"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Simere]

That doesn't answer my question, though. Did Whis say that before or after knowing four Universes were exempt?

He said it after I believe. This was at the end of the 40 hour recruiting period when he said it. They found out about the exempt universes at the exhibition match.

Just to confirm, Whis said that line when Goku asked if they could easily win the tournament to justify recruiting Freeza. In context, Whis says he doesn't know much about the competitors of the universes that they were up against, but he does know that there was a mortal that couldn't be defeated by his God of destruction.

In other words it's Jiren.

He said he doesn't know much about other universes period; he didn't specify about competing universes. I bring back my reading comprehension test for those who think his words implied anything one way or the other:

[spoiler]Answer the following using only information provided by the context of each exchange:

Rolf: Found this cat perched on porch; took it in and fed it. Know if it belongs to anybody?
Liesl: I don't, but there was a lost cat poster up in the mail room.

A) The cat is the one in the poster
B) The cat is not the one in the poster
C) The cat could or could not be the one in the poster

Jack: Look at this.
John: Wow...
Jack: Found it this morning. Don't know it's toxic or not. Do you?
John: I don't really know much about it, but I've heard types of black mold can be toxic.

A) The mold is toxic
B) The mold is not toxic
C) The mold could or could not be toxic

Goku: Do you think our Universe 7 is sure to easily win?
Whis: Who knows? I don't know that much about the other universes. However, there is a universe where lives a mortal even a God of Destruction can't defeat.

A) The mortal is at the tournament
B) The mortal isn't at the tournament
C) The mortal could or could not be at the tournament

Arthur: We've been selected as one of the twelve state attendees for the national invitational.
Framm: What's the competition going to be like, coach?
Arthur: I couldn't really say. Up till now our focus has been entirely intramural; I don't know much about the other states, although I do know one gave a college team a run for their money.

A) The competition will be stiff
B) The competition will be easy
C) The level of the competition is unknown[/spoiler]

[HeroR]

So as many know I'm NOT a fan of Gohan. However I did like this last episode. They kept Gohan at a really believable level of power and skill, fight was well enough choreographed, the locket wasnt as cheese as I thought it would be either.

I agree the locket scene was handled well, it wasn't hammy and Gohan's facial expression was all that was needed.

As someone who actually do like Gohan, yeah I know some are shocked by this, I didn't care for his fights.

I expected Gohan to handle Botamo in a more clever way than punching him off the ground, Botamo should have been able to absorbed Gohan's Kamehameha since he absorbed Goku's Kamehameha in the Champa Saga, and I hated that he beat the U10 fighter by tanking and wearing him down despite his unique technique since it goes to my annoyance that Gohan overly relies on being stronger than his opponent to win. I also think it was a copout that Goku told Gohan ahead of time about Botamo instead of Gohan figuring all out himself.

Overall, Gohan's best fight is still against he poison wolf.

[JazzMazz]

He said it after I believe. This was at the end of the 40 hour recruiting period when he said it. They found out about the exempt universes at the exhibition match.

Just to confirm, Whis said that line when Goku asked if they could easily win the tournament to justify recruiting Freeza. In context, Whis says he doesn't know much about the competitors of the universes that they were up against, but he does know that there was a mortal that couldn't be defeated by his God of destruction.

In other words it's Jiren.

He said he doesn't know much about other universes period; he didn't specify about competing universes. I bring my back reading comprehension test for those who think his words implied anything one way or the other:

[spoiler]Answer the following using only information provided by the context of each exchange:

Rolf: Found this cat perched on porch; took it in and fed it. Know if it belongs to anybody?
Liesl: I don't, but there was a lost cat poster up in the mail room.

A) The cat is the one in the poster
B) The cat is not the one in the poster
C) The cat could or could not be the one in the poster

Jack: Look at this.
John: Wow...
Jack: Found it this morning. Don't know it's toxic or not. Do you?
John: I don't really know much about it, but I've heard types of black mold can be toxic.

A) The mold is toxic
B) The mold is not toxic
C) The mold could or could not be toxic

Goku: Do you think our Universe 7 is sure to easily win?
Whis: Who knows? I don't know that much about the other universes. However, there is a universe where lives a mortal even a God of Destruction can't defeat.

A) The mortal is at the tournament
B) The mortal isn't at the tournament
C) The mortal could or could not be at the tournament

Arthur: We've been selected as one of the twelve state attendees for the national invitational.
Framm: What's the competition going to be like, coach?
Arthur: I couldn't really say. Up till now our focus has been entirely intramural; I don't know much about the other states, although I do know one gave a college team a run for their money.

A) The competition will be stiff
B) The competition will be easy
C) The level of the competition is unknown[/spoiler]

The obvious answer is C, but you can also take it that Whis is referring to the universes that are participating in the tournament, and that generally confuses the comprehension. I'm still certain it's going to be Jiren. Super isn't exactly subtle in foreshadowing and him taking out Kale in single blast is pretty good indicator.

[HeroR]

Whis was directly referring to the universes they were going to be up against. In context, he was saying that someone from one of the competing universes is stronger than their God of Destruction. It doesn't take rocket science to figure out who it is from there.

