"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[RedHeat]

It is Official that the Next Episode is Next Week or is it On Break for 2 weeks, is their official Confirmation on this?!

On break this next week for a 27 hour history special, then episodes 107 and 108 as normal, then another week off for the One Piece special, followed by a one hour Super special the week after.

Thanks for That, So Let me Get My Calendar Straight here:

Going by North American Dates when it is watchable 8 pm EST:

9/9 ~~~ BREAK!
9/16 ~~~~ 107!
9/23 ~~~~ 108!
9/30 ~~~BREAK, One Piece Special!
10/7 ~~ Dragon Ball Super Special!

That's right.

There's going to be a huge info dump about the next 2 episodes and the special, next week.

[CJStriker_CBR]

On break this next week for a 27 hour history special, then episodes 107 and 108 as normal, then another week off for the One Piece special, followed by a one hour Super special the week after.

Thanks for That, So Let me Get My Calendar Straight here:

Going by North American Dates when it is watchable 8 pm EST:

9/9 ~~~ BREAK!
9/16 ~~~~ 107!
9/23 ~~~~ 108!
9/30 ~~~BREAK, One Piece Special!
10/7 ~~ Dragon Ball Super Special!

That's right.

There's going to be a huge info dump about the next 2 episodes and the special, next week.

Thanks for the Re-Confirmation on That Schedule, Helps out allot, Now we know we have a Break for Awhile!

Any word or hints on when the Info Dump will come or any early hints what might be in it?!

[Bullza]

Vegeta had great screen time, yes, but what did he do relevant? He hit Golden Freeza (which was totally worn out) but soon after he died for him in the blast of the earth. He defeated 3 U6 warriors, but did not have to use more than the SSJ, and then was defeated by Hitto.

He was defeated by Black and Zamasu twice and only then managed to beat them. In the manga he is being much more relevant, forcing Black to merge and attaining the same power of Goku with the MSSB

He became a Super Saiyan God.

He fought Golden Frieza and overwhelmed him in battle.

He took part in the Universe 6 and 7 Tournament where he fought against four of the five fighters, defeating three of them himself.

He took part in the fights with Goku and Trunks in the future. Was the result of Vegito.

He had a child.

He's taken part in the Tournament of Power where he's eliminated 8 fighters, the most out of everybody.

Ain't that enough?

[Bullza]

I missed the news that they announced box sets up to Episode 133. I'm sure it was discussed already but I suppose it's no surprise but good news all the same.

I can't see this Tournament lasting another 26 episodes so I'd assume the story will continue with another saga after this one.

[TheSaiyanGod]

Vegeta had great screen time, yes, but what did he do relevant? He hit Golden Freeza (which was totally worn out) but soon after he died for him in the blast of the earth. He defeated 3 U6 warriors, but did not have to use more than the SSJ, and then was defeated by Hitto.

He was defeated by Black and Zamasu twice and only then managed to beat them. In the manga he is being much more relevant, forcing Black to merge and attaining the same power of Goku with the MSSB

He became a Super Saiyan God.

He fought Golden Frieza and overwhelmed him in battle.

He took part in the Universe 6 and 7 Tournament where he fought against four of the five fighters, defeating three of them himself.

He took part in the fights with Goku and Trunks in the future. Was the result of Vegito.

He had a child.

He's taken part in the Tournament of Power where he's eliminated 8 fighters, the most out of everybody.

Ain't that enough?

As I already said, he got the "rest" of the battle against Freeza. AND EVEN he needed to be saved once more by Goku, because he died for Freeza. One of the warriors he defeated after wearing out against 2 opponents, defeating with a punch (had no fight), the second he won because he insulted him, and only the third he actually won by force.

And these 3 warriors did not force him to use more than the SSJ. In the real battle, he was defeated without even being able to hit Hitto. What good is it going to the future with Goku and Trunks, if in the first fight is unconscious and the second turns a viewer? He merged with Goku, but what was Vegetto's usefulness? In ToP he spent more than half the time in base form, did not use all his power and nor did he have a great battle. Why should it be eliminated now?

