"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[ArchedThunder]

Oh so we're back to the complaining about the story of an episode from a tiny preview phase then? And saying fighters we know nothing about are weak.

If the fighter is relying on hiding and sniping, it's a pretty good indication he isn't going to be Uber strong don't you think?

No.

[Ki Breaker]

Oh so we're back to the complaining about the story of an episode from a tiny preview phase then? And saying fighters we know nothing about are weak.

If the fighter is relying on hiding and sniping, it's a pretty good indication he isn't going to be Uber strong don't you think?

No.

Sad.

[HeroR]

Vegeta hasnt appeared in the show since episode 102, and his only memorable moment in the ToP has been episode 98.(his fight vs Cabba was offscreened)

I agree that it would make Piccolo look like garbage if Base Goku and Base Vegeta defeat those 2 U2 warriors. Gohan was seen in base in the PV.

Btw whatever happened to Piccolos excellent ears that could detect any presence or sound.

But we already know that base form Goku and Vegeta are stronger than Piccolo.

No he is not, you are saying that anyone Goku or Vegeta has faced so far Piccolo would have lost easily to. Ignore Piccolo in episode 90 as it makes no sense.

They are ignoring Piccolo's ears to make him look bad and others good.

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. Piccolo is way weaker than base form Goku and Vegeta.

[Lord Beerus]

If the fighter is relying on hiding and sniping, it's a pretty good indication he isn't going to be Uber strong don't you think?

No.

Sad.

What's sad about the comment ArchedThunder made? We don't know the full context of the scenario to determine just how powerful the character that is targeting Gohan or Piccolo is beyond he can snipe his opponents.

[Ki Breaker]

No.

Sad.

What's sad about the comment ArchedThunder made? We don't know the full context of the scenario to determine just how powerful the character that is targeting Gohan or Piccolo is beyond he can snipe his opponents.

When we are in a tournament where opponents have gimmicks with which they fight, it almost always comes down to them lacking in the strength department, at least not be extremely high..
Even in scenarios outside the tournament, hidden sniping is usually done by foes which prefer to fight from a distance mostly because they are lightweights..
The sad part about the post is the lack of explanation or effort provided for disagreement..

[namekiansaiyan]

But we already know that base form Goku and Vegeta are stronger than Piccolo.

No he is not, you are saying that anyone Goku or Vegeta has faced so far Piccolo would have lost easily to. Ignore Piccolo in episode 90 as it makes no sense.

They are ignoring Piccolo's ears to make him look bad and others good.

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. Piccolo is way weaker than base form Goku and Vegeta.

So Piccolo is basically bottom 15 out of 80 for you then. We are not watching the same show if you think Piccolo is way weaker than base Goku and Vegeta. I bet you are also ignoring his power up he got through training as well.

No.

Sad.

What's sad about the comment ArchedThunder made? We don't know the full context of the scenario to determine just how powerful the character that is targeting Gohan or Piccolo is beyond he can snipe his opponents.

We saw Piccolo and Gohan get no action in the preview while Goku and Vegeta are working together so unless they are fighting thin air they are stealing action from Gohan and Piccolo.

I thought Gohan is suppose to be strong and beat strong opponents so according to many of you he should be beating this sniper easy while instead in this episode they are going to make Gohan look shit and Piccolo double shit as he has only had a 15 second fight in 9 episodes.

[HeroR]

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So Piccolo is basically bottom 15 out of 80 for you then. We are not watching the same show if you think Piccolo is way weaker than base Goku and Vegeta. I bet you are also ignoring his power up he got through train as well.

Sad.

What's sad about the comment ArchedThunder made? We don't know the full context of the scenario to determine just how powerful the character that is targeting Gohan or Piccolo is beyond he can snipe his opponents.

We saw Piccolo and Gohan get no action in the preview while Goku and Vegeta are working together so unless they are fighting thin air they are stealing action from Gohan and Piccolo.

