"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[BlueBasilisk]

If Jiren starts to move, Goku will probably intercept him and the two of them will be too occupied with each other to worry about fodder. Toppo may prove to be the more dangerous threat as Goku wasn't sure he could beat him which leaves a pretty small pool of people who could challenge him head-on.

I'm more concerned about Frieza and Frost. The two of them have been way too quiet and they've yet to put their alliance into effect. Frost has been completely MIA since 99. Jiren will be the main event for sure but I have a feeling the twinpops will make their move at the end and become the actual villains of the arc.

[perucho1990]

If Jiren starts to move, Goku will probably intercept him and the two of them will be too occupied with each other to worry about fodder. Toppo may prove to be the more dangerous threat as Goku wasn't sure he could beat him which leaves a pretty small pool of people who could challenge him head-on.

I'm more concerned about Frieza and Frost. The two of them have been way too quiet and they've yet to put their alliance into effect. Frost has been completely MIA since 99. Jiren will be the main event for sure but I have a feeling the twinpops will make their move at the end and become the actual villains of the arc.

According to Heroes, Freeza is supposed to job to Jiren before Goku gets to fight him. They have been accurate in spoiling anime stuff.

[CJStriker_CBR]

If Jiren starts to move, Goku will probably intercept him and the two of them will be too occupied with each other to worry about fodder. Toppo may prove to be the more dangerous threat as Goku wasn't sure he could beat him which leaves a pretty small pool of people who could challenge him head-on.

I'm more concerned about Frieza and Frost. The two of them have been way too quiet and they've yet to put their alliance into effect. Frost has been completely MIA since 99. Jiren will be the main event for sure but I have a feeling the twinpops will make their move at the end and become the actual villains of the arc.

A Radical Thing they can do will Frieza and Frost to be the Final Villains in this is maybe they call out that they are Turning on their Universes and succeeding to go to Fight for Another. Heck the Zeno's seem to allow allot of things to happen, they most likely be ok with this cause it is Cool and Dramatic!

They could leave to Join a Universe 4 cause their G~o~D offers something for them to get his Universe back in this Fight, just some headcannon of mine of interesting stories that can happen. Also, they could have a Fusion between the 2 as well, how they fuse would be interesting, but it would make for a powerful Final Villain and turn the ToP Upside down on its head.

Again just a fun Fan Headcannon idea on how Frost and Frieza can become the Final Big Bad of this.

[HeroR]

I just don't interpret it this way and I dont see the logic either due there being 40 fighters currently left. Your examples only include 2 fighters and that is the difference and it will just look stupid if 30 fighters dropped out in the next few episodes.

Most of the 40 remaining fighters are fodder so it really makes no different if they stick around. Also, an entire universe got erased in a span of one episode, U11 lost over half its members in two episodes, and U4 just lost three this episode and lost two before to Krillin. 103 also had four knockouts. So not sure why dozens dropping over the course of a few episodes to showcase the Pride Troopers being badasses or just the other universes deciding to step up their game doesn't make sense.

If Jiren starts to move, Goku will probably intercept him and the two of them will be too occupied with each other to worry about fodder. Toppo may prove to be the more dangerous threat as Goku wasn't sure he could beat him which leaves a pretty small pool of people who could challenge him head-on.

I'm more concerned about Frieza and Frost. The two of them have been way too quiet and they've yet to put their alliance into effect. Frost has been completely MIA since 99. Jiren will be the main event for sure but I have a feeling the twinpops will make their move at the end and become the actual villains of the arc.

That wasn't what Goku said. He told Vegeta that may not been able to beat Toppo with Blue, which isn't all he have.

[SansrivaaL]

To add my two cents, I think Jiren's overall play was to lay low and let the fodder fight, wear themselves down, maybe get lucky and take out people with broken abilities like what Roshi is doing, and when time is almost up clean house. His fellow Pride Troopers were also on fodder duty outside of Jiren and Dypso who was more active and seemed to be targeting powerhouses like Hit.

I still think it wouldnt be a stretch to say he can just literally slide up on them and flick them out of the ring would be possible as he is hyped to be above SSJBKK, to make him look like an actual threat or take out a lot of strong fighters, but I guess if thats how his mentality works then... fine, all the more makes him boring.

However, since they're down to three, this could cause a change in plans which could lead to him wiping most of the tournament himself with Toppo. Now this may not happened and maybe he will just go after Goku, which wouldn't be good Imo since Jiren had no real build-up outside of the outside marketing. In-universe, his only real feat is one-shotting Kale who wasn't even in her right mind and wasn't even directly attack him so you can make the entire 'off-guard, argument'. If Jiren does go after Goku right away, he will probably be the weakest main rival, threat, wall, ect in the series when you compared to other characters. Even Hit, who had a short time between his introduction and his fight with Goku, had Frost and then Vegeta to showcase his strength.

