"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[shadowmaria]

There isn't. People have just assumed

Are you sure?

Also, before anyone says anything, no; Xenoverse titles are not official sources. They are video games, not an official guidebook or Toei/Toriyama/Toyotaro

We are well aware that Xenoverse are video-games which is exactly what makes them official sources.

Xenoverse games are just interpretations made by video game developers. By the exact same way of thinking, the Future Trunks Saga took place a year before the Champa Saga did. Can't have one without the other

And my understanding of the other two links are that those were for Battle of Gods, not Dragon Ball Super, which is established as taking place "some time later", not "four or five years later". Happy to eat my words if I'm mistaken.

[Grimlock]

Xenoverse games are just interpretations made by video game developers.

Yes (or not exactly, it's possible that they make interpretations based on something given by Toei or they can have access to information before using it). Which is exactly why their interpretations are taken into account. They're not some random people on Internet spilling out random words, they are official developers doing official stuff.

By the exact same way of thinking, the Future Trunks Saga took place a year before the Champa Saga did.

No. Both Universe 6 saga and Future Trunks saga take place in AGE 779. The future portion of the latter saga is said to take place in AGE 796. 796 - 17 = 779. Therefore, Future Trunks saga takes place shortly after Universe 6 saga, not "one year before" as you put it.

And my understanding of the other two links are that those were for Battle of Gods, not Dragon Ball Super, which is established as taking place "some time later", not "four or five years later". Happy to eat my words if I'm mistaken.

Yes. All the sources I linked refer to Movie 14, because that was what asked before. As for Dragon Ball Super, all the information we have out-universe is this. It says Toei's retellings take place six months after Majin Buu saga. But I've heard some dubs clearly states "years has passed". Japanese version says "some time after that" ("that" is referring to Shenlong wish made six months after Majin Buu saga).

[shadowmaria]

Yes. All the sources I linked refer to Movie 14, because that was what asked before. As for Dragon Ball Super, all the information we have out-universe is this. It says Toei's retellings take place six months after Majin Buu saga. But I've heard some dubs clearly states "years has passed". Japanese version says "some time after that" ("that" is referring to Shenlong wish made six months after Majin Buu saga).

I'd honestly take the word of the original Japanese version - some time after that (nice and ambiguous) - over the assumptions made by game devs. Could be five years, could be five days.

[Grimlock]

While you are entitled to ignore what Xenoverse says, you can't actually go out there saying to other people that it's an "assumption" though. Your thoughts on this do not reflect the fact and what official sources are stating. This is an issue that people have different opinions. While some ignore what Xenoverse says just because "it's a video-game", others will follow it not because it is indeed an official source, but because it's the only source so far to give a year to some sagas. If a guidebook is soon to be released covering Dragon Ball Super's timeline, then we're all gonna sit by a round table and discuss what to do, but for now, you either ignore some sources in order to please your position, or you take it because it's all we have. Just don't go out there stating it's a matter of "assumption" or that people just "assume" even though there are three different and official sources speaking about this.

[shadowmaria]

While you are entitled to ignore what Xenoverse says, you can't actually go out there saying to other people that it's an "assumption" though. Your thoughts on this do not reflect the fact and what official sources are stating. This is an issue that people have different opinions. While some ignore what Xenoverse says just because "it's a video-game", others will follow it not because it is indeed an official source, but because it's the only source so far to give a year to some sagas. If a guidebook is soon to be released covering Dragon Ball Super's timeline, then we're all gonna sit by a round table and discuss what to do, but for now, you either ignore some sources in order to please your position, or you take it because it's all we have. Just don't go out there stating it's a matter of "assumption" or that people just "assume" even though there are three different and official sources speaking about this.

Actually, for more reasons than just dating events, I'd love a new guidebook. I think it's about time Super got one, actually.

[ArchedThunder]

Actually, for more reasons than just dating events, I'd love a new guidebook. I think it's about time Super got one, actually.

At the very least I'd like a book with all of the character designs from the show and an explanation as to who designed what characters, going all the way back to the rando aliens we saw in episode 1.

[The gr]

I'm really interested on the two mysterious u4 warrior, they are really keeping them in the shadows

They also removed the bug fighter in the op in a magazine. So much mystery with those warrior,I truly think they will be in the final battle instead of Jiren,this franchise is infamous for subverting the audience expectation. yay I reach 2000 post

[shadowmaria]

I'm really interested on the two mysterious u4 warrior, they are really keeping them in the shadows

They also removed the bug fighter in the op in a magazine. So much mystery with those warrior,I truly think they will be in the final battle instead of Jiren,this franchise is infamous for subverting the audience expectation. yay I reach 2000 post

Damon and not!Ganos are who I imagine are being kept secret. They'll probably be revealed after Universe's 2 and 3 are removed from the equation. Some good chemistry for Beerus and Quitela

[Ki Breaker]

I'm really interested on the two mysterious u4 warrior, they are really keeping them in the shadows..
They also removed the bug fighter in the op in a magazine. So much mystery with those warrior,I truly think they will be in the final battle instead of Jiren,this franchise is infamous for subverting the audience expectation.

Highly doubt it's them, it will be way too odd for it to be anybody other than jiren..

yay I reach 2000 post

Congratulations

[Jigurashi]

I'm really interested on the two mysterious u4 warrior, they are really keeping them in the shadows

They also removed the bug fighter in the op in a magazine. So much mystery with those warrior,I truly think they will be in the final battle instead of Jiren,this franchise is infamous for subverting the audience expectation. yay I reach 2000 post

I don't think it's likely but you never know. We already know a little about one of the two U4 fighters. It's really just one of them we don't know anything about. You're right this series does subvert expectations, but most of the time it makes it pretty clear who the major adversary is. Sure, it's possible it might not be Jiren (and I have no problem with that if it isn't lol) as there are exceptions to this, but most of the time the opponent hyped up to be the biggest top dog early on usually is the biggest top dog.

