"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[sintzu]

Eh, gohan surpassing them is very possible if he sticks to his training like he says.

The only way for him to surpass them is if he trains with Whis and if they stop training.

[ShinTenshin]

Toriyama want only Goku X Vegeta, this is how he see DRAGON BALL.
He say that he doesn't care about Gohan because be the hero doesn't suit him.
It's the reason why Gohan die fast against Buu.
Now for Akira, it's over and over again Goku or Vegeta, the worst is than Gohan even lose rage boost.
Sadly he has a fucking potential but a weak mentality.

However he can still become stronger and surpass the actually SS Goku/Vegeta.
However the God power isn't a thing for him.

[omaro34]

Eh, gohan surpassing them is very possible if he sticks to his training like he says.

Gohan isn't going to surpass Goku or Vegeta. I do believe Gohan's absence will lead to him taking on a bigger role some point down the road. It wouldn't make much sense otherwise, justifying his notable absence for a mere conference that the audience can care less about with no screentime after would be downright cruel.

Goku perhaps recalls when his master Roshi told him that no matter how strong you become, someone out there is always stronger. That remains true years later in Super, even though Goku achieved God level in power. Goku also gets excited like a kid when he finds out someone is stronger than him. Vegeta on the other hand, would never let Goku pass him to the point where he can't catch up. With that being said, those two are not going to stop training, hence Gohan won't surpass them.

As much as I love Gohan, his days of being the most powerful Z fighter ended not after Cell but when he fought Super Buu.

[namekiansaiyan]

I definitely expect Goku to comment on Piccolo's power in the next episode He will probably say I was wrong about you not being able to win, you have got really strong.

[namekiansaiyan]

If that english translation for chapter 10 is right, it does explain somethings. It sort of could explain why Piccolo used the Special Beam Cannon because Frost has a very good defence like Goku said so instead of fist fighting until Frost finally loses he decided to finish it in one powerful attack like Krillin mentioned. It could also explain why it seemed like Piccolo did not want to give up in episode 34 because he was feeling good because Frost was not that hard to beat. It should also solve problems with power levels a little as well. The manga has also made me feel like there is an increased chanced that Goku might come back and maybe even Piccolo but i still think they will more likely not though.

[omaro34]

I definitely expect Goku to comment on Piccolo's power in the next episode He will probably say I was wrong about you not being able to win, you have got really strong.

I wouldn't have your hopes up on that one, my friend. I hate to say this, but other than training with Gohan in the mountains, there isn't evidence to support the assumption that Piccolo got "really strong", as you put it.

You can argue that Piccolo blocking the punches Frost was throwing would be adequate evidence, but I doubt it's concrete enough to warrant Goku's praise.

Whether Goku says this or not which I doubt, it really wouldn't change anything. It sounds like you're looking for validation and reassurance to your favorite character. Believe me, I'm a massive Piccolo fan, arguably the biggest one aside from you and a couple others, (I have the biggest Piccolo page on Facebook), but I think we harped on the same things about Big Green for weeks now. It's not going to change anything. It's not going to change the outcome of the series. As much as I want Piccolo to succeed, there's nothing you nor me could do about it when he loses.

I moved on . You should too, my friend.

[SansrivaaL]

I dont know, Gohan has that hidden potential BS going for him, wouldnt be surprised if he unlocks some BS powerup again and surpasses both Goku and Vegeta effortlessly again like how he did on the Boo saga, guess it really depends if Akira Toriyama wants to jump Gohan back to one of the main char list tho I doubt it, as of now this seems to be the Goku&Vegeta show.

[apex_pretador]

I dont know, Gohan has that hidden potential BS going for him, wouldnt be surprised if he unlocks some BS powerup again and surpasses both Goku and Vegeta effortlessly again like how he did on the Boo saga, guess it really depends if Akira Toriyama wants to jump Gohan back to one of the main char list tho I doubt it, as of now this seems to be the Goku&Vegeta show.

whis' potential unlock

[dbzfan7]

I dont know, Gohan has that hidden potential BS going for him, wouldnt be surprised if he unlocks some BS powerup again and surpasses both Goku and Vegeta effortlessly again like how he did on the Boo saga, guess it really depends if Akira Toriyama wants to jump Gohan back to one of the main char list tho I doubt it, as of now this seems to be the Goku&Vegeta show.

