The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Saiga » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:41 pm

Super Boo one-shots all of them at once.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:12 pm

Yeah, that's just way too far in the opposite direction.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Saiga » Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:44 pm

Kaboom wrote:Yeah, that's just way too far in the opposite direction.
Not really. He's more than 4x stronger than each of them (being stronger than SS3 Goku), and his breath blast thing covers a huge range.

So they all die as one.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Rocketman » Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:04 am

Unless Goku and Vegeta are allowed to fuse, Super Buu wins.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:08 am

Saiga wrote:
Kaboom wrote:Yeah, that's just way too far in the opposite direction.
Not really. He's more than 4x stronger than each of them (being stronger than SS3 Goku), and his breath blast thing covers a huge range.
So they all die as one.
I was responding to the original match-up, in particular its following the match with Good Boo. Not your post. :wink:
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Saiga » Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:26 am

Kaboom wrote:
Saiga wrote:
Kaboom wrote:Yeah, that's just way too far in the opposite direction.
Not really. He's more than 4x stronger than each of them (being stronger than SS3 Goku), and his breath blast thing covers a huge range.
So they all die as one.
I was responding to the original match-up, in particular its following the match with Good Boo. Not your post. :wink:
My bad. :oops:
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Gonstead » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:20 am

Cell when he had Goku absorbed vs Super 17
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Saiga » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:34 am

Gonstead wrote:Cell when he had Goku absorbed vs Super 17
That match up has been done before, buuuut for some reason I can't link to it so I give up.

Base Goku crawls out of Cell and one-shots both of them.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Gonstead » Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:42 am

Saiga wrote:
Gonstead wrote:Cell when he had Goku absorbed vs Super 17
That match up has been done before, buuuut for some reason I can't link to it so I give up.

Base Goku crawls out of Cell and one-shots both of them.
Ahh, damn.

Also, no Goku crawling out! This is where Goku never escapes! Muahaha!
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Saiga » Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:50 am

Oh god I have no idea why but now I'm picturing Goku sitting in Cell's womb (which he apparently now has) while the two Androids fight.

Blueeegh.

Anyway, I guess Cell beats 17 if he gains all of Goku's strength.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Gonstead » Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:18 am

Saiga wrote:Oh god I have no idea why but now I'm picturing Goku sitting in Cell's womb (which he apparently now has) while the two Androids fight.

Blueeegh.

Anyway, I guess Cell beats 17 if he gains all of Goku's strength.
I'm finding that rather hilarious, especially if Goku's not the one fighting Super 17. Cross legs and arms, pouting away while Cell gains access to Super Perfect Cell 4.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Godo » Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:17 am

Saiga wrote:Oh god I have no idea why but now I'm picturing Goku sitting in Cell's womb (which he apparently now has) while the two Androids fight.

Blueeegh.

Anyway, I guess Cell beats 17 if he gains all of Goku's strength.
Shouldn't he have some kind of womb if he can create Cell Jrs? I think we can assume that.

If Goku takes over Cell, 17 will win because Goku will still just blast Kamehamehas against him and wondering why he becomes stronger "just like that".

If Cell is the main man, he could probably win if he keeps his cool. If he becomes arrogant, he could lose (not power wise, but by giving to much of his energy to 17).

Incidentally, could Cell absorb 17 ? If he could, I bet he would. He is compatible with C17 after all.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Gonstead » Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:42 am

He probably could, though it might be no different than what he did with Goku, since he has already achieved his perfect state.

Although, a GT plot involving a new transformation for Cell if he absorbed Super 17 would be kinda cool. I'd wonder what his design would be?
Maybe something similar to this? - http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2 ... e_Cell.png
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Legendary Saiya-Jin » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:42 pm

Ginyuu-Saga Gokuu defeats Captain Ginyuu and the rest of the force with ease, and now he encounter first form Freeza. Who wins?

Personally, I think Gokuu takes this; I imagine if Freeza manages to transform, he'll toy with Gokuu too much and give him the opportunity to unleash a Kaiou-ken x20 and roflstomp him.

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Legendary Saiya-Jin wrote:Ginyuu-Saga Gokuu defeats Captain Ginyuu and the rest of the force with ease, and now he encounter first form Freeza. Who wins?

Personally, I think Gokuu takes this; I imagine if Freeza manages to transform, he'll toy with Gokuu too much and give him the opportunity to unleash a Kaiou-ken x20 and roflstomp him.
Hmm yeah I suppose Goku would win since he has Kaioken x20.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Bando » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:48 pm

Freeza cause bad guys are never defeated until they unleash their full strength.

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Post by Legendary Saiya-Jin » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:48 pm

Just to clarify: I'm not saying he does have KKx20; I personally believe he does from Gravity training, but people seem to disagree with that. :silent:

If Freeza managed to transform into form three, Gokuu's screwed, but I don't imagine that happening for some reason.

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Post by Godo » Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:37 pm

This opens a lot of questions. Do they wish Piccolo to Namek in-between?
If so, Goku could have defeated Freeza earlier on with a Genki Dama, which would probably work since
Freeza wasn't forced to increase his power too much.
I guess that Goku didn't get a near death power up...so his max would be either 900.000 or 1.800.000 (depending on whether he uses KK x 10 or x 20). He could in either case hold off Freeza's second form.
He would be destroyed a la Piccolo when Freeza transforms into his third form. And let's not talk about his fourth form.
And even if he became a Ssj, he would still be only 4.500.000 , so at most he could then defeat 3rd form Freeza and probably "1 percent" Freeza (whom unpowered up Goku at 3.000.000 could fight against if Freeza wasn't serious).

So Goku could win if Freeza was at his first 2 forms, but not later. If he used a Genki Dama, he could defeat Freeza if he was under 50% of his true power.

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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:45 pm

Bando wrote:Freeza cause bad guys are never defeated until they unleash their full strength.
Well Frieza would already toy with Goku and then when Goku unleashes a Kaioken x10, Frieza will go second form. Goku then realizing he has no chance of winning unless he goes all out, he will fire off a Kaioken x20 kamehameha and kill him.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Legendary Saiya-Jin » Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:10 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:
Bando wrote:Freeza cause bad guys are never defeated until they unleash their full strength.
Well Freeza would already toy with Goku and then when Goku unleashes a Kaioken x10, Freeza will go second form. Goku then realizing he has no chance of winning unless he goes all out, he will fire off a Kaioken x20 kamehameha and kill him.
Yup. 8) That's exactly how I imagined it happening.

It would be kind of interesting if you think about it: if we were to assume Freeza would have never mentioned additional forms yet (like he did until Piccolo started overpoweting him), we'd just think that was his only true-form transformation like Zaabon and that would have been the end of it. :P

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