"(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Sorry for double posting but:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIZfgb_2 ... re=related
This shows a bit more footage, right? Does this mean the full video has been released?

No, there is nothing extra in there that wasn't already in one of the first two trailers I posted from the website.

[DNA]

I must have missed a second trailer then, I only remember watching one and hadn't seen mini-Piccolo yet.

Now a little analisys, I doubt Dragon Ball characters will be featured, Bulma obviously won't, but Son Gohan: Future might still have a chance.
Paikuhan, Gogeta and Janemba will probably be in the next set.
Trunks: Future Super Saiyan 2 won't because they've already jumped to Super Saiyan 3.
Yamhan missed the Fusion Set train and Kuriza missed the Freeza family reunion.
The various forms of Majin Buu and Majin Cell and Freeza won't be in for sure.
GT characters may or may not be featured, at this point it can go both ways.

So, in conclusion, Movie 12 characters will most likely appear, Future Gohan might have a chance to shine and I feel everyone else will be given the shaft, including earlier movie villains. Bear in mind that the latest set covered Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans, by including Hatchiyack, Slug, Freeza and Coola, yet Tullece is a no show.

As a final note, they might surprise us in the next set. I would think that the logical thing to do would be to also cover Son Goku and his Friends Return. That way they would have three new characters and a giant boss. Also new looks for Kuririn and Yamcha.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Nothing important to discuss, but a new mission has you fighting a fairly unbelievable team...



Broli is being amped up as the strongest in the group. Realistically, he would likely just kill the other 4 just to get to Goku, assuming he was on your team. =P

[Saiga]

Nothing important to discuss, but a new mission has you fighting a fairly unbelievable team...



Broli is being amped up as the strongest in the group. Realistically, he would likely just kill the other 4 just to get to Goku, assuming he was on your team. =P

Broli stronger than Ultimate Boo?

Cell, Hatchiyack, and especially Freeza even being relevant to Ultimate Boo?

[VegettoEX]

Well, hey... it IS Super Saiyan 3 Broli... and they're just making up their own new rules as they go along with these characters, so who's to say? Maybe SSJ3 gives Broli magical properties that JUST EVER SO HAPPEN to deflect anything that magical demons throw at them...? ^_~

And I don't think they're necessarily saying that everyone else is on the same playing field... it's just, "hey, here are a bunch of strong villains, and they're all gonna fight against you... OH, AND BROLI'S THE BEST WHOOOOOOOOOA!"

[DNA]

Well, playing devil's advocate a bit but, he had at least one boost from dying, maybe another one at some point, which adds to he's already immense power, take that and give him this odd Super Saiyan 3 forms which god knows how the multiplier works but I wouldn't be too surprised if it's a bit more than normal Super Saiyan 3 and yeah, perhaps he either comes very close, is on par or surpasses Ultimate Buu. I know it's "OLOLO GAME LOGIC 8D" but still, there is some logic behind it I guess. Doesn't seem to impossible to me, especially since, like VegettoEX said, we don't know the full extent of Broli's power or capabilities.

[Saiga]

Well, hey... it IS Super Saiyan 3 Broli... and they're just making up their own new rules as they go along with these characters, so who's to say? Maybe SSJ3 gives Broli magical properties that JUST EVER SO HAPPEN to deflect anything that magical demons throw at them...? ^_~

And I don't think they're necessarily saying that everyone else is on the same playing field... it's just, "hey, here are a bunch of strong villains, and they're all gonna fight against you... OH, AND BROLI'S THE BEST WHOOOOOOOOOA!"

Yeah, but even them being relevant... ignoring Super Saiyan 3 Broli with the magic of his luscious green hair, if someone can be considered a threat to Ultimate Boo then Freeza and co wouldn't be considered a threat to them... but maybe I shouldn't be arguing with video games that need to at least try to be balanced.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Well, hey... it IS Super Saiyan 3 Broli... and they're just making up their own new rules as they go along with these characters, so who's to say? Maybe SSJ3 gives Broli magical properties that JUST EVER SO HAPPEN to deflect anything that magical demons throw at them...? ^_~

And I don't think they're necessarily saying that everyone else is on the same playing field... it's just, "hey, here are a bunch of strong villains, and they're all gonna fight against you... OH, AND BROLI'S THE BEST WHOOOOOOOOOA!"

