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Re: Buu Saga Info

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun May 05, 2013 11:46 pm

Yes, the chain is clearly Broly = SS Gogeta > Goku's Toei Punch > Broly (1%, humoring the heroes) >> SS3 Goku = Pure Buu = SS2 Goku >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vegetto > Buuhan > Buutenks > SS Goku (full power) > Gohan > Super Buu > Gotenks > Fat Buu > SS2 Vegeta. The introduction to a video game told me so.

Also Mecha Freeza >>>>>>>>>>>>> SS3 Goku = Pure Buu >>>>>>>>>> Vegetto >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trunks > Mecha Freeza (suppressed). This was a what if scenario in Budokai Tenkaichi 1 this is undeniable cannon.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Buu Saga Info

Post by Draken » Sun May 05, 2013 11:47 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:Everyone knows Mr. Satan is the strongest. Goku is a pussy ass bitch compared to him. Followed by Broly because his power is maximum and takes out galaxies..herp a derp #ChurchofGoku
Yea, I heard there are some people out there who actually believe SSJ4 Gogeta could stand even a CHANCE against the almighty Broly. Perish the thought. LSSJ4 Broly is unlimited.

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Re: Buu Saga Info

Post by dbzfan7 » Sun May 05, 2013 11:47 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Yes, the chain is clearly Broly = SS Gogeta > Goku's Toei Punch > Broly (1%, humoring the heroes) >> SS3 Goku = Pure Buu = SS2 Goku >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vegetto > Buuhan > Buutenks > SS Goku (full power) > Gohan > Super Buu > Gotenks > Fat Buu > SS2 Vegeta. The introduction to a video game told me so.
OMG you forgot Mr. Satan. I beat Broly's ass with Mr. Satan in the games so he is clearly stronger then Broly.
Draken wrote:Yea, I heard there are some people out there who actually believe SSJ4 Gogeta could stand even a CHANCE against the almighty Broly. Perish the thought. LSSJ4 Broly is unlimited.
LSSJ4 Broly is a pussy. Mr. Satan beats SSJ Infinity.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun May 05, 2013 11:49 pm

Draken wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:Everyone knows Mr. Satan is the strongest. Goku is a pussy ass bitch compared to him. Followed by Broly because his power is maximum and takes out galaxies..herp a derp #ChurchofGoku
Yea, I heard there are some people out there who actually believe SSJ4 Gogeta could stand even a CHANCE against the almighty Broly. Perish the thought. LSSJ4 Broly is unlimited.
His power is maximum.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun May 05, 2013 11:50 pm

Indeed. I also pwned SS4 Gogeta with Satan in BT3, but then proceeded to defeat him with Yajirobe, but then I played as Satan and defeated Yajirobe in the rematch. I also beat SS4 Gogeta with Broly in BT3 this is undeniable cannon. The chain goes Satan (full power) >>>>>> Yajirobe (badass motherfucker mode) >>>>>>>>>>> Satan >>>>>>>>>>> base Goku >>>>>>>>>>> Broly >>>>>>>>> SS4 Gogeta > all of Z x 100000000000.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Buu Saga Info

Post by dbzfan7 » Sun May 05, 2013 11:52 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Indeed. I also pwned SS4 Gogeta with Satan in BT3, but then proceeded to defeat him with Yajirobe, but then I played as Satan and defeated Yajirobe in the rematch. I also beat Broly with SS4 Gogeta in BT3 this is undeniable cannon. The chain goes Satan (full power) >>>>>> Yajirobe (badass motherfucker mode) >>>>>>>>>>> Satan >>>>>>>>>>> base Goku >>>>>>>>>>> Broly >>>>>>>>> SS4 Gogeta > all of Z x 100000000000.
Don't forget to put Mr. Satan above SSJ Infinity(your tricks don't work on him)

Mr. Satan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SSJ Infinity Goku>Broly is maximum>all
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Re: Buu Saga Info

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun May 05, 2013 11:54 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:Indeed. I also pwned SS4 Gogeta with Satan in BT3, but then proceeded to defeat him with Yajirobe, but then I played as Satan and defeated Yajirobe in the rematch. I also beat Broly with SS4 Gogeta in BT3 this is undeniable cannon. The chain goes Satan (full power) >>>>>> Yajirobe (badass motherfucker mode) >>>>>>>>>>> Satan >>>>>>>>>>> base Goku >>>>>>>>>>> Broly >>>>>>>>> SS4 Gogeta > all of Z x 100000000000.
Don't forget to put Mr. Satan above SSJ Infinity(your tricks don't work on him)
Remember, Videl is specifically stated to be stronger than Mr. Satan. So, according to Toryama himself, she should be at the top.
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Re: Buu Saga Info

