Dragon Ball Z "Seasons" On Blu-ray: News & Discussion

[ABED]

Well obviously we all have different tastes on how we want dbz to look, but I like this look, i like the fact that it fills up my whole screen, has more vibrant colors, no grain, and that it's crystal clear. Disagree if you want, but this is how i feel about these sets. These sets aren't obviously for some of you.

You do realize your TV or Blu-ray player can zoom the picture in, right? You can fill your whole screen by selectively deciding the ratios as well. You will not find any image degradation as well. No need for butchering a show like Funi did. *slice* *slice* *slice* *mince* *mince* *mince*

You do realize when u zoom into your tv it reduces the quality of the video, which means the pixels are more visable, and even worse it's center cropping just like the orange bricks so don't give me any of that bs

So because you want stuff to fit your entire TV, you're willing to sacrifice the composition of the picture? What about the rest of us? Why do you care so much for fitting your screen? You won't even notice the black bars, but we'll notice the heads cropped off.

[Gaffer Tape]

You do realize when u zoom into your tv it reduces the quality of the video, which means the pixels are more visable, and even worse it's center cropping just like the orange bricks so don't give me any of that bs

Yeah, I have to agree with ABED. Because you're intent on having less picture, those of us who actually like the show for what it is have to suffer for your benefit? Sorry, but that's a tough sell. And even sorrier, but when you prefer losing 20% of the picture and having the detail in the image scrubbed away, it's rather difficult to take you seriously when you complain about image quality.

[Hellspawn28]

The Blu-Ray sets look better, but that's not saying much. If you want a good DB home release then you better start saving up for those DB boxes.

[IGhostUlt]

What? Saying we wont notice the black bars is just like saying we wont notice the cropping(Which i do most of the time). They both have their trade-offs anyway, but i prefer the cropping because it's not as drastic as you guys claim it to be.

[ABED]

What? Saying we wont notice the black bars is just like saying we wont notice the cropping(Which i do most of the time). They both have their trade-offs anyway, but i prefer the cropping because it's not as drastic as you guys claim it to be.

I don't notice them anymore than I notice the outline of the TV. If you are wrapped up in the show, the aspect ratio shouldn't matter as long as it's proper. There might be tradeoffs, but one clearly has more upside. Even if the cropping isn't as drastic, the black bars aren't as much of a problem as you claim. I assume you are old enough to remember when TV's weren't widescreen.

[dbboxkaifan]

What? Saying we wont notice the black bars is just like saying we wont notice the cropping(Which i do most of the time). They both have their trade-offs anyway, but i prefer the cropping because it's not as drastic as you guys claim it to be.

Just today I was watching a random episode (#071) of Dragon Ball which I tried stretching the picture and it didn't look good, neither did cropping so I just went back to the original 4x3 AR with the black bars. I've gotta say that I don't really notice the black bars any more, it's as if they're not there.

Seriously if FUNimation or Toei Animation ever release Dragon Ball in 16x9 AR they'd regret doing so as the backlash would be enormous and probably end up cancelling it anyway (there's that Tom & Jerry Vol. 2 on BD got cancelled because customers complained about the missing episodes).

If customers complain and don't buy then it gets the message across.

[IGhostUlt]

What? Saying we wont notice the black bars is just like saying we wont notice the cropping(Which i do most of the time). They both have their trade-offs anyway, but i prefer the cropping because it's not as drastic as you guys claim it to be.

I don't notice them anymore than I notice the outline of the TV. If you are wrapped up in the show, the aspect ratio shouldn't matter as long as it's proper. There might be tradeoffs, but one clearly has more upside. Even if the cropping isn't as drastic, the black bars aren't as much of a problem as you claim. I assume you are old enough to remember when TV's weren't widescreen.

Yes of course, I just got rid of my box TV about 2 years ago, but anyways I've watched this show plenty of times. Now I want to watch it in today's standards which is in 16:9 1080p. I know sometimes I gotta deal with other media being in 4:3 and I'm not bothered by that. I see this set as a privilege that other 4:3 shows couldn't have and I'm grateful for it.

