"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[fadeddreams5]

The tournament has thus far been paced well, the only problem is they don't really show the other universes fighting each other aside from some small scenes here and there. It's almost like everyone is waiting around in turns to go after Universe 7 and nobody else.

The only problem? The pacing has been horrendous and rushed, as though they're trying to get "to the point" as soon as possible, but realized they introduced too many useless characters they don't want to do anything with. It feels like the "fuck, I forgot this is a tournament; let's hurry up so we can do something with Jiren arc".

No rhyme or reason.

[precita]

The only problem? The pacing has been horrendous and rushed,

The pacing isn't horrendous or rushed at all. Even ignoring the fact that the tournament still has 37 minutes left, all the main fights of the ep get plenty of focus. The quick montage/jobber fights obviously nobody cares about. I don't need to see Gohan or Piccolo's fight with the two guys from this episode go on for a whole episode, the fights were short and sweet and that's all they need to be.

as though they're trying to get "to the point" as soon as possible, but realized they introduced too many useless characters they don't want to do anything with. It feels like the "fuck, I forgot this is a tournament; let's hurry up so we can do something with Jiren arc"

As we've said a million times, all the big or hopefully best fights will happen when we get down to 10 or so fighters remaining at the end.

[Zeno's button]

I think Universe 10's erasure was impactful and emotional because Gohan was staring at a locket showing Obni and his family as it got erased. He then seemed to take a moment to collect himself.

There wasn't any need for dialogue at all. Just the sorrowful music along with the look on Gohan's face upon laying his eyes on the locket containing a picture of Onpi's family says it all. It's definitely something Gohan can relate and sympathize with considering he entered the tournament for the sole purpose of protecting not only his universe, but his family as well.

Speaking of which, why did Zeno go through the trouble of focusing on erasing something as minuscule as locket? Are they trying to emphasize how much of a dick Zeno is and how much he's well aware of it instead of the innocent little child god he's supposed to be in the first place?

I wouldn't read too much into it. The locket was part of Universe 10, so it got erased with the rest of it. Zeno probably didn't even notice.

[alakazam^]

When they say that God is a transformation with divine Ki that surpasses SSJ, do they specify SSG or SSB? Or do they talk in general?

Thanks for the clarification

They just mean SSG, no mention of Blue.

They shouldn't have used so many characters. They could've done so much more if each universe just had 3-4 fighters.

We'll get to that point eventually, even if two Universes already got destroyed.

[sintzu]

We'll get to that point eventually, even if two Universes already got destroyed.

That's the problem, we're 2 universes down and we still haven't gotten anything amazing yet and we know nothing about those 2 universes. over half of universe 11 is out and we got nothing from them.

What's the point of introducing these universes and characters if they're not going to do anything with them ?

The only problem? The pacing has been horrendous and rushed, as though they're trying to get "to the point" as soon as possible, but realized they introduced too many useless characters they don't want to do anything with. It feels like the "fuck, I forgot this is a tournament; let's hurry up so we can do something with Jiren arc".

No rhyme or reason.

This torunament is proving more and more that the concept of the universes was to remind Goku of what Roshi told him and Krillin back in the day, "there's always someone stronger out there" and were never meant to be litirally introduced. It makes sense considering Toriyama wrote BOG as a one time story so he probably thought it'd be a good way to conclude DB's overall story.

[alakazam^]

That's the problem, we're 2 universes down and we still haven't gotten anything amazing yet and we know nothing about those 2 universes. over half of universe 11 is out and we got nothing from them.

What's the point of introducing these universes and characters if they're not going to do anything with them ?

We don't know how the arc will end nor if there are plans for the future for them. The story, at the moment, only requires 80 contestants for the tournament.

There's no need for all of them to be relevant.

[sintzu]

There's no need for all of them to be relevant.

Everyone introduced so far in this tournament has been irrelevant fodder.

[Ki Breaker]

I remember Dyspo's introduction fight being a total let down, so I rewached the scene a second time.. It actually wasn't that bad.. He was clearly complemented on his speed and called the sonic warrior..
It was also made to be a point that the monster can't be defeated with speed alone..
Toppo who stood up to Goku, wasn't able to kill the monster alone either, all three of them had to attack.. Dyspo actually got the most hits in, cut his tentacles, was fighting him since the beginning behind the scenes and a solid kick in after Toppo flashed him..

[alakazam^]

Everyone introduced so far in this tournament has been irrelevant fodder.

If they are, how come Ribriand is still in? Why is Kale in? Cauliflo? Magetta? Cabba? Su?

[sintzu]

If they are, how come Ribriand is still in? Why is Kale in? Cauliflo? Magetta? Cabba? Su?

Who are these characters ? what do we know about them ? they're not fodder for just being weak but because we know nothing about them and they're just there to get Super's episode count up.

[alakazam^]

They are contestants from other Universes, they have fought and managed to not get ringed out. What else do you want to know? Their love interest? Their life story? What do you know about #17 and #18 before being taken by Gero? How old is Freeza? Why does Tenshinhan have a third eye?

They are there to represent their Universe, that's it.

Aren't you projecting your wants and needs instead of letting the story tell itself?

[sintzu]

What do you know about #17 and #18 before being taken by Gero? How old is Freeza? Why does Tenshinhan have a third eye?

Aren't you projecting your wants and needs instead of letting the story tell itself?

