Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by JazzMazz » Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:18 am

To be honest, I feel like discussions about what Yamamuro is currently doing, interesting as they are, end up being nothing more than speculation due to the lack of information around him.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by Wezenheim » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:03 am

nite_jay wrote:Really liked the U6 arc animation discussion @Wezenheim and Ajay! It's a great watch if you need something to listen to while working on something.
Glad you liked it! It was a fun discussion for sure, looking forward to tackling the Future Trunks arc when we get the chance. I'll go ahead and leave this here for anyone who's interested and has time to spare!

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by JazzMazz » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:33 am

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nite_jay wrote:Really liked the U6 arc animation discussion @Wezenheim and Ajay! It's a great watch if you need something to listen to while working on something.
Glad you liked it! It was a fun discussion for sure, looking forward to tackling the Future Trunks arc when we get the chance. I'll go ahead and leave this here for anyone who's interested and has time to spare!
Yeah, I also really enjoyed the breakdown. The new format is interesting, though I wish the screen was slighty bigger. Overall, it was definitely your most concise arc breakdown yet and I'm looking forward to the future Trunks arc. I might also recommend that you include this filler arc into your next breakdown, otherwise it might be a tad short.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by Gashif Aldi » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:50 am

JazzMazz wrote:To be honest, I feel like discussions about what Yamamuro is currently doing, interesting as they are, end up being nothing more than speculation due to the lack of information around him.
If he does come back without good any changes, I'll be mad.
Because I'm actually ok with him supervising an episode of Super for those episodes that looked horrible. Atleast he should do 2nd Key Animation to help the series. And is Yammamuro a fast Animator? His work is pretty much consistent in episode 13. Also, why we're losing some staff? Even though, why we are losing many staff who always interfere the franchise like Yammamuro? Or some staff like animators, directors?
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by JazzMazz » Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:18 am

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JazzMazz wrote:To be honest, I feel like discussions about what Yamamuro is currently doing, interesting as they are, end up being nothing more than speculation due to the lack of information around him.
If he does come back without good any changes, I'll be mad.
Because I'm actually ok with him supervising an episode of Super for those episodes that looked horrible. Atleast he should do 2nd Key Animation to help the series. And is Yammamuro a fast Animator? His work is pretty much consistent in episode 13. Also, why we're losing some staff? Even though, why we are losing many staff who always interfere the franchise like Yammamuro? Or some staff like animators, directors?
I'm not sure if his a fast animator or not, but I'm pretty sure #13 looked consistent because you really don't need to do loads of corrections when all the staff on the episode are mimicking your style.(His recent cover art for the blu-rays haven't been terrible)

I'm pretty sure staff are leaving because they simply cannot be stuffed working on a series with a production enviroment as bad as Supers. Most of those that leave usually have a good enough reputation to find something else to do.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 69

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ArchedThunder wrote:Ever since you pointed out Yokoyama's style like 12 or so weeks ago I've really fallen in love, it reminds me of a more Z like interpretation of Tsuji. I hope that the next person to get promoted to supervisor is her, of course that would mean she'd have to stop working on One Piece and who knows if she'd want to do that, but the pay increase might be enough to persuade her. I love how cocky Goku looks in that first shot.
Also are you sure that Cabbe shot is her? I mean I can see it in the ear, but the face looks so much like Yashima's Cabbe that I have a hard time seeing that face being a correction from her.

Same. I also Really want her to become a key animator or something. But she works on one piece as a key animator

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by Gashif Aldi » Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:58 am

JazzMazz wrote:
Gashif Aldi wrote:
JazzMazz wrote:To be honest, I feel like discussions about what Yamamuro is currently doing, interesting as they are, end up being nothing more than speculation due to the lack of information around him.
If he does come back without good any changes, I'll be mad.
Because I'm actually ok with him supervising an episode of Super for those episodes that looked horrible. Atleast he should do 2nd Key Animation to help the series. And is Yammamuro a fast Animator? His work is pretty much consistent in episode 13. Also, why we're losing some staff? Even though, why we are losing many staff who always interfere the franchise like Yammamuro? Or some staff like animators, directors?
I'm not sure if his a fast animator or not, but I'm pretty sure #13 looked consistent because you really don't need to do loads of corrections when all the staff on the episode are mimicking your style.(His recent cover art for the blu-rays haven't been terrible)

I'm pretty sure staff are leaving because they simply cannot be stuffed working on a series with a production enviroment as bad as Supers. Most of those that leave usually have a good enough reputation to find something else to do.
Well, what about Yammamuro? I mean he could really help the series now. But, if they are really working a movie (since it looked like we're getting a movie every 2 years) isn't it hurting the series? If it does, why the heck would they make a movie?
Those staff can help DBS schedule, I mean more animators would mean equals more breathing room for the other animators right?
Are the schedule a huge stress/really bad for the animators?

