Unpopular DB opinions

[Fox666]

Now you are provoking. I think Rocketman provided the most adequate response.

[Attitudefan]

In all honesty, fan translations are more accurate.

No...just, no.

I have to agree with AgitoZ. However, it is hard for me to say this because I understand very basic Japanese. Viz said it themselves: They call it an English adaption instead of translation.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

In all honesty, fan translations are more accurate.

Depending on which ones you are talking about.

Yes. In Dragon Ball case, the scanlations avaiable online are far from being accurate.

The old ones, yes.

[LiamKav]

The problem is... how can you tell? When you have a translation done by an "authorative source", there's a certain amount of trust placed that it will be accurate. And when it's not, everyone will be talking about it. Getting a scanlation online doesn't provide you with any of that, on top of being slightly illegal.

@Piccolo Daimao
If it makes you feel better, the Japanese take the fewest number of days off in the developed world. And America is not far off. You should move to Germany. Go Germany! Well, go Germany after the football is over, anyway.

(Can I brag about us getting Xenoblade in the UK? Cos we got Xenoblade, and it's the first time my Wii's been on for several hours a day since Mario Galaxy.)

[Piccolo Daimao]

By the way, I meant to say "it's things like this that sometimes make me wish I was Japanese". It was just an offhand comment really. I like bits and pieces from various cultures.

[AgitoZ]

Getting a scanlation online doesn't provide you with any of that, on top of being slightly illegal.

Slightly?

[Nex Carnifex]

In all honesty, fan translations are more accurate.

Depending on which ones you are talking about.

True, but the bad ones at least don't try to make goofy spins on already established characters, they just translate, which is what Viz should have done.

[Nex Carnifex]

In all honesty, fan translations are more accurate.

Depending on which ones you are talking about.

Yes. In Dragon Ball case, the scanlations avaiable online are far from being accurate.

I compared some to translations from this website, they are far more accurate than Viz assuming the ones from here are true to the original. Viz twists everything around and tries to make it more annoyingly childish and corny, getting rid of some important dialogue, at least for Dragon Ball.

[Piccolo Daimao]

It's only occasionally that Viz twists something around for comedic purposes, and at least they don't do it in a way that bastardizes the character like Ocean and FUNimation used to do.

[Attitudefan]

Why does everything have to have comedy in it? If it's supposed to be serious, keep it that way.

[DemonRin]

In all honesty, fan translations are more accurate.

No. This is VERY VERY Far from being the case. It's so far it's laughable. Yes, sometimes fans get things right that the official translation didn't, especially anytime 4kids is involved, but having no official training or branding behind them gives fans license to just make things up and claim they're fact.

Case-in-point: Ask any 10 One Piece fans what the Japanese word "Nakama" means (the same "Nakama" from "Ossu! Kaette Kita Son Gokū to Nakama-tachi!!")
The majority will tell you "It's a word with no actual English equivalent which means 'a special bond deeper than family' and literally cannot be translated".

The word means "[Part of] a Group" or more to the point "Comrade". Your coworkers would be considered your "Nakama". Even that smelly introvert who nobody likes and keep mumbling to himself about how the Illuminati run everything. One Piece is a pirate manga, in that context it means "Crewmate".

But the only decent translations of One Piece that were coming out during the 4kids Era were coming from the fansub group called "Kaizoku-Fansubs" and when they hit a line that was hard to write out in English, they made up that line about Nakama "Meaning a special bond deeper than family" so they could be lazy and just leave it untranslated. Then they stuck with their lie for consistency's sake.
Now the vast majority of the One Piece fanbase believe this lie and go so far as to decry and refuse to purchase any release that doesn't leave the word in Japanese on the grounds that it "Destroys the message" to translate it.

This is EXTREMELY common in the anime fan translation communities online. That's just one example in a SEA of examples.

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

Well these writers and translators are only human. Most of the time you'd be sitting in a room just translating line by line for hours on end. You're bound to throw in your own flare; or a joke or two, just to stay sane. Mix that in with not having a legible script, lip sync issues, and time constraints...well, it just happens that way. Not to mention not everyone on board was/is familiar with the series as a whole or the fact that they are getting orders from someone above(who are getting orders from someone else) to make sure they are keeping things friendly for the kids. Their target demographic wasn't fans already familiar with the Japanese production but rather kids; who didn't care otherwise.

With all things said and done, at least they fixed it. Most shows aren't fortunate enough to get writers/actors who care about the series and improve their performances. Plus, if they didn't do it, we probably wouldn't have much to talk about on here.

[MCDaveG]

I don't mean to sound weeaboo-ish, but it's things like this that make me wish I was Japanese. You know, critically acclaimed games like the Mother series only being released over there, being much more lax about censorship, further improved technology, etc.

Racism, extremely rigid social structure, working yourself to death, suicide the leading cause of death in people age 16-44, paedophilia...


I WISH I WUZ NIHONESE SO I CUD PLAY GAEMS AN REED MANGOS - you

I'm with Rocketman in this one, from what I know from my girlfriend, I will never wanna be born in Japan!!!!
I admire their culture and pop culture, but that's it, I like it as outsider.
Japan itself is not much ideal for an otaku. I just don't understand, how they work, as this anime business is kinda huge and the aim is on otaku, who buys crazy stuff and amounts of it, but actually they are rejected by the community as whole.
Otaku are outcasts. Well, but if you count sex, European standards are not that tight about it and as I'm deviant myself, that will be one of the issues I would like...... uh-huh.
But otherwise, I found nothing positive about Japan as place I would like to live in.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I would never want to be born in another country just for some manga/anime. I would never want to be born in another country in general.

[MCDaveG]

I would never want to be born in another country just for some manga/anime. I would never want to be born in another country in general.

Yeah, but it's not like I wanna be there because of anime only. But me myself in my teenage years, I was fascinated by this different eastern culture, where there is dynamic economy, great achievements on the field of robotics and technology, modern state with high HDP and great cultural heritage + cool comic and anime series as bonus. Yeah, but at what cost.
It's obvious for me, as a kid in post-communist country, to want to live in country looking like this at a first glance. Same I wanted to live anywhere in west Europe like Germany, Britain or France, anywhere only not in the country I actually live.

And I still don't wanna live in Czech republic nor I'm proud of my country, so I will move away by the time.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Guys, we already resolved this a page ago. And I said this:

By the way, I meant to say "it's things like this that sometimes make me wish I was Japanese". It was just an offhand comment really. I like bits and pieces from various cultures.

[MCDaveG]

Yeah I know, I just wanted to add ''some water to the mill'' too

[Piccolo Daimao]

Yeah I know, I just wanted to add ''some water to the mill'' too

OK then.

[Attitudefan]

And I still don't wanna live in Czech republic nor I'm proud of my country, so I will move away by the time.

Czech's are awesome. Never forget your heritage! From one Czech to another.


Japanese probably don't want to be anything other than that as well.

Off topic I know

/end of off-topiking

[Sun-Wukong]

Japan is one of those places that would be fun to visit, but not much fun to live in...

Also, don't think I mentioned this in the thread before; while I prefer the original Japanese version on the whole, I prefer the Faulconer score to the Kikuchi score.