"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[kinisking]

I just don't understand why Goku and Vegeta have to steal the spotlight. With Vegeta, it's not as bad but give Goku a break man. This should be Tiens win if anything .

[HeroR]

That wasn't what Goku said. He told Vegeta that may not been able to beat Toppo with Blue, which isn't all he have.

It poses the same problem if Goku isn't the one fighting Toppo. Frieza and Blue Goku knocked each other out in one blow. Unless there's someone with tricky techniques who can counter him, that leaves Vegeta, Hit, and maybe Kale at maximum power out of the warriors that we've seen. Gohan could probably give him a decent challenge but I don't think he'd win 1v1.

I think it comes down to three things.

1. Vegeta as a Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is stronger than Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku like some fans believe.

2. Goku was purposely overhyping Toppo to get Vegeta excited.

3. Both of the above.

[GodKaio-Ken]

We already know Jiren is more powerful than any of those people. The entire point of holding him back is to make you wonder how strong he really is.

Its It's basically the same treatment Frieza received before he finally took on a few people.

None of those examples, except Cell, was a main villain who just right away wrecked everyone and even Cell didnt didn't do that until he obtained his perfect form. Even Buu kept to himself a good while.

As was pointed out, Freeza got a lot of word-of-month build up before he did anything and the backed it up. The same holds true with the Saiyans. We had Raditz who hyped up Nappa and Vegeta by basically being fodder who made the Earth's strongest fighters look like pansies.

The problem with Jiren is that only really Toppo hyped him up by saying 'if you're even with me, you can't be Jiren'. Which would have been more powerful if Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku didn't completely outmatched Toppo and all we have are statements that Toppo was probably above Goku using a base Kaioken with his god form. If Toppo had forced Goku to used the Kaioken and gave him a tough match to the point of edgy Goku before Goku gave his 'break his limits' line, then Jiren would looked extremely powerful since Goku had to used his strongest technique and was barely even.

It also really doesn't help that Toppo seems to keep underestimating Goku since, why would he send five Pride Troopers who could have been wasted in seconds by Goku using Blue when he could have done it himself with Jiren and knock him out early. And why didn't Toppo do anything when Goku jump in to help Hit since that one Pride Trooper was clearly weaker than Goku and Dyspo had his hands full with Hit?

Fwiw I agree with those points about Toppo and wonder myself. My theory is he thought their abilities would be enough and didnt anticipate Kale or Caulifla. Still bad judgement.

Also not saying Jiren has been handled well, just saying we should wait a little bit. They did this with Hit too...this just feels more lame since its a battle royale.

[namekiansaiyan]

I just don't understand why Goku and Vegeta have to steal the spotlight. With Vegeta, it's not as bad but give Goku a break man. This should be Tiens win if anything .

They are just taking away fights from 3 characters who need some. It just makes me dislike Goku and Vegeta even more.

[Ki Breaker]

悟飯とピッコロが敵の狙撃手に狙われる。敵の姿は見当たらず、気を感じることもできない。追い詰められる2人を、悟空、ベジータ、天津飯が救出に動

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Piccolo and Gohan get rescued by Goku,Vegeta and Tien.

Goddamit Gohan, Piccolo what is this..?
Gohan should have been able to handle it himself, bullshit..
I too think it's done so that team 7 have some moments together before they are taken out..
But really, It's awesome Tien's helping them, it would be better if Goku and Vegeta didn't butt in here as well..

Gohan cannot solve this without his tank and counter 'strategy'?What are you talking about man?
Also Gohan struggling with another fodder clearly confirms he is gonna defeat Jiren and win the tournament,how can't you see it?

Plot..
He is being NERFED! REVENGE!!
That's all I have to say..

I just don't understand why Goku and Vegeta have to steal the spotlight. With Vegeta, it's not as bad but give Goku a break man. This should be Tiens win if anything .

Seriously, why do they need those guys, it's not like the enemy needs their strength to be defeated..
Ultimate Gohan should be more than enough when Tien finds and hopefully wounds the enemy, add piccolo to the mixture as well if you want..
There is no need for those two to butt in..