I hope not. I don't want any more hidden power bull crap. Focus on half breed talent instead. There's still the elephant in the room hand holding, but that's about the only one I'd accept. I don't want Whis or anyone else bringing out more hidden power juices. That should be done and over with.

[kinisking]

Eh, gohan surpassing them is very possible if he sticks to his training like he says.

The only way for him to surpass them is if he trains with Whis and if they stop training.

Whis? Yes. Them stopping their training? No. Gohan surpassed a goku and vegeta that trained their whole lives as a kid. Heck, Gohan in his first appearance (enraged) was stronger than Goku at age 4 and without any training.

Also I'm not saying he will. But it's very possible.

Also I love Shin, you don't know what Akira has in mind and neither do I so don't speak for him.

[sintzu]

As of now this seems to be the Goku&Vegeta show.

Beerus and Whis are very important characters so I don't get why fans are calling it this especially since it's been done before.

DB's main cast was Goku, Krillin, Roshi, Tien&Yamcha.

Z's main cast replaced 4 of the above in favor of Vegeta, Gohan, Goten, Trunks & Piccolo.

Super is doing the same thing, it's replacing certain characters in favor of new ones.

As of now we have Goku, Vegeta, Beerus & Whis.

Kaybe might join the list if they go to his planet so that'll be 5 characters.

[namekiansaiyan]

As of now this seems to be the Goku&Vegeta show.

Beerus and Whis are very important characters so I don't get why fans are calling it this especially since it's been done before.

DB's main cast was Goku, Krillin, Roshi, Tien&Yamcha.

Z's main cast replaced 4 of the above in favor of Vegeta, Gohan, Goten, Trunks & Piccolo.

Super is doing the same thing, it's replacing certain characters in favor of new ones.

As of now we have Goku, Vegeta, Beerus & Whis.

Kaybe might join the list if they go to his planet so that'll be 5 characters.

No way cabe is joining the main cast. Gohan and Piccolo are still hanging on but everyone else is currently finished.

[Chuquita]

I partly think Cabe might end up being not so important cast-wise (like I don't think he's joining the main cast; I think he'll only be slightly more important than Frost), but that he's a plot-device character to give Vegeta directions/act-as-a-tour-guide to get them to Planet Sadla.

So far he's been kind of Tarblesque in his personality (pleasant character, but also doesn't really stand out) ; the only big difference is he's strong enough to engage in battle and is not related to Vegeta.

[Doctor.]

I partly think Cabe might end up being not so important cast-wise (like I don't think he's joining the main cast; I think he'll only be slightly more important than Frost), but that he's a plot-device character to give Vegeta directions/act-as-a-tour-guide to get them to Planet Sadla.

So far he's been kind of Tarblesque in his personality (pleasant character, but also doesn't really stand out) ; the only big difference is he's strong enough to engage in battle and is not related to Vegeta.

Besides Frost and Hit, I think Cabba was the only one who felt like he'd stick around. Frost seemed like he'd become a part of the group when we thought he was good, but now that option's out of the window since it seems like he'll be dispatched of. Hit obviously feels like a major antagonist. Botamo and Magetta always felt like throwaway characters that will only be present in this tournament. I doubt we're only gonna be left with one recurring character (Hit), so I think Cabba will stay around.

[alakazam^]

Chapter 10 text highlights from 2ch:

* Cabba is surprised at Frost's final form. "Is that... Frost's true form?"
* Frost weaker than Freeza confirmed? "If you train, you can become stronger. That's how Freeza was."
* Frost doesn't play dumb to Goku after winning. "You're good, I have no idea what technique that was." "Thank you."
* Vegeta does not approve. "That's because you needlessly let your opponent attack and you ended up suffering brain damage or something, fool."