Post by dbzfan7 » Sun May 05, 2013 11:56 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
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RandomGuy96 wrote:Indeed. I also pwned SS4 Gogeta with Satan in BT3, but then proceeded to defeat him with Yajirobe, but then I played as Satan and defeated Yajirobe in the rematch. I also beat Broly with SS4 Gogeta in BT3 this is undeniable cannon. The chain goes Satan (full power) >>>>>> Yajirobe (badass motherfucker mode) >>>>>>>>>>> Satan >>>>>>>>>>> base Goku >>>>>>>>>>> Broly >>>>>>>>> SS4 Gogeta > all of Z x 100000000000.
Don't forget to put Mr. Satan above SSJ Infinity(your tricks don't work on him)
Remember, Videl is specifically stated to be stronger than Mr. Satan. So, according to Toryama himself, she should be at the top.
Mr. Satan holds back. He hides his ki. So it only appears Videl is stronger. However being the daughter of Mr. Satan, her power is maximum.
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Re: Buu Saga Info

Post by Kaboom » Sun May 05, 2013 11:56 pm

This thread now has the potential to be a lot more friendly and productive. So let's try to get all Grand Elder up in here and pull out that hidden potential, okay? Right now, there doesn't seem to be a lot of worth. I'm not even sure what the topic at hand is supposed to be at this point...
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Re: Buu Saga Info

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun May 05, 2013 11:57 pm

There's also the fact that Videl has feats against Broly in Movie 10 clearly making her >>>>> SS4 Gogeta.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Sun May 05, 2013 11:57 pm

Kaboom wrote:This thread now has the potential to be a lot more friendly and productive. So let's try to get all Grand Elder up in here and pull out that hidden potential, okay? Right now, there doesn't seem to be a lot of worth. I'm not even sure what the topic at hand is supposed to be at this point...
There was potential? :lol:
RandomGuy96 wrote:There's also the fact that Videl has feats against Broly in Movie 10 clearly making her >>>>> SS4 Gogeta.
She came from Mr. Satan's almighty seed. Of course she is above SSJ4 Gogeta. The only thing close to Mr. Satan is Goku's Super Toei Form (Only achievable when Goku gathers the Ki of 7 pure Toei writers).
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Post by Draken » Mon May 06, 2013 12:01 am

Kaboom wrote:This thread now has the potential to be a lot more friendly and productive. So let's try to get all Grand Elder up in here and pull out that hidden potential, okay? Right now, there doesn't seem to be a lot of worth. I'm not even sure what the topic at hand is supposed to be at this point...
Now it does? Did something change O_O. Well we were having a good discussion about teleporting, then back to the power discussions, then someone went a little negative~ (singsong voice)

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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Mon May 06, 2013 12:19 am

What's with the troll fest? Yeah this topic wasn't exactly the most productive of topics but still...
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Post by dbzfan7 » Mon May 06, 2013 12:32 am

TheMightyOzaru wrote:What's with the troll fest? Yeah this topic wasn't exactly the most productive of topics but still...
Well since some people enjoy nonsense, we all started pitching in our own 2 cents of it. Got to make the thread fun again some how.
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Post by Kaboom » Mon May 06, 2013 1:02 am

Fun is fun, but we don't want topics devolving into nonsense. Remember the podcast's tagline: "Enlightening and entertaining." :wink:
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Post by dbzfan7 » Mon May 06, 2013 1:34 am

Kaboom wrote:Fun is fun, but we don't want topics devolving into nonsense. Remember the podcast's tagline: "Enlightening and entertaining." :wink:
The topic devolved into nonsense at page 1 and got saved with the interesting teleporting theories. It just came back to the nonsense so we decided to roll with it.
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Re: Buu Saga Info

Post by Mjb1985 » Mon May 06, 2013 1:50 am

How about discussing the possibility of Good Buu regaining the power of Fat Buu when he is spit out by Kid Buu.

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon May 06, 2013 4:15 am

Good Buu probably should have all the power that Fat Buu was allowed to use without splitting, because Kid Buu has all of the unrestrained evil Buu power just like Evil did.

Here's another one: how much stronger was Gotenks than Super Buu, exactly? I seem to recall him pulverizing Buu when he got serious.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by Saiyan Prince Vegeta » Mon May 06, 2013 5:11 am

Well Boo hit Gotenks about 3 times, and for every hit Boo did, it seemed that Gotenks hit him much harder. Hand to hand combat Gotenks completely dominated. I'd say there's a 1.2-1.5 x difference. People could argue that Boo set up his plan by losing to Gotenks so he would fuse again, if he battered Gotenks the boys would know not to fuse a second time, as it would be pointless. No absorption for Boo that way.

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Post by BejitaSama » Mon May 06, 2013 6:14 am

because Kid Buu has all of the unrestrained evil Buu power just like Evil did.
Nop, because Pure Evil Buu has the most part of Fat Buu's power, whereas Kid Buu is stronger than Fat. And it's logical, because Pure Evil Buu lost a part of his "Buu power" when he splitted.

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