[ABED]

What? Saying we wont notice the black bars is just like saying we wont notice the cropping(Which i do most of the time). They both have their trade-offs anyway, but i prefer the cropping because it's not as drastic as you guys claim it to be.

I don't notice them anymore than I notice the outline of the TV. If you are wrapped up in the show, the aspect ratio shouldn't matter as long as it's proper. There might be tradeoffs, but one clearly has more upside. Even if the cropping isn't as drastic, the black bars aren't as much of a problem as you claim. I assume you are old enough to remember when TV's weren't widescreen.

Yes of course, I just got rid of my box TV about 2 years ago, but anyways I've watched this show plenty of times. Now I want to watch it in today's standards which is in 16:9 1080p. I know sometimes I gotta deal with other media being in 4:3 and I'm not bothered by that. I see this set as a privilege that other 4:3 shows couldn't have and I'm grateful for it.

Except that's trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. Why does the mere idea of modern make something better? I understand picture quality, but aspect ratio changes the nature of the product.

Any shmuck can crop a picture, there's no privilege to be had here.

[samuraix123]

What? Saying we wont notice the black bars is just like saying we wont notice the cropping(Which i do most of the time). They both have their trade-offs anyway, but i prefer the cropping because it's not as drastic as you guys claim it to be.

I don't notice them anymore than I notice the outline of the TV. If you are wrapped up in the show, the aspect ratio shouldn't matter as long as it's proper. There might be tradeoffs, but one clearly has more upside. Even if the cropping isn't as drastic, the black bars aren't as much of a problem as you claim. I assume you are old enough to remember when TV's weren't widescreen.

Yes of course, I just got rid of my box TV about 2 years ago, but anyways I've watched this show plenty of times. Now I want to watch it in today's standards which is in 16:9 1080p. I know sometimes I gotta deal with other media being in 4:3 and I'm not bothered by that. I see this set as a privilege that other 4:3 shows couldn't have and I'm grateful for it.

Don't take offense to this because I'm not trying to make it offensive. but you remind me of my brother. he hates 4x3 on his HD television. it drives him nuts haha

[JEFFMAN219]

What? Saying we wont notice the black bars is just like saying we wont notice the cropping(Which i do most of the time). They both have their trade-offs anyway, but i prefer the cropping because it's not as drastic as you guys claim it to be.

Why do you hate black bars so much? Its not like you are losing footage because of it.

[Gokuden]

UTGhostlm,

Go out and buy a super cheap LED RGB projector, connect your Blu-ray player (set to 4:3) to it via VGA, or your pc to it via VGA, not HDMI (brings random artifacts, and picture isn't as smooth for old media), and play your Dragon Ball DVDs in full 4:3 Glory, as they were intended to be.

No loss, and you can use that cheap LED projector to watch all your other anime shows that are 4:3, you can even modify it to have higher lumens.

Funimation should have gone the Ranma 1/2 Waner Bros way with DragonBall x-xx remastering. Look at the amazing Blu-ray Ranma release.
They not only give you 4:3, but because of Blu-ray, they give you the WHOLE frame, unlike Toei, and Funi. Check it out!

If you prefer tvs, there are LCD 4:3 TFT TVs manufactured out there, look them up.

http://french.alibaba.com/trade/search? ... +lcd+4%3A3

[MarcFBR]

Funimation should have gone the Ranma 1/2 Waner Bros way with DragonBall x-xx remastering. Look at the amazing Blu-ray Ranma release.
They not only give you 4:3, but because of Blu-ray, they give you the WHOLE frame, unlike Toei, and Funi. Check it out!

There is so much wrong with this I don't even know where to start... but here I go anyways (and I'll just stick to Ranma and Funimation... the rest of your post has so much bad information I just don't have the time to explain the problems there.)

Warner distros VIz's disks for them, they had nothing to do with the remastering.

And neither did Viz frankly.

It's quite easy to put out good disks when you are handed very nice masters and don't really have to do much (Funimation's release of Yu Yu Hakusho for example.)

It's entirely different when you are handed crap and have to do everything from scratch yourself (moreso when you have the potential to sell it to a mass audience. Nearly any anime company is quite happy to make changes when that potential exists.)