Goku and Piccolo have the same conversation.

* Piccolo is not happy fighting against final form Frost. "I'm sorry. If possible, I would like to keep winning this way until the end so I want to end this match/the matches as soon as possible."
* Champa and Vados have a keen eye. "He's... a Namekian, right?" "I wonder... He might be a little different..."
* Piccolo gets serious. "I'm not a Namekian, I'm the reincarnation of Piccolo Daimaou... I can't defeat you but there's also a way to not be defeated..."
* Vegeta and Goku got no hope. "But, as I thought, it's a one-way defensive battle... His stamina is also decreasing but Piccolo's is beyond that." "Well, even he [Frost] is getting a bit annoyed."
* Frost has had enough. "...No way I'll let this go further..."
* Champa is on Frost's side. "What are you saying? Frost is a proud hand-to-hand fighter!"
* Frost gets busted. "Since it was discovered, it can't be helped. Just be thankful that you weren't killed..."
* Frost can't stay quiet. "I just wanted to quickly end a tournament that doesn't even have a prize money."

The rest is pretty much the same as the episode. I think Toyotarou forgot Piccolo was still in the tournament, though...

[LightBing]

Cabba feels like he might play a guide role in Universe 6. He's the only one, besides Champa and Vados, that provides comments and reactions on the U6 bench. Plus the connection with Vegeta and Goku, which can be stretched further by Vegeta beating Frost down, since both parties have been deceived by him.

[ZombieVito]

Chapter 10 text highlights from 2ch:

* Cabba is surprised at Frost's final form. "Is that... Frost's true form?"
* Frost weaker than Freeza confirmed? "If you train, you can become stronger. That's how Freeza was."
* Frost doesn't play dumb to Goku after winning. "You're good, I have no idea what technique that was." "Thank you."
* Vegeta does not approve. "That's because you needlessly let your opponent attack and you ended up suffering brain damage or something, fool."

Goku and Piccolo have the same conversation.

* Piccolo is not happy fighting against final form Frost. "I'm sorry. If possible, I would like to keep winning this way until the end so I want to end this match/the matches as soon as possible."
* Champa and Vados have a keen eye. "He's... a Namekian, right?" "I wonder... He might be a little different..."
* Piccolo gets serious. "I'm not a Namekian, I'm the reincarnation of Piccolo Daimaou... I can't defeat you but there's also a way to not be defeated..."
* Vegeta and Goku got no hope. "But, as I thought, it's a one-way defensive battle... His stamina is also decreasing but Piccolo's is beyond that." "Well, even he [Frost] is getting a bit annoyed."
* Frost has had enough. "...No way I'll let this go further..."
* Champa is on Frost's side. "What are you saying? Frost is a proud hand-to-hand fighter!"
* Frost gets busted. "Since it was discovered, it can't be helped. Just be thankful that you weren't killed..."
* Frost can't stay quiet. "I just wanted to quickly end a tournament that doesn't even have a prize money."

The rest is pretty much the same as the episode. I think Toyotarou forgot Piccolo was still in the tournament, though...

Yeah, I think I'll wait for Herms on this one. This is completely different from the 2 translations I read.

There's also Piccolo saying he is not a Namekian, what the hell...

[dbzfan7]

Chapter 10 text highlights from 2ch:

* Cabba is surprised at Frost's final form. "Is that... Frost's true form?"
* Frost weaker than Freeza confirmed? "If you train, you can become stronger. That's how Freeza was."
* Frost doesn't play dumb to Goku after winning. "You're good, I have no idea what technique that was." "Thank you."
* Vegeta does not approve. "That's because you needlessly let your opponent attack and you ended up suffering brain damage or something, fool."

Goku and Piccolo have the same conversation.