[Bullza]

As I already said, he got the "rest" of the battle against Freeza. AND EVEN he needed to be saved once more by Goku, because he died for Freeza. One of the warriors he defeated after wearing out against 2 opponents, defeating with a punch (had no fight), the second he won because he insulted him, and only the third he actually won by force.

And these 3 warriors did not force him to use more than the SSJ. In the real battle, he was defeated without even being able to hit Hitto. What good is it going to the future with Goku and Trunks, if in the first fight is unconscious and the second turns a viewer? He merged with Goku, but what was Vegetto's usefulness? In ToP he spent more than half the time in base form, did not use all his power and nor did he have a great battle. Why should it be eliminated now?

That's just power level and fight result stuff you're talking about though. He doesn't have to win against Top Tier fighters to be relevant.

He was relevant in Dragon Ball Z and he kept getting his ass kicked in that series. Krillin was one of the main characters and he hardly beat anyone.

Goku got his ass kicked when he fought Black, twice. Trunks got his ass kicked...thrice? The only one who got a lasting decisive win was Trunks at the very end and even that didn't end him fully.

He's been treated a lot better in this series than in Z.

[Jigurashi]

As I already said, he got the "rest" of the battle against Freeza. AND EVEN he needed to be saved once more by Goku, because he died for Freeza. One of the warriors he defeated after wearing out against 2 opponents, defeating with a punch (had no fight), the second he won because he insulted him, and only the third he actually won by force.

And these 3 warriors did not force him to use more than the SSJ. In the real battle, he was defeated without even being able to hit Hitto. What good is it going to the future with Goku and Trunks, if in the first fight is unconscious and the second turns a viewer? He merged with Goku, but what was Vegetto's usefulness? In ToP he spent more than half the time in base form, did not use all his power and nor did he have a great battle. Why should it be eliminated now?

That's just power level and fight result stuff you're talking about though. He doesn't have to win against Top Tier fighters to be relevant.

He was relevant in Dragon Ball Z and he kept getting his ass kicked in that series. Krillin was one of the main characters and he hardly beat anyone.

Goku got his ass kicked when he fought Black, twice. Trunks got his ass kicked...thrice? The only one who got a lasting decisive win was Trunks at the very end and even that didn't end him fully.

He's been treated a lot better in this series than in Z.

Eh. I'd argue he's treated relatively the same just with more screen time in Super.

[GodKaio-Ken]

As I already said, he got the "rest" of the battle against Freeza. AND EVEN he needed to be saved once more by Goku, because he died for Freeza. One of the warriors he defeated after wearing out against 2 opponents, defeating with a punch (had no fight), the second he won because he insulted him, and only the third he actually won by force.

And these 3 warriors did not force him to use more than the SSJ. In the real battle, he was defeated without even being able to hit Hitto. What good is it going to the future with Goku and Trunks, if in the first fight is unconscious and the second turns a viewer? He merged with Goku, but what was Vegetto's usefulness? In ToP he spent more than half the time in base form, did not use all his power and nor did he have a great battle. Why should it be eliminated now?

That's just power level and fight result stuff you're talking about though. He doesn't have to win against Top Tier fighters to be relevant.

He was relevant in Dragon Ball Z and he kept getting his ass kicked in that series. Krillin was one of the main characters and he hardly beat anyone.

Goku got his ass kicked when he fought Black, twice. Trunks got his ass kicked...thrice? The only one who got a lasting decisive win was Trunks at the very end and even that didn't end him fully.

He's been treated a lot better in this series than in Z.

Eh. I'd argue he's treated relatively the same just with more screen time in Super.

How can you even say that? Against Cell and Buu he was relegated to watching Gohan and Goku fight at different times.

I'm Super he's been in the thick of the action.