Exactly how I see it as he didnt get any sort of build up in universe, and yeah theres the chance that they dont have him do that, the problem then would be "Worst main antagonist" will be labeled on him, calling him boring would be an understatemnt at that point.

With all that said, I personally have more gripe with Toppo who sent his men to their doom twice when he could have handled the situation himself. He should have jumped in to help Dypso and the other Pride Trooper the moment Goku tagged in and he should have taken out Goku with Jiren in Episode 101 instead of sending five Pride Troopers who could have been wiped by Goku if he went to his full power. I mean, two of them didn't even do any major damage to base form Goku.

While I am surprised with that as well my main problem is still Jiren, he even looked frustrated when he saw Hit slowly getting used to Dyspo, but still did nothing, does he even know Goku and Hit are the ace of their respective universe? I hope not, cause if he does and he literally just wasted the opportunity to knock out 2 ace that can bring their team down due to losing them then...

[GodKaio-Ken]

We already know Jiren is more powerful than any of those people. The entire point of holding him back is to make you wonder how strong he really is.

Its It's basically the same treatment Frieza received before he finally took on a few people.

None of those examples, except Cell, was a main villain who just right away wrecked everyone and even Cell didnt didn't do that until he obtained his perfect form. Even Buu kept to himself a good while.

[Big Black Sayian]

So the climax is gonna be Jiren vs Goku or Jiren vs Goku with other characters continue to fight.

[perucho1990]

悟飯とピッコロが敵の狙撃手に狙われる。敵の姿は見当たらず、気を感じることもできない。追い詰められる2人を、悟空、ベジータ、天津飯が救出に動

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Piccolo and Gohan get rescued by Goku,Vegeta and Tien.

[HeroR]

To add my two cents, I think Jiren's overall play was to lay low and let the fodder fight, wear themselves down, maybe get lucky and take out people with broken abilities like what Roshi is doing, and when time is almost up clean house. His fellow Pride Troopers were also on fodder duty outside of Jiren and Dypso who was more active and seemed to be targeting powerhouses like Hit.

I still think it wouldnt be a stretch to say he can just literally slide up on them and flick them out of the ring would be possible as he is hyped to be above SSJBKK, to make him look like an actual threat or take out a lot of strong fighters, but I guess if thats how his mentality works then... fine, all the more makes him boring.

However, since they're down to three, this could cause a change in plans which could lead to him wiping most of the tournament himself with Toppo. Now this may not happened and maybe he will just go after Goku, which wouldn't be good Imo since Jiren had no real build-up outside of the outside marketing. In-universe, his only real feat is one-shotting Kale who wasn't even in her right mind and wasn't even directly attack him so you can make the entire 'off-guard, argument'. If Jiren does go after Goku right away, he will probably be the weakest main rival, threat, wall, ect in the series when you compared to other characters. Even Hit, who had a short time between his introduction and his fight with Goku, had Frost and then Vegeta to showcase his strength.

Exactly how I see it as he didnt get any sort of build up in universe, and yeah theres the chance that they dont have him do that, the problem then would be "Worst main antagonist" will be labeled on him, calling him boring would be an understatemnt at that point.

With all that said, I personally have more gripe with Toppo who sent his men to their doom twice when he could have handled the situation himself. He should have jumped in to help Dypso and the other Pride Trooper the moment Goku tagged in and he should have taken out Goku with Jiren in Episode 101 instead of sending five Pride Troopers who could have been wiped by Goku if he went to his full power. I mean, two of them didn't even do any major damage to base form Goku.

While I am surprised with that as well my main problem is still Jiren, he even looked frustrated when he saw Hit slowly getting used to Dyspo, but still did nothing, does he even know Goku and Hit are the ace of their respective universe? I hope not, cause if he does and he literally just wasted the opportunity to knock out 2 ace that can bring their team down due to losing them then...

Goku, Vegeta, Golden Freeza, Gohan, and 17 can do the exact same thing, yet don't. 17 is even worse in this regard since he literally used no stamina so he can waste all the fodder on the field and not waste a drop of energy. So this isn't unique to Jiren. Which is why I don't believe that Jiren will just fight Goku since they literally could have just done that when the tournament started and have them fight throughout the tournament like Lucci vs. Luffy from One Piece.

He knows that Hit is the ace since U11's gods knows. I can see him not interfering with Hit just so he can see how his techniques work and all its weaknesses. Hit has shown that he can defeat people who are physically stronger than him and Dypso got wasted because he underestimated Hit despite understanding how the Time-Skip works. He could also be making the same observation of Goku, although with Toppo it isn't as needed since he has seen Goku's most powerful techniques.