Copying and pasting my response in the other page:

All Whis said that somewhere in the multiverse there was a mortal that a God of Destruction couldn't beat. He also said this after he admitted not knowing much about the other universes. So this mortal may or may not be part of the tournament, although I have some doubts that they are since Beerus knows the god who beat him in arm wrestling and thinks Goku can beat everyone at the tournament if he stops dropping his guard. I think Beerus would be more worried if the god who beat him in arm wrestling was in the tournament since the mortal that a God of Destruction can't destroy would be there and Goku isn't as strong as a God of Destruction.

[Simere]

The obvious answer is C, but I'm certain it's going to be Jiren. Super isn't exactly subtle in foreshadowing and him taking out Kale in single blast is pretty good indicator.

I really want it to be Jiren which is why I'm not getting my hopes up.

[Kanassa]

Whis was directly referring to the universes they were going to be up against. In context, he was saying that someone from one of the competing universes is stronger than their God of Destruction. It doesn't take rocket science to figure out who it is from there.

Copying and pasting my response in the other page:

All Whis said that somewhere in the multiverse there was a mortal that a God of Destruction couldn't beat. He also said this after he admitted not knowing much about the other universes. So this mortal may or may not be part of the tournament, although I have some doubts that they are since Beerus knows the god who beat him in arm wrestling and thinks Goku can beat everyone at the tournament if he stops dropping his guard. I think Beerus would be more worried if the god who beat him in arm wrestling was in the tournament since the mortal that a God of Destruction can't destroy would be there and Goku isn't as strong as a God of Destruction.

Really, let's look at this from an out-of-universe perspective of how TOEI writer's have usually written. If this mortal was Jiren, wouldn't they have just had him say it's Jiren?

[Loputousu]

Goku: Do you think our Universe 7 is sure to easily win?
Whis: Who knows? I don't know that much about the other universes. However, there is a universe where lives a mortal even a God of Destruction can't defeat.

A) The mortal is at the tournament
B) The mortal isn't at the tournament
C) The mortal could or could not be at the tournament

Strictly logically speaking, you are right. However, Whis's statement would be misleading and irrelevant if this mortal was not in the tourney. It would violate the maxim of relevance of conversations. Then again, Whis could have been purposefully misleading.

[pacz360]

If you think Cabba is useful then maybe your expectations are low enough to be met.

The guy one shotted two fighters which one of them was the strongest of his verse in base
How the fuck isn't he useful

[darzap]

Strictly logically speaking, you are right. However, Whis's statement would be misleading and irrelevant if this mortal was not in the tourney. It would violate the maxim of relevance of conversations. Then again, Whis could have been purposefully misleading.

Not necessarily. The fact that such mortals exist is still an indicator for the kind of strength that could exist in other universes. Whis doesn't necessarily know or remember to which universe that mysterious mortal belongs. If he knows nothing about the participating universes, the fact that there is such a mortal in a non-participating universe can still be an example to illustrate that such feats are possible in other universes in general.

We shall see, whether it will be relevant or not. Dragonball does have loose threads and this could be something that the writers just inserted to set a certain mood in that scene and that won't ever result in anything, because they decide to go in a different direction. Also, the tournament might be disrupted at some point and it can become relevant during the disruption.

[SansrivaaL]

I'm more into the mortal Whis was talking about being Jiren, but lately I've felt like its someone in U4 that they're still hiding, I mean it was someone who arm wrestled with Beerus... yes it could be clown dude, but it being rat GoD instead would make sense, rat GoD's pretty hostile towards Beerus, and surprisingly Beerus didnt even bother retaliating after rat GoD was dissin him.

[Legion]

If is the rat God, it's mean that Jiren is not the strongest fighter in this tournament. The mortal stronger than the Gods is someone in top 4 universes, in my opinion.

[hardcorefakes]

Goku: Do you think our Universe 7 is sure to easily win?
Whis: Who knows? I don't know that much about the other universes. However, there is a universe where lives a mortal even a God of Destruction can't defeat.

A) The mortal is at the tournament
B) The mortal isn't at the tournament
C) The mortal could or could not be at the tournament

Strictly logically speaking, you are right. However, Whis's statement would be misleading and irrelevant if this mortal was not in the tourney. It would violate the maxim of relevance of conversations. Then again, Whis could have been purposefully misleading.

Whis and Beerus know the God of Destruction that is supposedly "stronger" than Beerus.

If this mortal's universe was fighting in the tournament, not only would they point out said universe, but Beerus would definitely despair because he'd realize that U7 doesn't even have a remote chance to win with that being fighting.

Goku, Vegeta, and Frieza are currently nowhere near strong enough to take on Beerus right now. Even if they all came at him. Just a tiny sphere of Destruction Energy trapped Goku, and even Frieza was visibly strained when he freed himself. Beerus just blew it away like nothing.

If it's Jiren, then it wouldn't make too much sense for any of the fighters to challenge him in any meaningful way. Not even Goku, Vegeta, or Frieza. And, again, Beerus would point out this universe. And would probably say his farewells too. I doubt Jiren transcends a God of Destruction, and we haven't been given any indication that he's stronger than Belmod so far either.