I'm sure that is definitely part of it, but watching the accompanying commercial hints otherwise. It doesn't show anything new, really, so I didn't really feel like posting it since some people have trouble loading them. The mission is just another "here, have some really strong major villains that have no real reason to be tossed together", for sure. Though, even if its not directly saying he's the strongest, the implications are definitely there along with that "I'm new, and badass" hype:: http://bandaitv.jp/streaming/dbh8_mission_ncas.asx

I don't really agree or care about their opinions on the matter, but it is at least plausible even if not practical. =P

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Step into the grand tour. *grand tour, grand tour* Step into the grand tour, Dragon Ball Gee Tee!





Yes, it seems they really are doing at least one GT set. And while I'm not ruling out the idea of GT themed avatars, it seems that our characters are just getting new clothes for their trek through space...or at least the male Saiyans are.

[MCDaveG]

I WANT THIS ALL IN DRAGON BALL Z BUDOKAI 8!!!!!!! As they already have the models.

[DNA]

Ahah, totally called it! And they're calling it "Galaxy Mission 1", that means there will be more!
GT themed avatars, here we come! First step mutated Tsufurians/Baby like avatars!

[TheDevilsCorpse]

GT themed avatars, here we come! First step mutated Tsufurians/Baby like avatars!

Seems highly doubtful, not for the first GT set anyway. New Avatar card revealed, and it shows the new clothes for all the Heroes. The male and female Saiyans still copy each other, the Namekian looks relatively unaltered even though he can't be seen all that clearly, the Majin gets even more ridiculous and...well, I'm not sure what to say about the Freeza Hero. He features a slightly different design with some altered traits, but does that make it a "new transformation" for him or should we just view it as a retcon of his old design? I dunno, personally I like the first option, even if it wasn't the intention.

[DNA]

The Freeza Clan hero simply gains a spike on his forearm, hardly a change, let alone a transformation.

Do you reckon the Hero, Berserker and Elite of the Freeza Clan are simply transformations of the same individual instead of their own characters?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

The Freeza Clan hero simply gains a spike on his forearm, hardly a change, let alone a transformation.

I'm not saying its a drastic change on par with some that we've seen from Freeza and Coola, but it is a bit more than a minor cosmetic shift. I'd say its enough to match what we see from first to second form Freeza, where he only gains height and has his horns point up instead of out. Because, excluding the fact that we can't see the Heroes mid-torso or feet, the jewels on his arms and legs now jut out , his tail gained rings and also has a black tip.

I admit the legs I'm iffy on. They may do what I drew below, but maybe not. But there is something weird/new about them though. If you look behind the Pan clone, there is purple from a jewel...but it seems illogical judging from his position)

Do you reckon the Hero, Berserker and Elite of the Freeza Clan are simply transformations of the same individual instead of their own characters?

No. None of the other races are treated that way, so why would the Freeza clansmen?

OH! Also of note, the GT influenced images above aren't specifically about new cards (though they will inevitably be released as well). The "Galaxy Mission 1" is supposedly a new "improved" game mode, similar to an "Arcade Mode", where you hop from planet to planet to defeat each challenge. They could still only release on set of GT cards, but I highly doubt that will happen, we'll probably end up with 3-4.

...hopefully Gogeta and Janenba get tossed in with a GT set, maybe with the dragons since SS4 Gogeta would debut there too.

[DNA]

Yeah it's really odd that they skipped movie 12. They've got models for Gogeta, Janemba and Paikuhan. And the fat Janemba is another giant they could use as a boss. But maybe they'll appear in the next set, sometimes they introduce more characters from the same "theme" on the following set.
I'm a bit bummed by the fact that they also skipped the first three movies, Future Gohan and the 2008 special, but oh well.

I do see what you mean but, the fact that his horns are not pointing up and he hasn't grown kinda lets me down about it being a transformation. As for the other ones, that's my general thought, since the previous were different characters, these are too, but the thing is, they are suspiciously similar in colour patterns and we've seen other clan members are more distinct, like Freeza and Coola. Although the most logical would be for them to be different people, it would make a bit more sense for them to be forms of the same guy, to me at least.