...although I have no idea what you are talking about with getting the 'whole' frame because of Blu-ray. The Ranma BDs crop out erroneous information from the filmstock as any proper film scan should, and that in and of itself has nothing to do with Blu-ray.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

No need to insult the IGhost (Not Marc). Not over this.

I mean, he's wrong about 16:9 being the blu-ray standard for 4:3-produced media (it isn't- heck, the Star Trek Blu-Ray producers had to put out their own explanation that shoots down the entire concept in 90 seconds; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQtWeor58rU), but he's not some member of the unwashed masses to be learned if he understands the material being altered.

[Vegard Aune]

You do realize when u zoom into your tv it reduces the quality of the video, which means the pixels are more visable...

So I take it you've got a 1080p TV then. And that said TV is either really, really, really big, or you're sitting really close to it while watching it. Because unless at least two out of those three factors are met, there would basically be no perceived difference in quality whatsoever. Oh, and out of curiousity, have you ever tried watching any modern, digitally animated HD anime on BluRay? Because those are for the most part upscaled 720p footage. Do you ever actively notice this? If the answer to that question is no (which I'm going to assume it is) I also seriously doubt you'd be actively bothered by watching a zoomed in 4:3 BluRay, quality-wise.

and even worse it's center cropping just like the orange bricks so don't give me any of that bs

Well yes, selective cropping > center cropping. But it's literally a "lesser of two evils" approach. Regardless of how you approach it, you are inevitably losing some of the image the animators intended for you to see. Even with selective cropping there will be times where the 16:9 image simply will not look right.

[Attitudefan]

No need to insult the IGhost (Not Marc). Not over this.

I mean, he's wrong about 16:9 being the blu-ray standard for 4:3-produced media (it isn't- heck, the Star Trek Blu-Ray producers had to put out their own explanation that shoots down the entire concept in 90 seconds; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQtWeor58rU), but he's not some member of the unwashed masses to be learned if he understands the material being altered.

"Zooming it in is recomposing the shot, it's re imagining a composition of that shot which takes away from what the director originally intended." Rough quote, not exact, but basically this is what he meant. Seriously, when recomposing a shot, you take away the art that went into a particular frame, the emotion, the feeling. I really think recomposing is just as bad as music replacement scores and such. It should be a practice that should not be used anymore in any medium of arts and entertainment.

[sumpter360]

Seriously, when recomposing a shot, you take away the art that went into a particular frame, the emotion, the feeling. I really think recomposing is just as bad as music replacement scores and such. It should be a practised that should not be used anymore in any medium of arts and entertainment.

It's like I like to say. You wouldn't chop up the Mona Lisa just to fit it into a differently shaped frame, would you? That's how I feel about cropping... Or stretching, for that matter. Just leave the aspect ratio alone.

[dbboxkaifan]

It's like I like to say. You wouldn't chop up the Mona Lisa just to fit it into a differently shaped frame, would you? That's how I feel about cropping... Or stretching, for that matter. Just leave the aspect ratio alone.

Exactly the case with Dragon Ball Z Orange Bricks / Season BDs.

One could argue that on the screen below (from Dragon Ball) you're not losing much of important footage but isn't it better to see how it was originally intended than a chopped off version?

Cropped


Original


I just did this for the fun of it on Paint.net and even with selective cropping you'll still lose details that have been deleted from the screen.

[Hellspawn28]

Makes me wish Sentai Film Works and Media Blasters had the rights to Dragon Ball since they seem to do a better job on their anime blu-rays from what I've seen.

[UpFromTheSkies]

They should have released it in full screen, blu-ray players can crop 4:3 to 16:9 for people who insist on having no black bars.

[UltimateHammerBro]

An idea just popped in my head. Is it possible, with modern tech, to make the 4:3 and 16:9 versions switchable?

I'll try to explain it better. Imagine that the master is so high quality that quality isn't lost when zoomed in. Just like some DVDs and Blu-Rays contain alternate angles (which basically means having the video stream twice, I checked that with the Ultimate Uncut Sets), could a Blu-Ray have two angles, one with the 4:3 version and the other one automatically doing selective cropping? That way, everyone'd be happy.