[Chuquita]

悟飯とピッコロが敵の狙撃手に狙われる。敵の姿は見当たらず、気を感じることもできない。追い詰められる2人を、悟空、ベジータ、天津飯が救出に動

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Piccolo and Gohan get rescued by Goku,Vegeta and Tien.

There being so much of Team 7 in one fight makes me think some of them might get rung out this weekend.

[Lord Beerus]

If Jiren starts to move, Goku will probably intercept him and the two of them will be too occupied with each other to worry about fodder. Toppo may prove to be the more dangerous threat as Goku wasn't sure he could beat him which leaves a pretty small pool of people who could challenge him head-on.

I'm more concerned about Frieza and Frost. The two of them have been way too quiet and they've yet to put their alliance into effect. Frost has been completely MIA since 99. Jiren will be the main event for sure but I have a feeling the twinpops will make their move at the end and become the actual villains of the arc.

According to Heroes, Freeza is supposed to job to Jiren before Goku gets to fight him. They have been accurate in spoiling anime stuff.

I wouldn't put any stock into what Heroes shits out. It produces fantasy match ups in its promotional videos to pimp out cards to kids.

[Ki Breaker]

悟飯とピッコロが敵の狙撃手に狙われる。敵の姿は見当たらず、気を感じることもできない。追い詰められる2人を、悟空、ベジータ、天津飯が救出に動

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Piccolo and Gohan get rescued by Goku,Vegeta and Tien.

Goddamit Gohan, Piccolo what is this..?
Gohan should have been able to handle it himself, bullshit..
I too think it's done so that team 7 have some moments together before they are taken out..
But really, It's awesome Tien's helping them, it would be better if Goku and Vegeta didn't butt in here as well..

[CJStriker_CBR]

悟飯とピッコロが敵の狙撃手に狙われる。敵の姿は見当たらず、気を感じることもできない。追い詰められる2人を、悟空、ベジータ、天津飯が救出に動

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Piccolo and Gohan get rescued by Goku,Vegeta and Tien.

There being so much of Team 7 in one fight makes me think some of them might get rung out this weekend.

I am Beveling Tien after being a major factor in saving his teammates will be Ringed-Out, we have gone on for Far to long without a U7 Ring-Out.

I also have to say I feel bad for Krillin being up their all alone since Episode 99!

[namekiansaiyan]

悟飯とピッコロが敵の狙撃手に狙われる。敵の姿は見当たらず、気を感じることもできない。追い詰められる2人を、悟空、ベジータ、天津飯が救出に動

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Piccolo and Gohan get rescued by Goku,Vegeta and Tien.

You mean they are going to make Gohan and Piccolo look crap. Tien is going to be there for 20 seconds while Goku amlnd Vegeta get all the action. It is a disgrace.

Piccolo gets a 15 second fight and an episode where he needs rescuing. What a load of crap, Piccolo and Gohan should be taking out these fighters with 1 hit.

[BlueBasilisk]

That wasn't what Goku said. He told Vegeta that may not been able to beat Toppo with Blue, which isn't all he have.

It poses the same problem if Goku isn't the one fighting Toppo. Frieza and Blue Goku knocked each other out in one blow. Unless there's someone with tricky techniques who can counter him, that leaves Vegeta, Hit, and maybe Kale at maximum power out of the warriors that we've seen. Gohan could probably give him a decent challenge but I don't think he'd win 1v1.

[Hawk9211]

I really hope that whoever goes out in next episode is not a big green man,the best candidate to be rung out would be number 18 imo.
@HeroR
So you were basically arguing about definition of climax?

[HeroR]

We already know Jiren is more powerful than any of those people. The entire point of holding him back is to make you wonder how strong he really is.

Its It's basically the same treatment Frieza received before he finally took on a few people.

None of those examples, except Cell, was a main villain who just right away wrecked everyone and even Cell didnt didn't do that until he obtained his perfect form. Even Buu kept to himself a good while.

As was pointed out, Freeza got a lot of word-of-month build up before he did anything and the backed it up. The same holds true with the Saiyans. We had Raditz who hyped up Nappa and Vegeta by basically being fodder who made the Earth's strongest fighters look like pansies.

The problem with Jiren is that only really Toppo hyped him up by saying 'if you're even with me, you can't be Jiren'. Which would have been more powerful if Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku didn't completely outmatched Toppo and all we have are statements that Toppo was probably above Goku using a base Kaioken with his god form. If Toppo had forced Goku to used the Kaioken and gave him a tough match to the point of edgy Goku before Goku gave his 'break his limits' line, then Jiren would looked extremely powerful since Goku had to used his strongest technique and was barely even.