I thought Gohan is suppose to be strong and beat strong opponents so according to many of you he should be beating this sniper easy while instead in this episode they are going to make Gohan look shit and Piccolo double shit as he has only had a 15 second fight in 9 episodes.

Piccolo is stronger than a pre-Episode 88 Gohan, who he strangled as a Super Saiyan 2. The same Gohan who gave Lavender a hard time while poison. Meaning, Piccolo would probably be considered mid-tier.

He saw the end results of his training in Episode 90. Piccolo with a charged shot didn't even make Goku go Super Saiyan. In fact, Goku tanked it. Compared that to base form after training Gohan who pushed Goku several times.

You can't ignore the events of Episode 90 because you don't like it.

[Lionel]

It's strange how in one breath Roshi can avoid an attack from the Pride Trooper who endured the full kinetic brunt of a body being kicked by SSJG Goku and was reflexively keeping up with the movements of Hit yet Piccolo is being helplessly outmanoeuvred by fighters who can be dealt with by the Base Saiyans. Personally, I feel opinions on the issue should be reserved until we've watched the episode. Could we be misinterpreting things? I certainly hope so.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

We saw Piccolo and Gohan get no action in the preview while Goku and Vegeta are working together so unless they are fighting thin air they are stealing action from Gohan and Piccolo.

I thought Gohan is suppose to be strong and beat strong opponents so according to many of you he should be beating this sniper easy while instead in this episode they are going to make Gohan look shit and Piccolo double shit as he has only had a 15 second fight in 9 episodes.

a) The preview was 30 seconds of a 20 minute episode...
b) Episode hasn't aired, you do not know what the situation nor the scenario is, remember when Goku got snipped by Frost? People were crying for weeks that Hit was getting jobbed and nerfed episodes airs and they ended up looking like utter fools. Like I say ever godamn week wait for the episode to godamn air before blowing f**cking gaskets.

[HeroR]

It's strange how in one breath Roshi can avoid an attack from the Pride Trooper who endured the full kinetic brunt of a body being kicked by SSJG Goku and was reflexively keeping up with the movements of Hit yet Piccolo is being helplessly outmanoeuvred by fighters who can be dealt with by the Base Saiyans. Personally, I feel opinions on the issue should be reserved until we've watched the episode. Could we be misinterpreting things? I certainly hope so.

What Pride Trooper did Roshi face?

[Lionel]

Kunshi. It was for a brief moment several episodes back as the Kamikaze Fireballs were blanketing the arena with their hormone inducing ability.

[Lord Beerus]

Sad.

What's sad about the comment ArchedThunder made? We don't know the full context of the scenario to determine just how powerful the character that is targeting Gohan or Piccolo is beyond he can snipe his opponents.

We saw Piccolo and Gohan get no action in the preview while Goku and Vegeta are working together so unless they are fighting thin air they are stealing action from Gohan and Piccolo.

I thought Gohan is suppose to be strong and beat strong opponents so according to many of you he should be beating this sniper easy while instead in this episode they are going to make Gohan look shit and Piccolo double shit as he has only had a 15 second fight in 9 episodes.

Again, you're basing this off 30 seconds of footage. Just becuase you don't see Gohan or PIccolo throwing a punch in the preview doesn't mean it won't happen in the episode. Or that Goku and Vegeta will eat up all of the screentime in the episode and steal their thunder.

[namekiansaiyan]

So Piccolo is basically bottom 15 out of 80 for you then. We are not watching the same show if you think Piccolo is way weaker than base Goku and Vegeta. I bet you are also ignoring his power up he got through train as well.

What's sad about the comment ArchedThunder made? We don't know the full context of the scenario to determine just how powerful the character that is targeting Gohan or Piccolo is beyond he can snipe his opponents.

We saw Piccolo and Gohan get no action in the preview while Goku and Vegeta are working together so unless they are fighting thin air they are stealing action from Gohan and Piccolo.