I don't know any of that but those 4 are very well developed characters, something no one can say about what we've gotten so far. can you honestly name the characters who've gotten knocked out so far without checking a list ?

I did and now 2 universes are out and both had nothing interesting to offer. I don't evenr emember anything from those 2 apart form the 3 wolves and that's only because they were introduced before the torunament.

[alakazam^]

What development does #18 have? She was modified, hates Gero, is petty and married Kuririn. I can name a few but not everyone since they're over 30, I still struggle a bit to know which Universe is which.

Yes, because they won't return, ever. C'mon.

[sintzu]

What development does #18 have? She was modified, hates Gero, is petty and married Kuririn.

I can name a few but not everyone since they're over 30, I still struggle a bit to know which Universe is which.

And memorable and had memorable fights.

That wouldn't have been a problem if we got less, more focused characters.

[alakazam^]

That seems more like changing the goalposts to me... She showed she was stronger than a Super Saiyajin, that's it...

It's not a problem at all, everyone memorizes things differently, especially 80+ characters. I'll bet some people still don't know which wolf is which.

[Vegeta-Sama]

Gokus foolin around and overconfiedence is kinda foreshadowing he wont be the Last Man Standing.

I am kinda sick of it he needs to be involved in everything in this Arc.

EP 103:

No Vegeta
No Frieza
No Jiren

But we clearly need Goku in every ToP Episode and doesnt give a shit and his priority his only fighting Jiren.

[precita]

If they are, how come Ribriand is still in? Why is Kale in? Cauliflo? Magetta? Cabba? Su?

Who are these characters ? what do we know about them ? they're not fodder for just being weak but because we know nothing about them and they're just there to get Super's episode count up.

We're learning all about the "important" fighters. You can clearly tell characters like Caulifa, Kale, Toppo, Brianne are not being immediately knocked out and survive in the tournament to later.

Of course most of the other 70 fighters are just going to be for quick fights or fodder, that's all they are. I literally don't know what some people expected here.

[Master Xar]

If they are, how come Ribriand is still in? Why is Kale in? Cauliflo? Magetta? Cabba? Su?

Who are these characters ? what do we know about them ? they're not fodder for just being weak but because we know nothing about them and they're just there to get Super's episode count up.

We're learning all about the "important" fighters. You can clearly tell characters like Caulifa, Kale, Toppo, Brianne are not being immediately knocked out and survive in the tournament to later.

Of course most of the other 70 fighters are just going to be for quick fights or fodder, that's all they are. I literally don't know what some people expected here.

No no let me translate Sintzu...

"All 80 characters must have Super important backstories and major character inspirations everyone needs a flashback and everything needs to be super morally gray and dark, cuz realism, "relatability", and "deep pretentious writing", the arc needs to have 100% on point animation and choreography, this arc needs to be 120+ episodes long and pretty much Dressrosa 2.0 (One Piece) and make people think that all their backstory and fleshing out "pointless" when they get ringed out and be completely upset thinking it was poorly paced and a waste of time..."

Honestly... people want one thing while wanting the other, you can't please everyone so they are choosing the straightforward approach and not trying to make the tournament "deep and dark" from start to finish, it's being modest and not trying act like it's more complex than it actual is, because at the end of the day this is Dragonball, not fucking Shakespeare.

The Gohan Moment at the end of the episode had one thing that everyone under appreciated... subtly. People honestly want this super-melodramatic breakdown from Gohan crying "WHAT HAVE I DONE WHAT HAVE I DONE" (and proceed to call Gohan a whiny bitch...) or be a raging idiot and yelling "ZENO YOU WONT GET AWAY WITH THIS" and rushing at him... which would lead to him getting erased on the spot (and the fandom whining about how stupid Gohan is being)

[sintzu]

Of course most of the other 70 fighters are just going to be for quick fights or fodder, that's all they are. I literally don't know what some people expected here.

Then why bother with them at all ? why not limit the number of fighters to give each one a better focus ?

"All 80 characters must have Super important backstories and major character inspirations everyone needs a flashback and everything needs to be super morally gray and dark, cuz realism, "relatability", and "deep pretentious writing", the arc needs to have 100% on point animation and choreography, this arc needs to be 120+ episodes long and pretty much Dressrosa 2.0 (One Piece) and make people think that all their backstory and fleshing out "pointless" when they get ringed out and be completely upset thinking it was poorly paced and a waste of time..."

Sorry for having standards and high expectations for my favorite franchise.

[Lord Frieza]

"All 80 characters must have Super important backstories and major character inspirations everyone needs a flashback and everything needs to be super morally gray and dark, cuz realism, "relatability", and "deep pretentious writing", the arc needs to have 100% on point animation and choreography, this arc needs to be 120+ episodes long and pretty much Dressrosa 2.0 (One Piece) and make people think that all their backstory and fleshing out "pointless" when they get ringed out and be completely upset thinking it was poorly paced and a waste of time..."

Sorry for having standards and high expectations for my favorite franchise.

Even when those standers cannot be applied to the original series? Seriously, if thats the stick you measure by the literally every series of Dragon Ball, Z, GT and Super ALL FAIL.

Dragon Ball's entire style from a completely different era of Anime/Manga and you want it be like like the modern shonen, i.e. something its not? How thick are those roast tinted glasses?

I'm not even saying you should like Super here, dislike it all you want but you demanding stuff even the original you hold as a gold standered didn't have.