It also really doesn't help that Toppo seems to keep underestimating Goku since, why would he send five Pride Troopers who could have been wasted in seconds by Goku using Blue when he could have done it himself with Jiren and knock him out early. And why didn't Toppo do anything when Goku jump in to help Hit since that one Pride Trooper was clearly weaker than Goku and Dyspo had his hands full with Hit?

I really hope that whoever goes out in next episode is not a big green man,the best candidate to be rung out would be number 18 imo.
@HeroR
So you were basically arguing about definition of climax?

I was attacked for given what a climax was, especially in the context of Dragon Ball. For that, I got called a Goku Wanker. *shrug*

[LowRyder2005]

The producer says it is the start of the big battles leading to the climax not the actual climax.

Per the producer, the DBS special will mark the start of the tournament's climax, as Goku starts to fight Jiren.

Goku vs. Jiren is the start of the climax, not leading into it. Just as Goku vs. Hit was the climax of the Champa Saga or Merged Zamasu merging with the climax of the Future Trunks Saga. Battling towards the climax is short-term for the final. Using Future Trunks Saga again, the start of the climax was Merged Zamasu creation, the actual climax was Future Trunks destroying Merged Zamasu's body, the finale was Zen'o wasting him.

Are you that ignorant or dont you get the difference between the climax and an ending.
The Buu Arc had several climax (Vegetas Sacrifice, Gotenks and later Mystic Gohan vs Super Buu, Vegito vs Buuhan, Goku and Vegeta vs Kid Buu)

And yes Goku Fanboys usually get very defensive when someone criticise their hero.

Just to clarify, since no one except the accused did.

1. Yes, he got the definition of "narrative climax" right.
2. You seem to have no idea of what is humanity's commonly accepted view of what "a climax" is in a narrative sense. There is *one* climax in a given plot, which is boiling point where the tension peaks en route towards the story's resolution ("resolution", a.k.a. what common folk'd call "the ending").
3. By the way, Shakespeare, you also got the plural wrong (multiple climax "climaxes").
4. You got the wrong spelling, have the wrong concept in mind, your orthography is virtually non-existant and there you go name calling on the internet in almost every single way possible with your first choice being "ignorant", while proceeding to give dish out a flush of woefully wrong examples. I hope you're really young - despite your claims - and fucking with us, or you'd be the kind of adult guy who makes me contemplate the need of a bar exam for internet social access.
5. I was gonna gladly report you, but it looks like you left the mods with a heap of already-reported posts, anyway. To reiterate the examples above, I think your heated exchange oughta climax in a temporary or permanent ban. HeroR has been far too patient putting a diplomatic front with all your immature (and yep, I'm afraid "ignorant" is appropriate) quibbling, I would've lost my shit much sooner.

And they say Kanzenshuu doesn't have it's funny moments.

Ironic, at most. I felt this was pretty saddening if anything, especially if the guy in question is as "older than the average user" as he claims to be and he's not putting up a particularly dull troll act.

[Whatever]

悟飯とピッコロが敵の狙撃手に狙われる。敵の姿は見当たらず、気を感じることもできない。追い詰められる2人を、悟空、ベジータ、天津飯が救出に動

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Piccolo and Gohan get rescued by Goku,Vegeta and Tien.

Goddamit Gohan, Piccolo what is this..?
Gohan should have been able to handle it himself, bullshit..
I too think it's done so that team 7 have some moments together before they are taken out..
But really, It's awesome Tien's helping them, it would be better if Goku and Vegeta didn't butt in here as well..

Gohan cannot solve this without his tank and counter 'strategy'?What are you talking about man?
Also Gohan struggling with another fodder clearly confirms he is gonna defeat Jiren and win the tournament,how can't you see it?

[namekiansaiyan]

悟飯とピッコロが敵の狙撃手に狙われる。敵の姿は見当たらず、気を感じることもできない。追い詰められる2人を、悟空、ベジータ、天津飯が救出に動

http://www.fujitv.co.jp/b_hp/dragonball ... index.html

Piccolo and Gohan get rescued by Goku,Vegeta and Tien.

Goddamit Gohan, Piccolo what is this..?
Gohan should have been able to handle it himself, bullshit..
I too think it's done so that team 7 have some moments together before they are taken out..
But really, It's awesome Tien's helping them, it would be better if Goku and Vegeta didn't butt in here as well..

It is ridiculous that they need help from Goku or Vegeta. Tien's role will be to find the sniper and that is it. Gohan and Piccolo are going to look like complete incompetent fighters and obviously fans of these 2 will not like it.

Gohan cannot solve it is without his tank and counter strategy?What are you talking about man?
Also Gohan struggling with another fodder clearly confirms he is gonna defeat Jiren and win the tournament,how can't you see it?

Why is Piccolo struggling then?