[Noah]

This thread has been updated to reflect today's episode

Only 36 Competitors Remain in the Tournament of Power

For those interested, I have also added a field to the original post reflecting the following;

Tournament of Power Elimination Rules:

[spoiler]A Breakdown of the Rules is As Follows:

I've put this segment together as folks seem to be having difficulty determining what is and isn't counted as an elimination for certain characters.

Why does Goku have the elimination when Nink threw himself off the stage

Why does Frieza only have one elimination and not two?

Why doesn't Krillin have three eliminations?!

I'm hoping this tag clarifies those questions for you. As more eliminations take place and more confusion is raised, more rules will be outlined below;

1. Standard Elimination: This video shows a perfect example of a standard single elimination. In this video, we see Basil eliminate Lilibeu. Basil gets 1 Elimination Point
2. A Character Uses An Energy Increase To Gain An Elimination: This video shows a perfect example of a character gaining an elimination because of the shockwave caused by powering up. For example, Goku powers up to Super Saiyan Blue, breaking the hold Nink has him in and forcing Nink off the stage. Goku gets 1 Elimination Point.
3. Multi-Elimination: This video shows us a perfect example of multiple characters gaining multiple elimination points, or a combination thereof. In the aforementioned example, Goku and Vegeta both eliminate the Trio de Dangers, and therefore Goku gains 3 Elimination Points, and Vegeta gains 3 Elimination Points. In the case where Master Roshi and Tien Shinhan both eliminated The Preecho with a combination of Lightning Flash Surprise Attack and Neo Tri-Beam, both competitors gained 1 Elimination Point Each. This video shows Vegeta eliminating Prum and Dr Rota, so Vegeta gains 2 Elimination Points.
4. Self-Elimination: This video (from 45 seconds in) shows us Roselle eliminating himself following torture and elimination from Frieza. As Roselle makes the decision to run off the battle stage and Frieza does not push or knock or hit or blast him off, Frieza does not gain an Elimination Point because he did not physically knock Roselle off the fighting stage
5. Assisted Elimination: This video is an excellent example of an assisted elimination. As you can see, despite two competitors working in tandem to eliminate Shosa, #18 is the competitor that makes the final blow that finally eliminates him. Therefore #18 gains 1 Elimination Point, and Krillin does not.
6. Double Elimination: This video shows us Hermila first eliminating a Tien Shinhan multi-form (25% of Tien Shinhan's being), followed by the tri-clops himself grabbing Hermila and eliminating Hermila, in tandem with Hermila eliminating Tien Shinhan. As both characters eliminated each other almost simultaneously, both characters get 1 Elimination Point.[/spoiler]

Excellent thread, girl!

[Jigurashi]

That's just power level and fight result stuff you're talking about though. He doesn't have to win against Top Tier fighters to be relevant.

He was relevant in Dragon Ball Z and he kept getting his ass kicked in that series. Krillin was one of the main characters and he hardly beat anyone.

Goku got his ass kicked when he fought Black, twice. Trunks got his ass kicked...thrice? The only one who got a lasting decisive win was Trunks at the very end and even that didn't end him fully.

He's been treated a lot better in this series than in Z.

Eh. I'd argue he's treated relatively the same just with more screen time in Super.

How can you even say that? Against Cell and Buu he was relegated to watching Gohan and Goku fight at different times.

I'm Super he's been in the thick of the action.

Probably because his role hasn't really been all that much different. In Super he had to watch Goku fight Beerus, had gotten trolled by Freeza and Goku needed to save his ass, even then Vegeta's greatest accomplishment in RoF was beating up on an already weak and fatigued fighter, had gotten demolished and forced to watch Goku outperform him against Hitto in base and gets extremely salty about it, he gets a nice beatdown on Black, but that's literally no different than him beating up Semi-Perfect Cell, Goku ends up shitting on his performance anyway when Goku fights M-Zamasu alone. I can say that because Vegeta's role honestly hasn't changed since Z.

[GodKaio-Ken]

Eh. I'd argue he's treated relatively the same just with more screen time in Super.

How can you even say that? Against Cell and Buu he was relegated to watching Gohan and Goku fight at different times.