Hmmm... How many weeks does One Piece, PreCure, and TOEI animes takes?

I hope they can actually return the schedule to normal before the series ended. Because everytime I watch animes like OPM or good animated anime, it just reminds me how DBS looked like if it's normal scheduled. Just imagine if the schedule is normal, a lots of animators would work there because of the popularity and other factor.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by dhaval_dongre » Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:39 am

JazzMazz wrote: I'm pretty sure staff are leaving because they simply cannot be stuffed working on a series with a production enviroment as bad as Supers. Most of those that leave usually have a good enough reputation to find something else to do.
Not necessarily. Well former series director Chioka might have left because of the bad schedule, but when it comes to animators I don't think anyone from Toei will refuse to work because the schedule isn't good. You might have seen some people go because they might have been freelancers. I remember one animator(I forgot his name) was working on Super as well as My Hero Academia. He was switching back and forth between both series (Though I am unsure whether he was from Wanpack or a freelancer). So I dont think inhouse Toei will refuse to work on the series because of the poor schedule. For freelancers the case might be different. The best e.g. is Tate, I mean he is probably one of the worst guys that got affected because of the schedule plus he is a very talented animator, but he is still working on the series. And during the FT arc we actually got Shida working on the series for the first time, moreover we also saw Ken Otsuka return. Both of them have confirmed that they are going to work on the series in the future, so we have the opposite really, we are finally getting some important animators to work on the series. Karasawa and Higashide were working on World Trigger and as soon as it ended they were assigned to work on Super. They joined Super during the initial half of the U6 arc, plus we also have Studio Wanpack working on the series. Super has had between 20 -25 different Supervisors. I haven't been even keeping track of it anymore. So Super actually started off pretty bad and is now in its recovery stage. I hope we get an addition of more talented animators, so that the schedule can return to normalcy.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by ArchedThunder » Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:08 am

Saikyo no Senshi wrote:What are the chances that Hatano Morio is busy planning a new movie? I mean it's possible, right? If One Piece is anything to go by when a director left or was 2nd credited, he was busy working on a movie.
I'm thinking Morio is working on the next Toriyama arc while Kohei is doing this Hit filler arc.
Gashif Aldi wrote: Also, why we're losing some staff? Even though, why we are losing many staff who always interfere the franchise like Yammamuro? Or some staff like animators, directors?
We've actually only lost a small handful of staff (In the past six months) and most of them went Toei's two new shows, Tiger Mask and Digimon Appli Monsters. Toei only has so many people and with Super having the worst production out of their "never ending" series it makes sense that some people would jump ship to another show, even if it only lasts a few cours. Tiger mask is only 39 episodes and Appli Monsters is probably 39-52 so hopefully Super gets a nice shot in the arm when those shows end and that will be more likely to happen if this filler arc exists to buy time for the production of Toriyama's arc, improving things for those that work on the show and giving them much greater freedom on scheduling animators. Even if they end up having to do 12 or so episodes of the next Toriyama arc with the existing staff just having scripts and storyboards much further ahead of their current schedule will make it so much easier to grab animators and supervisors after Tiger Mask ends at the half way point in 2017 (and from Digimon when that ends) and it will be easier to keep them on instead of them leaving after a few episodes like how we saw with a lot of staff from Kindachi and World Trigger come on to Super temporarily after those shows ended before joining Tiger Mask and Digimon early in their production.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by Saikyo no Senshi » Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:59 am

Knowing Toei Animation's reputation full well I'm pretty sure they're going to produce more titles next year, so expect Super to be affected by that.

I heard that a new Saint Seiya anime is going to release next year, but it could just be a rumor. Can anyone confirm if it's true or not?

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Saikyo no Senshi wrote:Knowing Toei Animation's reputation full well I'm pretty sure they're going to produce more titles next year, so expect Super to be affected by that.

I heard that a new Saint Seiya anime is going to release next year, but it could just be a rumor. Can anyone confirm if it's true or not?
I'm hoping that Super bringing in more money than many of their shows combined will lead them to only start one show after Tiger Mask and Digimon end, and I'm hoping that on top of that the show's production will be a a better place thanks to this filler arc buying time making it easier for them to keep the people they grab from Tiger Mask and Digimon to hopefully get the staff size in a good place like One Piece.
The first thing is wishful thinking, but that second one seems fairly possible with them doing this filler arc.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

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ArchedThunder wrote:
Saikyo no Senshi wrote:Knowing Toei Animation's reputation full well I'm pretty sure they're going to produce more titles next year, so expect Super to be affected by that.