I thought Gohan is suppose to be strong and beat strong opponents so according to many of you he should be beating this sniper easy while instead in this episode they are going to make Gohan look shit and Piccolo double shit as he has only had a 15 second fight in 9 episodes.

Piccolo is stronger than a pre-Episode 88 Gohan, who he strangled as a Super Saiyan 2. The same Gohan who gave Lavender a hard time while poison. Meaning, Piccolo would probably be considered mid-tier.

He saw the end results of his training in Episode 90. Piccolo with a charged shot didn't even make Goku go Super Saiyan. In fact, Goku tanked it. Compared that to base form after training Gohan who pushed Goku several times.

You can't ignore the events of Episode 90 because you don't like it.

There are many inconsistencies that make no sense in the series and that is why no one can make a definitive power level list so to me Piccolo is stronger than Base Goku going on what I interpret from all the fights recently.

We saw Piccolo and Gohan get no action in the preview while Goku and Vegeta are working together so unless they are fighting thin air they are stealing action from Gohan and Piccolo.

I thought Gohan is suppose to be strong and beat strong opponents so according to many of you he should be beating this sniper easy while instead in this episode they are going to make Gohan look shit and Piccolo double shit as he has only had a 15 second fight in 9 episodes.

a) The preview was 30 seconds of a 20 minute episode...
b) Episode hasn't aired, you do not know what the situation nor the scenario is, remember when Goku got snipped by Frost? People were crying for weeks that Hit was getting jobbed and nerfed episodes airs and they ended up looking like utter fools. Like I say ever godamn week wait for the episode to godamn air before blowing f**cking gaskets.

Piccolo and Gohan needing to rescued is bad enough as they should be able to get out of this situation without Goku and Vegeta. Tien I can understand helping.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Okay guys, account strikes have been issued. No more being rude to each other, or single word posts. Let's get back on track with what's expected of you when posting on the forum.

[HeroR]

There are many inconsistencies that make no sense in the series and that is why no one can make a definitive power level list so to me Piccolo is stronger than Base Goku going on what I interpret from all the fights recently.

We saw Piccolo and Gohan get no action in the preview while Goku and Vegeta are working together so unless they are fighting thin air they are stealing action from Gohan and Piccolo.

I thought Gohan is suppose to be strong and beat strong opponents so according to many of you he should be beating this sniper easy while instead in this episode they are going to make Gohan look shit and Piccolo double shit as he has only had a 15 second fight in 9 episodes.

a) The preview was 30 seconds of a 20 minute episode...
b) Episode hasn't aired, you do not know what the situation nor the scenario is, remember when Goku got snipped by Frost? People were crying for weeks that Hit was getting jobbed and nerfed episodes airs and they ended up looking like utter fools. Like I say ever godamn week wait for the episode to godamn air before blowing f**cking gaskets.

Piccolo and Gohan needing to rescued is bad enough as they should be able to get out of this situation without Goku and Vegeta. Tien I can understand helping.

The only 'fights' Piccolo has are his fights with Tagoma where he was weaker than a rusty base Gohan, Frost who was weakened by being beating up by Super Saiyan Goku and was still told he stood no chance, his fight with a stronger Gohan, his fight with Goku, and his fight with that guy from U10. Even ignoring Tagoma, he got killed by first form Freeza, where base form Goku could fight final form Freeza.

Of his recent fights, Piccolo was shown to be superior to Super Saiyan 2 Gohan, which suprised Gohan, but greatly inferior to base form Goku. There is nothing after that that is inconsistence with 90. Nothing Piccolo has done shows himself as stronger than base form Goku.

[perucho1990]

Harmura and Prum forced Piccolo and Gohan to hide behind rocks.

[namekiansaiyan]

Harmura and Prum forced Piccolo and Gohan to hide behind rocks.

That is why they need to rescued even though Piccolo should just use the multiform technique to locate them.

