What is the lamest thing to come out of modern DBZ?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

We don't know how much of 18's body is mechanical, either.

The only mechanical parts in #17 & #18 are the mechanisms for the shut-down device & the bomb, according to the Daizenshuu.

There has to be that infinite energy thing too, at least.

I'm not sure. D4 specifically mentions that the modifications were organic, and that the only of the few mechanical parts are the shut-down device & the bomb. On the other hand, D7 says that they are equiped with an infinite energy engine...

[KentalSSJ6]

The amount of people whining and complain about every possible nitpick they can find.

[VintageSaiyan]

The amount of people whining and complain about every possible nitpick they can find.

Unfortunately it's not "nitpicking" when the whole series has jumped the shark and been turned into a glorified ATM machine. I'm surprised more people aren't pissed tbh.

[Zephyr]

the whole series has jumped the shark and been turned into a glorified ATM machine.

The former happened when Raditz landed on Earth. The latter happened when chapter 1 was originally printed in Shonen Jump.

[Noah]

The childishness and the wacky animation

[Bullza]

The childishness and the wacky animation

Ehhh....Isn't it kinda the point to an extent? Battle of Gods had some childish scenes involving Pilaf and the gang so it's only a given that Super would have them as well being that Pilaf is involved. The Buu saga had it's share of childish scenes too. Though there are some "comedic" parts of the Goku and Beerus fight I wouldn't have in there but it's fairly minor.

Resurrection F wasn't really childish except for the small part involving Pilaf and co. The movie was a lot more dramatic and serious with more violence than Battle of Gods so I'd hope that would be the same for the Super retelling.

I wouldn't say it was childish just light which the movie it's retelling was also.

[SaiyanZ]

I don't get the color swap nitpick when SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Gotenks, Buu arc Gohan and a ton of other forms are just palette swaps.

If anything pissed me off about Freeza, it was his 1.3 million PL statement and offering Vegeta to kill Goku. He spent the entire film talking about how he wanted to exact his revenge and how he suffered in Hell being "serenaded by teddy bears", and yet he wants to give up to the chance to take revenge with his own hands because he was so enamored by Vegeta attacking Goku earlier.....yeah, OK. Did you forget that Vegeta betrayed you in the Namek arc and that you hate Saiyans? Just ugh.

I agree with all of this. lol. On the bright/optimistic side, Super is redoing the story, so maaaaayyyyybe they'll take a different (better) approach.

I highly doubt it will be any better.

I think it will be, I like Super's version of BoG better so far.

[SSJ God Gogeta]

I agree with all of this. lol. On the bright/optimistic side, Super is redoing the story, so maaaaayyyyybe they'll take a different (better) approach.

I highly doubt it will be any better.

I think it will be, I like Super's version of BoG better so far.

Aside for episode 11 I think the BoG arc is a drag... but that's just my opinion. If you're enjoying it that's great.

[MCDaveG]

Well, clearly the wasted potential. I won't mourn anymore the loss of Shunsuke Kikuchi to mediocre elevator music composer anymore, but Super is such wasted opportunity.
The PROMO! manga is what the series should have looked like in terms of the writing (with dragged fights), there are stupid plotholes, like Pilaf being OK over two guys being the only ones having the exact hairstyle that should give him nightmares.
How are they kids when they were adult in Dragon Ball?? Beats me... Searching for Dragon Balls after seeing Shenron should have involved grabbing dragon radar and GTFO instead of going to the exact same location.
No more cool machinery from Pilaf (OK, but this can be explained by them being poor now). Dragged things like rock, paper, scissors with Oolong, missing the funny plot point of him being pig, but Beerus thinking he is the Majin Buu race...
+ bad drawings. The movies were good by the way (Sans the horrible Chala Head Chala and stupid idol song).

[Son Gohan 1995]

-Lack of Onio. I have no problems with the series returning to its slapstick gag-manga origins as it already did that post-Cell Games. But since they are, I want to see Onio's origin story.

-Goku being a child instead of a baby in Dragonball Minus and in Jaco. It had already been established that he was sent as an infant, so this is just a plothole, not a retcon.

-SSJ God not being explained as actually being the Legendary SSJ that appears every 1,000 years.

And, as mentioned, the fandom's reaction to the series no longer being more serious in tone. Seriousness stopped after the Cell Games, folks!