I'm Super he's been in the thick of the action.

Probably because his role hasn't really been all that much different. In Super he had to watch Goku fight Beerus, had gotten trolled by Freeza and Goku needed to save his ass, even then Vegeta's greatest accomplishment in RoF was beating up on an already weak and fatigued fighter, had gotten demolished and forced to watch Goku outperform him against Hitto in base and gets extremely salty about it, he gets a nice beatdown on Black, but that's literally no different than him beating up Semi-Perfect Cell, Goku ends up shitting on his performance anyway when Goku fights M-Zamasu alone. I can say that because Vegeta's role honestly hasn't changed since Z.

I disagree. Compare his time on Namek to just his fight in ROF. His usage is entirely different even if he still loses.

[HeroR]

I disagree. Compare his time on Namek to just his fight in ROF. His usage is entirely different even if he still loses.

His usage is only really different in that he doesn't causes the situations like he did in Z. In terms of the narrative, it's the same. Vegeta get build up to get stomped on.

His performance in Resurrection 'F' wasn't even noteworthy. He beat up a weakened character who couldn't even hurt a weakened Goku anymore, big whoop. He did well in the Champa Saga, then turned back into a pile salt when he saw the Kaioken. In the Future Trunks Saga, he overall had the worst performance fighting-wise compared to Goku and Trunks. His one shining moment was beating up Black, which didn't amount to any thing since Black got stronger and screwed with them with clones.

[Jigurashi]

How can you even say that? Against Cell and Buu he was relegated to watching Gohan and Goku fight at different times.

I'm Super he's been in the thick of the action.

Probably because his role hasn't really been all that much different. In Super he had to watch Goku fight Beerus, had gotten trolled by Freeza and Goku needed to save his ass, even then Vegeta's greatest accomplishment in RoF was beating up on an already weak and fatigued fighter, had gotten demolished and forced to watch Goku outperform him against Hitto in base and gets extremely salty about it, he gets a nice beatdown on Black, but that's literally no different than him beating up Semi-Perfect Cell, Goku ends up shitting on his performance anyway when Goku fights M-Zamasu alone. I can say that because Vegeta's role honestly hasn't changed since Z.

I disagree. Compare his time on Namek to just his fight in ROF. His usage is entirely different even if he still loses.

They were different. On Namek, Vegeta took out several second tier fighters and then was beaten senseless by a top conditioned Freeza and then killed. In RoF, he also takes out a second tier opponent in Tagoma-Ginyu, but this time beats down a completely worn out and fatigued Freeza who kills him anyway and needs to get his ass saved by Goku. His treatment in RoF really wasn't anything noteworthy nor any better than on Namek.

[Bullza]

Eh. I'd argue he's treated relatively the same just with more screen time in Super.

I don't know about that. Vegeta was just used in Z so that the villains could beat him up to show how strong​ they were. Then somebody else would beat them instead.

Who did he ever really beat in Z? I mean properly beat too. His most significant wins were Zarbon, Jeice and Android 19 is that right?

He was always weaker than Goku and Gohan when it mattered.

At least in Super ever since the Resurrection F saga and not taking Kaioken into account Vegeta is just as strong as Goku. He beat Tagoma, Frieza, Frost, Magetta and Cabba all in a row. That's the best string of victories (well I suppose prior to this Tournament now) that he's ever had.

He put a beating on Golden Frieza and Super Saiyan Rose Black, two main villains. In Z Frieza, Perfect Cell and Kid Buu just put a vicious stomping on him, they kept making him cry there.

[BlueBasilisk]

Who did he ever really beat in Z? I mean properly beat too.

He beat Goku legit in the Saiyan Saga. That's the biggest win under his belt, I think.

[Jigurashi]

Eh. I'd argue he's treated relatively the same just with more screen time in Super.

I don't know about that. Vegeta was just used in Z so that the villains could beat him up to show how strong​ they were. Then somebody else would beat them instead.