I heard that a new Saint Seiya anime is going to release next year, but it could just be a rumor. Can anyone confirm if it's true or not?
I'm hoping that Super bringing in more money than many of their shows combined will lead them to only start one show after Tiger Mask and Digimon end, and I'm hoping that on top of that the show's production will be a a better place thanks to this filler arc buying time making it easier for them to keep the people they grab from Tiger Mask and Digimon to hopefully get the staff size in a good place like One Piece.
The first thing is wishful thinking, but that second one seems fairly possible with them doing this filler arc.

I Really want them to take atleast a 3 month break to get everything together



But i dont think i can handle no super for 3 months :lol:

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by ArchedThunder » Mon Dec 12, 2016 12:24 pm

iAnimationLover_ wrote: I Really want them to take atleast a 3 month break to get everything together



But i dont think i can handle no super for 3 months :lol:
Outside of the show ending and a sequel starting 3 months later (And if Super ends and is quickly followed up it will probably be the very next week, not months later) the closest thing we'll get to a 3 month break is a filler arc like we seem to be getting.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by FortuneSSJ » Mon Dec 12, 2016 1:39 pm

-Episode 70-

Loved it.
Everything looked good. Beerus vs Champa fight was greatly animated and everytime I see even a little of blood in Super, I tear up.

Why the first part of FT Trunks arc last episode couldn't look this polished? Damn it Toei. :cry:
I hope they do some corrections in BD release.

Next week Shimanuki is back. And then Karasawa. Looks like they will make justice to Goku vs Hit.

- Yoshitaka Toshio-

(Taking this from my comment on other thread)

It's not my favourite filler episode of super, because Goku vs Fake Monaka exists and that one was perfect. But I guess it gets the second spot.
Interestingly enough, looks like both were written by Yoshitaka Toshio. He also wrote other awesome episodes like episode 37 (Vegeta vs Cabba), episode 57 (SSB Goku/SSJ FT Trunks vs SSR Black/Zamasu) and episode 63 (SSB Vegeta vs SSR Black second round) with the former two being two of my favourite episodes of Super.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by Sodhi » Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:39 pm

Saikyo no Senshi wrote: I heard that a new Saint Seiya anime is going to release next year, but it could just be a rumor. Can anyone confirm if it's true or not?
They have a special announcement on December 19th. We will know what it is about then.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/daily-b ... 19/.109005

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by ArchedThunder » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:02 pm

Sodhi wrote:
Saikyo no Senshi wrote: I heard that a new Saint Seiya anime is going to release next year, but it could just be a rumor. Can anyone confirm if it's true or not?
They have a special announcement on December 19th. We will know what it is about then.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/daily-b ... 19/.109005
If it is a new show I hope it doesn't start till cour 3 or 4 of the year and is the only new show Toei starts in 2017. I'll laugh/cry if this is why Hatano Morio is no longer the only credited series director.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by BakaManiaHD » Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:11 pm

Sorry if this is a little bit off topic, but do you guys know who places the music? Because I love the fact Dragon Ball Super is now using some Dragon Ball Kai soundtracks.
Maybe they were tired of hearing the same music all the time?
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by kinisking » Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:38 pm

This might sound ignorant but maybe it's the new director? If he causes Super to have more blood and music then I'm all for him.
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Post by JulieYBM » Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:49 pm

BakaManiaHD wrote:Sorry if this is a little bit off topic, but do you guys know who places the music? Because I love the fact Dragon Ball Super is now using some Dragon Ball Kai soundtracks.
Maybe they were tired of hearing the same music all the time?
The audio director does based on notes from the storyboard and episode director.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 70

Post by Araki » Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:43 pm

Sodhi wrote:
Saikyo no Senshi wrote: I heard that a new Saint Seiya anime is going to release next year, but it could just be a rumor. Can anyone confirm if it's true or not?
They have a special announcement on December 19th. We will know what it is about then.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/daily-b ... 19/.109005
It seems that announcement will be related to Saintia Sho in particular, a spin-off, so even if it's a new anime it still could go to a different studio - Toei owns the rights for the classic series, only.
Last Week, Toei Animation's president Kozo Morishita was in a brazillian convention and said their most advanced SS project was a live-action movie (no word was said about Sho).

Either way, that's almost irrelevant for Super. Saint Seiya or not, Toei always has a bunch of shows/movies being produced at the same time, it's a waste of time to worry about it.
DBS would certainly be affected by a new Dragon Ball movie...otherwise, it makes little difference.
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