Which is why this line is probably just foreshadowing some future opponent. Probably someone from the exempt universes.

[perucho1990]

Quitela was seeing smiling in the last minute of episode 103, so far from Team U4 we have seen people that were mid tiers(Mayora and Shouza), and someone that forced Goku use Blue(Nink).

Beerus not replying to Quitela might, and I mean might imply he is weaker than Quitela(Tom and Jerry style heh).

Goku vs Jiren might happen sooner than expected once Kunshee and Dyspo are eliminated in the next episode.

[Low Tone G]

If is the rat God, it's mean that Jiren is not the strongest fighter in this tournament. The mortal stronger than the Gods is someone in top 4 universes, in my opinion.

I still think it's Jiren... Why would they hype him, if one another really mysterious fighter will give Goku the heaviest trouble?
I can agree with those, who speculate about the other 4 universes to hide that mortal, but I don't think they would plan that forward as of now.

[perucho1990]

I still think it's Jiren... Why would they hype him, if one another really mysterious fighter will give Goku the heaviest trouble?
I can agree with those, who speculate about the other 4 universes to contain that mortal, but I don't think they would plan that forward as of now.

It would kinda be like the Cell Saga when the Android were implied to be the strong foes but it was Cell at the end.

[GodKaio-Ken]

Just to confirm, Whis said that line when Goku asked if they could easily win the tournament to justify recruiting Freeza. In context, Whis says he doesn't know much about the competitors of the universes that they were up against, but he does know that there was a mortal that couldn't be defeated by his God of destruction.

In other words it's Jiren.

It may be but it doesnt mean that. He could also just mean he knows of one universe out there, competing or not, so nothing can be certain.

Whis was directly referring to the universes they were going to be up against. In context, he was saying that someone from one of the competing universes is stronger than their God of Destruction. It doesn't take rocket science to figure out who it is from there.

Its contextually possible he wasnt speaking about someone in the T.o.P. Before I explain why, Ill flat out state it probably is Jiren.

Anyway...his statement may have just been to reflect uncertainty. While that mortal may or may not be competing, he may have just been implying that because a warrior like that exists and he doesnt know if there may be other mortals like that competing he cant be sure.

In other words, with how specific he was about the mortal, had it been Jiren it would have made more sense for Beerus or Whis to state the universe involved.

Now as I said...I do think they probably meant Jiren, but at the same time it was poorly presented if so.

[HeroR]

I still think it's Jiren... Why would they hype him, if one another really mysterious fighter will give Goku the heaviest trouble?
I can agree with those, who speculate about the other 4 universes to contain that mortal, but I don't think they would plan that forward as of now.

It would kinda be like the Cell Saga when the Android were implied to be the strong foes but it was Cell at the end.

Cell also came out of nowhere with no foreshadow.

[Hugo Boss]

Is there any recent official announcement about this mortal who is stronger than Beerus that I'm missing?

[Simere]

Is there any recent official announcement about this mortal who is stronger than Beerus that I'm missing?

No, just having the same conversation again.

[GodKaio-Ken]

Just to confirm, Whis said that line when Goku asked if they could easily win the tournament to justify recruiting Freeza. In context, Whis says he doesn't know much about the competitors of the universes that they were up against, but he does know that there was a mortal that couldn't be defeated by his God of destruction.

In other words it's Jiren.

He said he doesn't know much about other universes period; he didn't specify about competing universes. I bring my back reading comprehension test for those who think his words implied anything one way or the other:

[spoiler]Answer the following using only information provided by the context of each exchange:

Rolf: Found this cat perched on porch; took it in and fed it. Know if it belongs to anybody?
Liesl: I don't, but there was a lost cat poster up in the mail room.

A) The cat is the one in the poster
B) The cat is not the one in the poster
C) The cat could or could not be the one in the poster

Jack: Look at this.
John: Wow...
Jack: Found it this morning. Don't know it's toxic or not. Do you?
John: I don't really know much about it, but I've heard types of black mold can be toxic.

A) The mold is toxic
B) The mold is not toxic
C) The mold could or could not be toxic

Goku: Do you think our Universe 7 is sure to easily win?
Whis: Who knows? I don't know that much about the other universes. However, there is a universe where lives a mortal even a God of Destruction can't defeat.

A) The mortal is at the tournament
B) The mortal isn't at the tournament
C) The mortal could or could not be at the tournament

Arthur: We've been selected as one of the twelve state attendees for the national invitational.
Framm: What's the competition going to be like, coach?
Arthur: I couldn't really say. Up till now our focus has been entirely intramural; I don't know much about the other states, although I do know one gave a college team a run for their money.

A) The competition will be stiff
B) The competition will be easy
C) The level of the competition is unknown[/spoiler]

The obvious answer is C, but you can also take it that Whis is referring to the universes that are participating in the tournament, and that generally confuses the comprehension. I'm still certain it's going to be Jiren. Super isn't exactly subtle in foreshadowing and him taking out Kale in single blast is pretty good indicator.

Like I said...probably Jiren yes. They just left it open enough for debate. At the very least youd think Beerus would show more concern.