Who did he ever really beat in Z? I mean properly beat too. His most significant wins were Zarbon, Jeice and Android 19 is that right?

He was always weaker than Goku and Gohan when it mattered.

At least in Super ever since the Resurrection F saga and not taking Kaioken into account Vegeta is just as strong as Goku. He beat Tagoma, Frieza, Frost, Magetta and Cabba all in a row. That's the best string of victories (well I suppose prior to this Tournament now) that he's ever had.

He put a beating on Golden Frieza and Super Saiyan Rose Black, two main villains. In Z Frieza, Perfect Cell and Kid Buu just put a vicious stomping on him, they kept making him cry there.

But you're disregarding Kaioken which you can't disregard. He beat Goku in Z, a greater win than anything he's ever gotten since. Why is Freeza counted as a win for Vegeta? He lost to Freeza in RoF. His beatdown on Black isn't any greater than his beatdown on Semi-Perfect Cell. Him beating Cabba, Magetta, and Frost isn't any better than defeating Cui, Dodoria, Zarbon, or Jeice. It's definitely his best string of victories, but he isn't exactly treated any better in Super than in Z. He just seems to get treated the same for the most part as in Z but with more screen time.

[TheSaiyanGod]

As I already said, he got the "rest" of the battle against Freeza. AND EVEN he needed to be saved once more by Goku, because he died for Freeza. One of the warriors he defeated after wearing out against 2 opponents, defeating with a punch (had no fight), the second he won because he insulted him, and only the third he actually won by force.

And these 3 warriors did not force him to use more than the SSJ. In the real battle, he was defeated without even being able to hit Hitto. What good is it going to the future with Goku and Trunks, if in the first fight is unconscious and the second turns a viewer? He merged with Goku, but what was Vegetto's usefulness? In ToP he spent more than half the time in base form, did not use all his power and nor did he have a great battle. Why should it be eliminated now?

That's just power level and fight result stuff you're talking about though. He doesn't have to win against Top Tier fighters to be relevant.

He was relevant in Dragon Ball Z and he kept getting his ass kicked in that series. Krillin was one of the main characters and he hardly beat anyone.

Goku got his ass kicked when he fought Black, twice. Trunks got his ass kicked...thrice? The only one who got a lasting decisive win was Trunks at the very end and even that didn't end him fully.

He's been treated a lot better in this series than in Z.

Of course he does. He is one of the tournament's strongest warriors, clearing the arena of random characters who do not even know the name, in scenes of few seconds is not a highlight. He needs to defeat someone of his level if it would not be a total waste.

As stated above, he is having the same prominence he had in DBZ, only with more screen time.

[Zamasu55]

The battle with Jiren, who'll probably decide the fate of U7 and U11, starts in October.
In the three episodes preceding it, everything can happen. Even that at least 5/6 of U7's members are taken away either by the same opponent (who could be Jiren himself) or in a rushed manner like Tien.

Next episode's big: Frost is targeting Roshi and Vegeta. He wants revenge on the latter, and is seen managing the Mafuuba. Then he steps on a seemingly dead Roshi. I know previews are meaningless, but one thing's certain: He won't be sealed. So Roshi's done, for real this time.
Vegeta too? I doubt, highly doubt since he didn't have any big fights.

PS: What happened to Cabba? He never fought.

[shadowmaria]

This thread has been updated to reflect today's episode

Only 36 Competitors Remain in the Tournament of Power

For those interested, I have also added a field to the original post reflecting the following;

Tournament of Power Elimination Rules:

[spoiler]A Breakdown of the Rules is As Follows:

I've put this segment together as folks seem to be having difficulty determining what is and isn't counted as an elimination for certain characters.

Why does Goku have the elimination when Nink threw himself off the stage

Why does Frieza only have one elimination and not two?

Why doesn't Krillin have three eliminations?!