[Lionel]

Harmura and Prum forced Piccolo and Gohan to hide behind rocks.

Are there any distinct physical effects those laser projectiles have? If their potency is only the same as a generic thin stripped Ki attack like the Death Beam then I fail to see why Gohan or Piccolo would feel the need to duck and cover unless they're being extra cautious. If they can't out-muscle the attacks then getting out of the line of fire by burrowing underground and emerging somewhere else might not be a bad proposal.

[TheSaiyanGod]

We know Jiren is strong already. What part of Toppo saying he has absolutely no chance at defeating Jiren after a serious fight not get?

Maybe he doesnt want to just eliminate everyone because he wants them to enjoy their last moments as warriors and he senses no threat.

Dragon Ball have never just hyped up characters with statements alone. Frieza was the most hyped villain in Dragon Ball, yet Toriyama still felt compelled to show why Freeze wasn't all hype by having him destroy anyone who wasn't Super Saiyan Goku and even then give the newborn Super Saiyan a decent fight fight.

The Saiyans were hyped for an entire year in-universe, and Toriyama showed us that it wasn't all talk by having having Nappa tear apart the Z-Fighters with no issues. This also served to hyped Vegeta who could boss around the person killing all the main characters.

Cell, each stage of his journey to his perfection had physical examples outside of 'Cell will be invincible if he becomes perfect'. First taking out Piccolo and 17 when he was just Imperfect, then Semi-Perfect Cell one-shotting 16 who was once his equal, and then Perfect Cell taking down Vegeta, a stronger Trunks, and even beating Goku while holding back.

Majin Buu, was hyped up as a god-killer who could wiped the universe. Toriyama showed him off by having him waste Dabura, Gohan, the Supreme Kai, and Majin Vegeta in that order.

Hit, while he little hype, Champa wasn't worried about losing since he still had Hit. Toriyama showed him off by having him beat Vegeta without getting hit and minimal effort.

Black, got some hype since he manhandled Future Trunks for over a year. Then when the heroes fight him seriously, he get a transformation and one-stabs Vegeta. He then takes out Goku and Trunks with his partner.

Zen'o said to erased anything and nothing is equal to him. Shows this off by having him wipe out an immortal god who fused with the multiverse.

The point of all of this, Toriyama never just used a character's or characters' statements to hype someone. There are always visual examples and it isn't just limited to 'they beat up the main character'. An example of this is Beerus. He two-shotted Super Saiyan 3 Goku, yet Toriyama still felt compelled to hype Beerus by having him take out the rest of the Z-Fighters including Gotenks, Gohan, and a rage boosted Vegeta.

Given that history, it stands to reason that once Jiren moves, someone or several people since this is a battle royal is going to get worf and it isn't just Goku.

Jiren has already been said to be much stronger than Toppo, he may be the human who surpasses a GoD, predicted the moves of the blocks in rebuilding the arena (before the start of the tournament), completely blinded Goku, caused a U2 warrior to give up To fight him with just one look, and defeated Kale with a Ki Blast.

I do not see why he has to defeat more than 30 warriors at once to be proved just how strong he is. Even though they are few feats, we know he is very strong.

It makes no sense for more than 30 warriors to fall in 3 episodes, before the special episode.
Ignoring the fact that Freeza did not have a real fight, Vegeta did not even come close to using his maximum power, Piccolo, Gohan, and Tenshinhan almost did not fight, Kyabe appeared quickly, as well as warriors from other Universes with great potential (such as the Yardrat Of U2)

It would be extremely disappointing if the tournament ended without seeing any of this, it would not make sense.

So I think the producer's speech also refers to the climax of the tournament, when the real battles will begin, and we will be able to see other fights while Goku and Jiren face each other

[TheMikado]

If the fighter is relying on hiding and sniping, it's a pretty good indication he isn't going to be Uber strong don't you think?

No.

Sad.

Fake News!