The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:16 pm

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:As for Trunks, you see, it's only "impossible" if you stick with the 8 months (Bulma's initial observation) and not consider that they ended up needing 3 yrs (which was mentioned later in the story) to charge the time machine.
The Time Machine is said to need 8 months to charge, not 3 years. Trunks probably went back in time 3 years later because by the time he killed the Artificial Humans, he was helping rebuilding the whole Earth. So, he had much more important things to do instead of going back in time to tell the news.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:22 pm

JP6GAMER wrote:Tullece vs Raditz
Umm Raditz gets stomped so hard that there will be nothing left of him after the fight. 1,500 does not compare to 30,000+
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by JP6GAMER » Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:47 pm

Hm, then I should think of a better match-up...

I don't know if it was already posted, so I'm sorry if it is the case:
Super Android 13 vs Cell
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:53 pm

Well, "Cell" is a pretty darn wide range. He's got three forms, and had a lot of power growth in his first and final ones.

Anyway, Android #16 was cited as being the strongest of the Androids (not counting Cell), but it's debatable if that would include Super 13, since he's more or less a merging of three Androids rather than just one. So I see Super 13 at least rivaling 16 and Imperfect Cell in power, and at the most rivaling Semiperfect Cell.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by JP6GAMER » Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:54 pm

So you think he wouldn't stand a chance against Perfect Cell?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Sat Feb 09, 2013 7:11 pm

No, not even close. Cell might humor him for a bit like he did with Vegeta, I guess.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sat Feb 09, 2013 7:15 pm

JP6GAMER wrote:Hm, then I should think of a better match-up...

I don't know if it was already posted, so I'm sorry if it is the case:
Super Android 13 vs Cell
Which Cell? Imperfect, Semi-Perfect, Perfect(Heavily Suppressed), Perfect Cell(Suppressed), Perfect, or Super Perfect?
Imperfect Cell >=< Super 13
Semi-Perfect > Super 13
Perfect >>>>> Super 13
Super Perfect >>>>>>>>>>>>> Super 13
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Sat Feb 09, 2013 7:52 pm

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Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:As for Trunks, you see, it's only "impossible" if you stick with the 8 months (Bulma's initial observation) and not consider that they ended up needing 3 yrs (which was mentioned later in the story) to charge the time machine.
The Time Machine is said to need 8 months to charge, not 3 years. Trunks probably went back in time 3 years later because by the time he killed the Artificial Humans, he was helping rebuilding the whole Earth. So, he had much more important things to do instead of going back in time to tell the news.
That's what Bulma originally said; they hadn't even tested the time machine at that point. The Narrator later says the time machine finally gained enough power after the 3 yrs went by. Trunks surely had more important things to do, but it's stated regardless.

Super #13 would have a good chance against Imperfect Cell...and he'd still lose.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:42 am

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:That's what Bulma originally said; they hadn't even tested the time machine at that point. The Narrator later says the time machine finally gained enough power after the 3 yrs went by. Trunks surely had more important things to do, but it's stated regardless.
OK, now it's fucking confusing. First, we were told be Bulma that it needs 8 months to charge. This was said when the Time Machine had almost gathered enough energy. But then, we were told by the narrator that it needs 3 years. :crazy:

It's either plot-hole or the Time Machine had some technical problems. Like Fox666 said, Trunks hadn't change at all when you compare him with the Trunks we saw against Mecha Freeza & the Trunks we saw pre-RoSaT, while Trunks notably grew taller during his one year inside the RoSaT. This was probably because Toriyama had the 8 month charge in his mind back then, and not the 3 years. So, it seems that it took 8 months to charge the first two times, but the third time, it took 3 years... :?

But be it 8 months or 3 years, I still can't see Piccolo getting so much stronger, because I want to make his power up as small as possible. I can't have Piccolo stronger than a Super Saiyan, because it doesn't make any sense to me. Sure, Piccolo got a huge power up, but he can being around 70-100 millions (changed it from before) is already a very huge power up.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Legendary Saiya-Jin » Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:47 am

Tenshinhan post-Kaiou's training with/out Kaiou-kenx2/-3 against Ginyuu Tokusentai with/out Commander Ginyuu.

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Post by Saiga » Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:53 am

Legendary Saiya-Jin wrote:Tenshinhan post-Kaiou's training with/out Kaiou-kenx2/-3 against Ginyuu Tokusentai with/out Commander Ginyuu.
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Post by Gonstead » Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:54 am

Disregarding BS filler, the Ginyu's take this easily.
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Post by JP6GAMER » Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:56 am

Ten loses this fight.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:19 am

Tenshinhan takes all of them except Ginyu in terms of power. Problem is they have Guldo to stop time so its up in the air as to who wins. I have everyone at these levels
Tenshinhan: 45,000
Guldo: 5,000
Recoome: 35,000
Jeice: 40,000
Burter: 40,000
Ginyu: 120,000
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Post by Legendary Saiya-Jin » Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:53 pm

I actually thought Ten could be around 35,000 after Kaiou's training and be able to destroy them all with Kaiou-ken x2; with Ginyuu himself, he might come short-handed, but then he could use Kaiou-ken'd Kikouhou.

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Post by Kaboom » Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:52 pm

Barring any Kikoho shenanigans, Ten might be able to take on a Ginyu Force member or two individually (aside from Ginyu himself). But if even two of them at once gang up on him, he's done for.
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Post by JP6GAMER » Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:59 pm

What about ;
Kid Goku at his best vs Kid Gohan Saiyan Saga
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:24 pm

JP6GAMER wrote:What about ;
Kid Goku at his best vs Kid Gohan Saiyan Saga
Gohan stomps so hard. 260 does not compare to 981, and 2,800 when pissed off.
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