[Big Black Sayian]

I just don't understand why Goku and Vegeta have to steal the spotlight. With Vegeta, it's not as bad but give Goku a break man. This should be Tiens win if anything .

They are just taking away fights from 3 characters who need some. It just makes me dislike Goku and Vegeta even more.

Hold your horses folks. They may help but Tien may get the elimination

[perucho1990]

Vegeta hasnt appeared in the show since episode 102, and his only memorable moment in the ToP has been episode 98.(his fight vs Cabba was offscreened)

I agree that it would make Piccolo look like garbage if Base Goku and Base Vegeta defeat those 2 U2 warriors. Gohan was seen in base in the PV.

Btw whatever happened to Piccolos excellent ears that could detect any presence or sound.

[Ki Breaker]

I just don't understand why Goku and Vegeta have to steal the spotlight. With Vegeta, it's not as bad but give Goku a break man. This should be Tiens win if anything .

They are just taking away fights from 3 characters who need some. It just makes me dislike Goku and Vegeta even more.

Hold your horses folks. They may help but Tien may get the elimination

Really? Because it looks to me like they are firing Galick gun Kamehameha combo nep and ignoring that they will have tien take him out?
The chances are very low..

[HeroR]

I just don't understand why Goku and Vegeta have to steal the spotlight. With Vegeta, it's not as bad but give Goku a break man. This should be Tiens win if anything .

Because Gohan can't do anything without daddy and Uncle Vegeta hold his hand. (says this in English dub Super Buu's voice)

Jokes aside, we don't know the context in which Gohan and Piccolo are saved. They could be hold down and unable to move because they're being shot at like D-Day.

Fwiw I agree with those points about Toppo and wonder myself. My theory is he thought their abilities would be enough and didnt anticipate Kale or Caulifla. Still bad judgement.

Also not saying Jiren has been handled well, just saying we should wait a little bit. They did this with Hit too...this just feels more lame since its a battle royale.

I agree. Until Goku and Jiren trade hands, I am keeping an opened mind about Jiren. Like, I didn't honestly care about Hit at first since he's the archetype silent badass that is old hat at this point, but the way he developed during his fight with Goku made me really like him.

[Lord Beerus]

I'm certain there is way more to the story that what the preview is giving (as usual). Let's not jump the gun from one line of text. The fandom is very guilty of doing this and have often had misleading expectations because of it (which have mostly been proven to be wrong). I mean, a lot of people thought Caulifla was going to become a Super Saiyan Blue and we all know how much that never happened.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

"On 10/7, get ready for a huge Dragon Ball Super one-hour special! More details to come soon!"
[spoiler][/spoiler]
https://twitter.com/FUNimation/status/9 ... 7327582208

[namekiansaiyan]

I just don't understand why Goku and Vegeta have to steal the spotlight. With Vegeta, it's not as bad but give Goku a break man. This should be Tiens win if anything .

They are just taking away fights from 3 characters who need some. It just makes me dislike Goku and Vegeta even more.

Hold your horses folks. They may help but Tien may get the elimination

It won't happen, neither Tien or Piccolo have even thrown a punch in this tournament yet and they just exaggerated Gohan's fights to make them look dramatic when they were not.

I couldn't believe that preview due to the lack of action for Piccolo, Tien and Gohan.

I'm certain there is way more to the story that what the preview is giving. Let's not jump the gun from one line of text. The fandom is very guilty of doing this and have often had misleading expectations because of it. I mean, a lot of people thought Caulifla was going to become a Super Saiyan Blue and we all know how much that never happened.

Such as what? We only see Piccolo and Gohan looking crap while Goku and Vegeta are teaming up. Tien will get a little cameo.

I just don't understand why Goku and Vegeta have to steal the spotlight. With Vegeta, it's not as bad but give Goku a break man. This should be Tiens win if anything .

Because Gohan can't do anything without daddy and Uncle Vegeta hold his hand. (says this in English dub Super Buu's voice)

Jokes aside, we don't know the context in which Gohan and Piccolo are saved. They could be hold down and unable to move because they're being shot at like D-Day.