[The gr]

Highly doubt it's them, it will be way too odd for it to be anybody other than jiren..

yay I reach 2000 post

Congratulations

I'm not buying that goku vs jiren will be the final match,is gonna be an unlikely hero in the climax and thank you for congratulating me

I don't think it's likely but you never know. We already know a little about one of the two U4 fighters. It's really just one of them we don't know anything about. You're right this series does subvert expectations, but most of the time it makes it pretty clear who the major adversary is. Sure, it's possible it might not be Jiren (and I have no problem with that if it isn't lol) as there are exceptions to this, but most of the time the opponent hyped up to be the biggest top dog early on usually is the biggest top dog.

Your right about the top dogs but what if like I said above the final match will be an unlikely hero from u7 vs the mysterious warrior from u4 or jiren,this sound something that AT would do

[Jigurashi]

Highly doubt it's them, it will be way too odd for it to be anybody other than jiren..

yay I reach 2000 post

Congratulations

I'm not buying that goku vs jiren will be the final match,is gonna be an unlikely hero in the climax and thank you for congratulating me

I don't think it's likely but you never know. We already know a little about one of the two U4 fighters. It's really just one of them we don't know anything about. You're right this series does subvert expectations, but most of the time it makes it pretty clear who the major adversary is. Sure, it's possible it might not be Jiren (and I have no problem with that if it isn't lol) as there are exceptions to this, but most of the time the opponent hyped up to be the biggest top dog early on usually is the biggest top dog.

Your right about the top dogs but what if like I said above the final match will be an unlikely hero from u7 vs the mysterious warrior from u4 or jiren,this sound something that AT would do

Possibly, but there was no surprise with who was going to battle most of the big antagonists of each saga. For me personally, I don't see any chance of an unlikely hero from U7 being in the last fight of the saga. Goku, Gohan, Freeza. Either one of these guys or a possible combination of them (like Goku + Gohan or Goku + Freeza) seems like the likeliest option to me. You're right though, there are times some characters don't really get much build up, of course, a lot of the lack of build up from some of the protagonists or villains comes from how AT wrote the series as he went along and was either "forced" to change who the main villain was (in the case of the Cyborgs/Cell Sagas), or felt like changing it because he felt the character wasn't suited (Gohan in the Boo Saga). In Super, he's already written the outline for a saga before the saga is aired on television, meaning he's already has his mind made up. Of course, Toyo and Toei can take liberties with some of the things. We'll have to just wait and see really. Sure I could argue it's Jiren but it'd be ignoring the fact that unexpected things have happened before.

[The gr]

Possibly, but there was no surprise with who was going to battle most of the big antagonists of each saga. For me personally, I don't see any chance of an unlikely hero from U7 being in the last fight of the saga. Goku, Gohan, Freeza. Either one of these guys or a possible combination of them (like Goku + Gohan or Goku + Freeza) seems like the likeliest option to me. You're right though, there are times some characters don't really get much build up, of course, a lot of the lack of build up from some of the protagonists or villains comes from how AT wrote the series as he went along and was either "forced" to change who the main villain was (in the case of the Cyborgs/Cell Sagas), or felt like changing it because he felt the character wasn't suited (Gohan in the Boo Saga). In Super, he's already written the outline for a saga before the saga is aired on television, meaning he's already has his mind made up. Of course, Toyo and Toei can take liberties with some of the things. We'll have to just wait and see really. Sure I could argue it's Jiren but it'd be ignoring the fact that unexpected things have happened before.

You are right about that,jiren vs goku is likely to be the finale but saying will be ignoring the unexpected thing in the past but one stuff we can agree on this saga is unpredictable

[Cetra]

I would not be too surprised if Goku and Freeza are the last two Universe 7 guys and totally unexpected for the Z senshi Goku is thrown out and they have to rely of all people on Freeza. Like, in the last 2 minutes or so.

[Jigurashi]

I would not not be too surprised if Goku and Freeza are the last two Universe 7 guys and totally unexpected for the Z senshi Goku is thrown out and they have to rely of all people on Freeza. Like, in the last 2 minutes or so.

Any scenario that has Goku or Freeza needing to put their complete faith in each other would be hilarious to see.

[shadowmaria]

I would not be too surprised if Goku and Freeza are the last two Universe 7 guys and totally unexpected for the Z senshi Goku is thrown out and they have to rely of all people on Freeza. Like, in the last 2 minutes or so.

I'd really like this. The drama and tension would be fantastic.

[emperior]

I'm really interested on the two mysterious u4 warrior, they are really keeping them in the shadows

They also removed the bug fighter in the op in a magazine. So much mystery with those warrior,I truly think they will be in the final battle instead of Jiren,this franchise is infamous for subverting the audience expectation. yay I reach 2000 post

All this mystery around those U4 fighters is quite strange, they will probably play an important role in the ToP.

[Shounen]

And my understanding of the other two links are that those were for Battle of Gods, not Dragon Ball Super, which is established as taking place "some time later", not "four or five years later". Happy to eat my words if I'm mistaken.

Look:
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[precita]

Next arc after the tournament better skip ahead to EOZ already. I get the feeling we're nearly there, and we'll likely see Trunks, Goten and Uub in the next tournament instead of Roshi/Tenshinhan/Freeza.

[Nero<>Akira]

that picture of the timeline cannot make it any clear to people that DBGT doesn't even take place in this canon lol like that name is literally on the far upper right hand corner and no years are shown after 84 and has a squiggle lol i seriously wonder how many things people need in order to confirm stuff like this.