[Raykugen]

that's really REALLY bad, no characters from movies 1,2,3 and 12, when even there is no "new" artworks from the first 3 movies.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I won't completely give up hope because seeing how the new game mode involves jumping from planet to planet, some of them could still be included in sort of atypical ways. But it is a shame, because most of the characters could have easily fit in with other sets if they just didn't keep recycling the same heroes over and over again. Matter of fact, all the card sets probably could have been organized better. lol

I don't think them being the same character makes any sense at all. There doesn't seem to be any logical transformation pattern since one of them always has a trait the clashes with the other two. Some of said traits are also things I don't think can change that drastically between forms; specifically the eyes color/pupil, jewel color, face marking color, and secondary skin color.

[DNA]

Wow, you really have an eye for small details :x I stand corrected.

I figure Tullece could have been put in at some point easily, for Garlic it would be more complicated, he's got seven henchmen and five of them transform (I guess the other two do as well but died before doing so), plus his own transformation, that would amount for fourteen new cards just to cover Garlic.
But anyway, whilst it is a pity that we didn't get Janemba, getting all these guys would be even more amazing due to the fact that they're rarely included. I'm still hoping they'll cover the 2008 special at some point.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Its annoying to me, but I'm fairly anal about details when I'm drawing or making custom figures.

Well, they don't exactly give Broli and Bojack base forms, or Gokua his super form. I think they could just use the non transformed versions for the characters, the transformations don't really amount to much anyway. If it were up to me, this is how I would have done their cards and where I would have placed them (assuming that each set of cards was larger and they didn't get their own, new sets):

Movie 1 w/ Lord Slug and the other "Mazoku"
Garlic Jr. (Team Attack), Garlic Jr. (Transformation), Super Garlic Jr., Ginger, Ginger (Team Attack), Sansho, Nikki, Gashew, Gashew (Team Attack), Tard, Vinegar, Zald

Movie 2 w/ one of the sets including Gero's Jinzoningen
Goku (Summon Dr. Uiro), Misokattsun, Misokattsun (Team Attack), Ebifurya, Ebifurya (Team Attack), Kishime, Kishime (Team Attack), Bio-Men

Movie 3 w/ Freeza set, though Tullece could have been with Hatchihyack
Tullece, Tullece (Team Attack), Tullece (Team Attack), Amond, Amond (Team Attack), Daiz, Kakao, Rakasei, Rakasei (Team Attack), Rezun, Rezun (Team Attack)

Movie 12 w/ one of the Buu sets or Hildegarn
SS3 Goku (Summon Fat Janenba), Goku (Fusion), Vegeta (Fusion), Paikuhan, Paikuhan (Team Attack), Fat Gogeta, Super Gogeta, Super Gogeta (Team Attack), Super Janenba, Super Janenba

JSAT w/ a Freeza set or a Buu set
Abo (Team Attack), Abo (Fusion), Kado (Team Attack), Kado (Fusion), Aka, Tarble, Tarble (Team Attack)

Neko Majin w/ a Freeza set or a Buu set
Z, Z (Transformation), Super Neko Majin Z (Team Attack), Onio, Onio (Transformation), SS Onio (Team Attack), Kurieza, Kurieza (Transformation), Final Kurieza (Team Attack), Final Kurieza (Team Attack)

Extras...either in a TV Special set or scattered appropriately
Extras: Future Gohan, Future Gohan (Transformation), SS Future Gohan, SS Future Gohan (Team Attack), Cavira, Cavira (Team Attack), Tobi (Team Attack), Chilled (Team Attack), Bardock (Team Attack), SS Bardock (Team Attack), Toma, Toma (Team Attack), Panbukin, Totepo, Selypa

...you could perhaps through in Trunks' SS2 from the later Budokai games, and Future Gohan's SS2 and Ultimate from Another Road if they wanted to advertise "new forms" for the sets.

[DNA]

Hmm, that does look like a very nice way of doing things, although I would also chuck Dr. Kochin there as well. But hey, I would also put Dr. Raichi, Yakon, Yajirobe and Cui in. Possibly Vegeta as a kid too. And if you're including special ones, Yamhan should have been tossed in when the fusions were about.

Oh well, lets just hope they cover some earlier GT and don't go straight for the kill. I'm hoping to see Rild and Legdic.