* Piccolo is not happy fighting against final form Frost. "I'm sorry. If possible, I would like to keep winning this way until the end so I want to end this match/the matches as soon as possible."
* Champa and Vados have a keen eye. "He's... a Namekian, right?" "I wonder... He might be a little different..."
* Piccolo gets serious. "I'm not a Namekian, I'm the reincarnation of Piccolo Daimaou... I can't defeat you but there's also a way to not be defeated..."
* Vegeta and Goku got no hope. "But, as I thought, it's a one-way defensive battle... His stamina is also decreasing but Piccolo's is beyond that." "Well, even he [Frost] is getting a bit annoyed."
* Frost has had enough. "...No way I'll let this go further..."
* Champa is on Frost's side. "What are you saying? Frost is a proud hand-to-hand fighter!"
* Frost gets busted. "Since it was discovered, it can't be helped. Just be thankful that you weren't killed..."
* Frost can't stay quiet. "I just wanted to quickly end a tournament that doesn't even have a prize money."

The rest is pretty much the same as the episode. I think Toyotarou forgot Piccolo was still in the tournament, though...

If this is right, it's way more accurate than the crap the other was spouting. It's much closer to the anime.

[Lord Beerus]

Chapter 10 text highlights from 2ch:

* Cabba is surprised at Frost's final form. "Is that... Frost's true form?"
* Frost weaker than Freeza confirmed? "If you train, you can become stronger. That's how Freeza was."
* Frost doesn't play dumb to Goku after winning. "You're good, I have no idea what technique that was." "Thank you."
* Vegeta does not approve. "That's because you needlessly let your opponent attack and you ended up suffering brain damage or something, fool."

Goku and Piccolo have the same conversation.

* Piccolo is not happy fighting against final form Frost. "I'm sorry. If possible, I would like to keep winning this way until the end so I want to end this match/the matches as soon as possible."
* Champa and Vados have a keen eye. "He's... a Namekian, right?" "I wonder... He might be a little different..."
* Piccolo gets serious. "I'm not a Namekian, I'm the reincarnation of Piccolo Daimaou... I can't defeat you but there's also a way to not be defeated..."
* Vegeta and Goku got no hope. "But, as I thought, it's a one-way defensive battle... His stamina is also decreasing but Piccolo's is beyond that." "Well, even he [Frost] is getting a bit annoyed."
* Frost has had enough. "...No way I'll let this go further..."
* Champa is on Frost's side. "What are you saying? Frost is a proud hand-to-hand fighter!"
* Frost gets busted. "Since it was discovered, it can't be helped. Just be thankful that you weren't killed..."
* Frost can't stay quiet. "I just wanted to quickly end a tournament that doesn't even have a prize money."

The rest is pretty much the same as the episode. I think Toyotarou forgot Piccolo was still in the tournament, though...

Yeah, I think I'll wait for Herms on this one. This is completely different from the 2 translations I read.

There's also Piccolo saying he is not a Namekian, what the hell...

Piccolo saying he's not a Namekian made me laugh harder than it should have.

[JulieYBM]

There's also Piccolo saying he is not a Namekian, what the hell...

It's probably a callback to Dragon Ball Chapter #355.

“Same side?! Don’t get the wrong idea. Since when am I on your side! Don’t mock me!! I’m of the Demon Tribe. Don’t forget that I’m just using you to take over the world!!” Then Piccolo flies off, pissed. Tenshinhan remembers he’s Piccolo Daimaō, and says he’d completely forgotten, and can’t believe he’s still after world domination. Kuririn thinks he was lying though, and he’s really just like Goku or Vegeta — he just wants to be stronger than anyone else, so now he’s flown off for some last resort. Tenshinhan wonders about this last resort, and so Kuririn reminds him what’s in that direction he flew off in: God’s Palace. Kuririn remembers what the Eldest told him on Planet Namek, about how if God and Piccolo weren’t separate they wouldn’t have lost to the Saiyans. So Kuririn figures he’s going to go rejoin with God. If God and the Devil unite, they’ll become a Namekian warrior. With incredible abilities, kind of like how Goku is as a Super Saiyan, maybe he’d be a Super Namekian.