Gohan and Piccolo shouldn't be in a situation where they can't fight but Goku and Vegeta can.

[Hawk9211]

I'm certain there is way more to the story that what the preview is giving. Let's not jump the gun from one line of text. The fandom is very guilty of doing this and have often had misleading expectations because of it. I mean, a lot of people thought Caulifla was going to become a Super Saiyan Blue and we all know how much that never happened.

Yep previews have been very misleading so far.Does anyone remembers tenshinhan's weird techniques or dyspo's bullets of light?I will just wait for episode.

[HeroR]

Vegeta hasnt appeared in the show since episode 102, and his only memorable moment in the ToP has been episode 98.(his fight vs Cabba was offscreened)

I agree that it would make Piccolo look like garbage if Base Goku and Base Vegeta defeat those 2 U2 warriors. Gohan was seen in base in the PV.

Btw whatever happened to Piccolos excellent ears that could detect any presence or sound.

But we already know that base form Goku and Vegeta are stronger than Piccolo.

[HeroR]

"On 10/7, get ready for a huge Dragon Ball Super one-hour special! More details to come soon!"
[spoiler][/spoiler]
https://twitter.com/FUNimation/status/9 ... 7327582208

I still want to know if the highlights in Goku's hair is lighting or his hair isn't completely black. From this picture, it does seems to be lighting, but it's different from the usual effects put into Goku's hair in base form.

I'm certain there is way more to the story that what the preview is giving. Let's not jump the gun from one line of text. The fandom is very guilty of doing this and have often had misleading expectations because of it. I mean, a lot of people thought Caulifla was going to become a Super Saiyan Blue and we all know how much that never happened.

Yep previews have been very misleading so far.Does anyone remembers tenshinhan's weird techniques or dyspo's bullets of light?I will just wait for episode.

A better example is how the preview made it seems Hit was losing to Dypso and Goku saves him, when what actually happened was that Hit was being mugged.

[namekiansaiyan]

Vegeta hasnt appeared in the show since episode 102, and his only memorable moment in the ToP has been episode 98.(his fight vs Cabba was offscreened)

I agree that it would make Piccolo look like garbage if Base Goku and Base Vegeta defeat those 2 U2 warriors. Gohan was seen in base in the PV.

Btw whatever happened to Piccolos excellent ears that could detect any presence or sound.

But we already know that base form Goku and Vegeta are stronger than Piccolo.

No he is not, you are saying that anyone Goku or Vegeta has faced so far Piccolo would have lost easily to. Ignore Piccolo in episode 90 as it makes no sense.

They are ignoring Piccolo's ears to make him look bad and others good.

[Lord Beerus]

I'm certain there is way more to the story that what the preview is giving. Let's not jump the gun from one line of text. The fandom is very guilty of doing this and have often had misleading expectations because of it. I mean, a lot of people thought Caulifla was going to become a Super Saiyan Blue and we all know how much that never happened.

Such as what? We only see Piccolo and Gohan looking crap while Goku and Vegeta are teaming up. Tien will get a little cameo.

Have you already watched the episode to know that is certainly going to be scenario for the entire episode? No. A 30 second preview is not, and never will be, indicative of 22 minutes of material in any context. Even with a plot as thin as Dragon Ball.

[ArchedThunder]

Oh so we're back to the complaining about the story of an episode from a tiny preview phase then? And saying fighters we know nothing about are weak.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I still want to know if the highlights in Goku's hair is lighting or his hair isn't completely black. From this picture, it does seems to be lighting, but it's different from the usual effects put into Goku's hair in base form.

It definitely doesn't look like regular highlights they use in Base Goku, I think it is teasing what the final colour might look like, more sliver-y.

[Ki Breaker]

Oh so we're back to the complaining about the story of an episode from a tiny preview phase then? And saying fighters we know nothing about are weak.

If the fighter is relying on hiding and sniping, it's a pretty good indication he isn't going to be Uber strong don't you think?