps ACC audio is not going to sound noticeably different to the same thing ripped in FLAC.

[Ajay]

I'm talking a direct CD rip ripped into 44hz 320Kbps ACC audio is not going to sound noticeably different to the same thing ripped in FLAC.

Exactly. Same way a bloated Blu-ray encode can have its bitrate cut significantly through smart encoding before anyone notices a difference.

[IGhostUlt]

Well obviously we all have different tastes on how we want dbz to look, but I like this look, i like the fact that it fills up my whole screen, has more vibrant colors, no grain, and that it's crystal clear. Disagree if you want, but this is how i feel about these sets. These sets aren't obviously for some of you.

[Gokuden]

Well obviously we all have different tastes on how we want dbz to look, but I like this look, i like the fact that it fills up my whole screen, has more vibrant colors, no grain, and that it's crystal clear. Disagree if you want, but this is how i feel about these sets. These sets aren't obviously for some of you.

You do realize your TV or Blu-ray player can zoom the picture in, right? You can fill your whole screen by selectively deciding the ratios as well. You will not find any image degradation as well. No need for butchering a show like Funi did. *slice* *slice* *slice* *mince* *mince* *mince*

[Vegard Aune]

You can hear the difference between a 96kb/s MP3 and a 320kb/s MP3 file can't you? Same applies to MP3 Vs. Lossless formats.

You know, this reminds me of a discussion I had a while back on IRC about screen-resolutions, where I was arguing that it is easy to tell the difference between 480p and 1080p, slightly less easy but still fairly easy to discern the difference between 480p and 720p, 720p versus 1080p is a bit more of a gray area (case in point: A lot of fans insist on watching recent anime in 1080p. Anime actually animated at that resolution are extremely rare. Like, even most movies are only animated at 720p), and once you go beyond 1080p, you'd have to be watching it on an absolutely humungous screen, while sitting dangerously close to it, to even discern a difference in sharpness.

How does this relate back to the sound-thing? 96kb/s... is basically the audio equivalent of 360p, whereas 320kb/s can, to me at least, be likened to... well a HD-format anyway. You do not have to be all that experienced with different sound-bitrates to tell those two apart. 320kb/s VS lossless however... now you're approaching the territory of 1080p VS 4k on a regular-sized TV-screen. The difference is pretty close to imperceptible because even the "lesser" format is already so detailed.

[dbboxkaifan]

YouTube 360p videos sound like 128kb/s or higher because 96kb/s to me have always given the impression it had the quality of being recorded through a pipe and I'm glad no one uses 96kb/s MP3 any more.

Here's a comparison of 96/320 MP3 vs FLAC - Mega

Even if you don't have the proper equipment it's still noticeable that the lossless format sounds a lot better.

/ot

[TheAldella]

HOW IS THIS FREQUENCY EVEN POSSIBLE. MY HEADSET DOESN'T ALLOW BASS OUTPUT, YET MY ENTIRE DAMN THING IS SHAKING.

[Gdugz]

I just finished the first disc of season 3 overall the quality was quite poor, but for some reason the last episode on the disc looks far better than the others.

[Kojiro Sasaki]

Here's a comparison of 96/320 MP3 vs FLAC - Mega

Even if you don't have the proper equipment it's still noticeable that the lossless format sounds a lot better.

This example cannot be used to compare audio formats. The FLAC file is 8 channel mix (some channels are duplicated, some have different volume, it does not look like typical 7.1 mix) while the mp3 is stereo. Left and Right channels of the FLAC file are louder and it does not give any comparison possibility because our auditory perception always takes the louder one as the better one. Depending on your sound card configuration, the FLAC file can be played even louder if it gets downmixed to stereo.

The source for the lossless and the lossy one always needs to be the same. If you want to make some comparison, you need to take raw PCM audio, compress it to mp3 and compare the mp3 to the PCM source.

How does this relate back to the sound-thing? 96kb/s... is basically the audio equivalent of 360p, whereas 320kb/s can, to me at least, be likened to... well a HD-format anyway. You do not have to be all that experienced with different sound-bitrates to tell those two apart. 320kb/s VS lossless however... now you're approaching the territory of 1080p VS 4k on a regular-sized TV-screen. The difference is pretty close to imperceptible because even the "lesser" format is already so detailed.

I get your point, but you forgot about the most important part. Human's visual perception cannot be directly compared to human's auditory perception. That's completely different thing. Briefly speaking, ears are not as precise as eyes and they are crappy measuring instrument. Things you hear highly depend on your imagination, mood, beliefs and other conditions like that.

Back in the days, when I started my adventure with designing and building amplifiers and speaker sets, I heard everything: Capacitors, resistors, coils, wires and interconnects Why? Because I was reading pseudo-scientific crap on Hi End and audiophile forum boards. I really strongly believed that there needs to be a difference between cheap and expensive parts. Thanks to the fact that I was professionally learning these things at the same time, cool head and real science prevailed and I cured myself from the “audiophile disease” very quickly.

But let's go back to the topic

Well obviously we all have different tastes on how we want dbz to look, but I like this look, i like the fact that it fills up my whole screen, has more vibrant colors, no grain, and that it's crystal clear. Disagree if you want, but this is how i feel about these sets. These sets aren't obviously for some of you.

Nobody expects you to stop liking these sets. You jumped here and called us haters so we explained our point. That's all. Don't worry, we know that these sets aren't for us. It's a shame that we don't have any alternative.

[ss4songoku]

Is it just me or does the first season look better overall? To me he lines seemed more crisp and the colors of the skin tone seem less washed out.

[xmysticgohanx]

This vs orange bricks?

[IGhostUlt]

Well obviously we all have different tastes on how we want dbz to look, but I like this look, i like the fact that it fills up my whole screen, has more vibrant colors, no grain, and that it's crystal clear. Disagree if you want, but this is how i feel about these sets. These sets aren't obviously for some of you.

You do realize your TV or Blu-ray player can zoom the picture in, right? You can fill your whole screen by selectively deciding the ratios as well. You will not find any image degradation as well. No need for butchering a show like Funi did. *slice* *slice* *slice* *mince* *mince* *mince*

You do realize when u zoom into your tv it reduces the quality of the video, which means the pixels are more visable, and even worse it's center cropping just like the orange bricks so don't give me any of that bs

[dbboxkaifan]

You can just zoom in or do a custom cropping if your TV allows such thing but it'll never be as good as a selected crop would be then again even selected croppings aren't flawless. It's still cropped nonetheless.