I'm hoping this tag clarifies those questions for you. As more eliminations take place and more confusion is raised, more rules will be outlined below;

1. Standard Elimination: This video shows a perfect example of a standard single elimination. In this video, we see Basil eliminate Lilibeu. Basil gets 1 Elimination Point
2. A Character Uses An Energy Increase To Gain An Elimination: This video shows a perfect example of a character gaining an elimination because of the shockwave caused by powering up. For example, Goku powers up to Super Saiyan Blue, breaking the hold Nink has him in and forcing Nink off the stage. Goku gets 1 Elimination Point.
3. Multi-Elimination: This video shows us a perfect example of multiple characters gaining multiple elimination points, or a combination thereof. In the aforementioned example, Goku and Vegeta both eliminate the Trio de Dangers, and therefore Goku gains 3 Elimination Points, and Vegeta gains 3 Elimination Points. In the case where Master Roshi and Tien Shinhan both eliminated The Preecho with a combination of Lightning Flash Surprise Attack and Neo Tri-Beam, both competitors gained 1 Elimination Point Each. This video shows Vegeta eliminating Prum and Dr Rota, so Vegeta gains 2 Elimination Points.
4. Self-Elimination: This video (from 45 seconds in) shows us Roselle eliminating himself following torture and elimination from Frieza. As Roselle makes the decision to run off the battle stage and Frieza does not push or knock or hit or blast him off, Frieza does not gain an Elimination Point because he did not physically knock Roselle off the fighting stage
5. Assisted Elimination: This video is an excellent example of an assisted elimination. As you can see, despite two competitors working in tandem to eliminate Shosa, #18 is the competitor that makes the final blow that finally eliminates him. Therefore #18 gains 1 Elimination Point, and Krillin does not.
6. Double Elimination: This video shows us Hermila first eliminating a Tien Shinhan multi-form (25% of Tien Shinhan's being), followed by the tri-clops himself grabbing Hermila and eliminating Hermila, in tandem with Hermila eliminating Tien Shinhan. As both characters eliminated each other almost simultaneously, both characters get 1 Elimination Point.[/spoiler]

Excellent thread, girl!

Thank you, kind user!

You'll be pleased to know that the manga will also be reflected in the thread once it starts producing the Tournament of Power

[Bullza]

He beat Goku in Z, a greater win than anything he's ever gotten since.

That was back when he was a main villain himself so that doesn't really count.

Why is Freeza counted as a win for Vegeta?

Well he beat him. That Frieza took everyone out with a suicide attack doesn't stop Vegeta from giving him a beat down. Gohan gave Cell a beat down before he went to blow himself up. When did Vegeta ever give a main villain in his strongest form a beat down in Z?

His beatdown on Black isn't any greater than his beatdown on Semi-Perfect Cell.

It is because he didn't get stomped a couple minutes afterward when Black powered up. If this was Z then upon Black obtaining the scythe he would have kicked the shit out of Vegeta and then Goku would have beaten him.

Him beating Cabba, Magetta, and Frost isn't any better than defeating Cui, Dodoria, Zarbon, or Jeice.

Cui, Dodoria, Zarbon and Jeice were nothing more than mere underlings. Vegeta beat a bunch of henchmen. Frost, Cabba and Magetta are at least supposed to be powerful warriors, amongst the strongest beings in that universe and he beat them all, back to back without any rest.

It's definitely his best string of victories, but he isn't exactly treated any better in Super than in Z.

He lost countless times in battle in Z so that someone else could then fight that person and beat him. It happened with Recoome, it happened with Frieza, it happened with Android 18, it happened with Cell and it happened with Buu.

In Super it's only happened with Beerus and Hit but at least there when Goku fought them he still lost as well. Aside from those two the only other fight he's lost was against Black but that's fine because everyone was getting knocked around by him.

He needs to defeat someone of his level if it would not be a total waste.

He defeated Golden Frieza, made him cop out and blow the planet up like a coward when he knew he was about to be slaughtered.

The only one Goku has even beat on that level was Hit, the one time and you could consider than draw even. He lost against Beerus, lost against Hit, lost against Black (Vegeta had the better performance against him), drew with Toppo and drew with Golden Frieza.