I wouldn't say seriousness stopped after the cell saga.. Sure boo saga was goofy in some ways, but it did have a serious tone to it. Especially with a majority of major characters dying.

[OkamiTakahashi]

As much as I adore the idea of the Super Saiyan God forms, it bothers me that they're really just palette swaps when it comes to how they look. And I do understand why Toriyama says red looks more powerful and he thinks the base God form could be more powerful than the ascended form- but that's just aesthetic. That shouldn't have any effect on power levels.

When I first heard there was gonna be a new Super Saiyan God form, I was honestly expecting a reworked version of SSJ4- you know, like a golden version to match the other saiyan forms, and I thought with that, they'll have to completely redo GT- something I once wanted but can't see happening now. I was even seeing a lot of fan art depicting it the same way.

And Golden Frieza too- too simple looking of a transformation. If it were up to me I'd use the form Cooler took on and combine that with the Golden Frieza colors.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Well Golden Freeza wasn't really a transformation, it was more of a evolution so it makes sense it wouldn't be that different from his actual form.

[Ringworm128]

Why is Vegeta's rage boost such a problem? The series has been doing it for years, Tien had that moment where he was fighting with Nappa through sheer rage, or that time base Goku got a sudden spurt of energy and attacked Freeza for a few seconds before being knocked down again.

[rereboy]

Why is Vegeta's rage boost such a problem? The series has been doing it for years, Tenshinhan had that moment where he was fighting with Nappa through sheer rage, or that time base Goku got a sudden spurt of energy and attacked Freeza for a few seconds before being knocked down again.

What are you talking about? No one besides Gohan ever had an actual rage boost in Dragon Ball, and regarding Gohan, it was explained why and treated as part of his character.

The moments you are talking about are nothing more than moments where the characters got extremely motivated and moved past the exhaustion, the fear, the pain, and, thus, attacked with all they got, but they didn't actually get any rage boost from it. Their power didn't actually increase beyond what they could use before.

[Ringworm128]

Isn't that what happened with Vegeta? He got a sudden spark of motivation then lost it? Even Goku pretty much have the same thing happen when he lost SSJG.

[rereboy]

Isn't that what happened with Vegeta? He got a sudden spark of motivation then lost it? Even Goku pretty much have the same thing happen when he lost SSJG.

No. Vegeta got mad and, his power, because he got mad, shot up to levels way beyond the levels he could reach before, just like Gohan when he got mad and suddenly he was several times stronger than anything he could do before.

That didn't happen in any of the examples you mentioned. In fact, nothing of the sort has ever happened to Vegeta, no matter how angry or desperate he was, not even when Freeza was killing him, and not even when Cell killed Trunks. He got motivated to attack Cell and he certainly did but he didn't achieve anything that he couldn't do before.

[FortuneSSJ]

From all the new stuff, its Dragon Ball Minus.
From some weeks ago, its Dragon Ball Super Episode 5.
From this month, its Kibitoshin defusing.

[Rockman X]

Meh.. TBH almost EVERYTHING that came out of modern DBZ is lame mainly because it is just trying to re-use the original DBZ stuff instead of giving us a proper continuation.. DB:Super annoys me because its just Battle of Gods&Revival of F Rehash.. like WTF sersiouly? LAAAAAAAAAAAAME!

From this month, its Kibitoshin defusing.

WAIT? how is that lame? that's awesome! i'd also like to see the old kai defuse as well.

[ekrolo2]

Meh.. TBH almost EVERYTHING that came out of modern DBZ is lame mainly because it is just trying to re-use the original DBZ stuff instead of giving us a proper continuation.. DB:Super annoys me because its just Battle of Gods&Revival of F Rehash.. like WTF sersiouly? LAAAAAAAAAAAAME!

From this month, its Kibitoshin defusing.

WAIT? how is that lame? that's awesome! i'd also like to see the old kai defuse as well.

It's lame because it guarantees an open season on Vegito at some point and kills one of the few things to have lasting consequences.

[Rockman X]

It's lame because it guarantees an open season on Vegito at some point and kills one of the few things to have lasting consequences.

Well it wasn't "permanent" i mean technically Kibitokai can just go to earth and ask for to be absorbed by Fat buu and then they can defuse as well.

and why is Vegito lame? he's one of the most badass characters ever.