"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Big Black Sayian]

YonkouProd said he already vouched for them.

[Ki Breaker]

Til I see where the reliable source came from, ala the usual pics Herms places with his translations, I take this all with a grain of salt.

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He also said these words along with the translations
"Source: some random guy on 2chan. What could possibly go wrong?!"

[Jigurashi]

That's also nice, except it doesn't change the fact that Sorbet had to interfere in that fight while Freeza himself took Vegeta out.

Doesn't matter Goku went out like a bitch and Vegeta didn't. In the end Vegeta had to save Goku just the same. More people have a problem with how Goku went out than Vegeta so he wasn't treated any worse, especially as he wasn't kicked around either.

Then you have to prove they weren't using their full power.

They didn't use their full power until they fought Merged Zamasu and the second time they charged at him after saying they would use full power.

Freeza's henchmen were the strongest fighters in the universe at the time of the Freeza Saga next to Freeza himself, so no, you honestly have to stop with the devaluing of them.

And he got beaten around like a chump by those henchmen, twice, beaten within an inch of his life. Knew full well he couldn't beat Zarbon in a true fight so had to cheat his way to a win. He shat his pants when the Ginyu Force showed up and had to quickly ally himself with others. Ran off like a chump when he had to fight Ginyu and Jeice. Then finished off Jeice after Goku had already made him look like a pansy.

At the Tournament he actually beat people back to back without having to cheat, without being terrified of his opponents. Frost was tired but Magetta and Cabba weren't and he beat them.

His wins on Namek are about as good as his wins in the U6 tournament but you want to pretend like they're not and act like the quality of opponents he beat there are better than the ones he beat on Namek at the time of the Freeza Saga.

His wins on Namek are separated by his total losses and cowardice as well. Him cheating so he could beat Zarbon because he knows he couldn't do it normally is not a good win for him.

Even for the time, the fighters in the Universe 6 Tournament are amongst the very best. The five best in an entire universe and he beat three of them in a row.

The ones he beat on Namek were never the best. Frieza was the best and he didn't beat him. Then Ginyu and he ran away from him. The other members of the Ginyu Force he beat one of them who at that point was no longer a credible threat because Goku made him look stupid.

Then there was Nail, didn't fight him. Zarbon, he beat him by cheating. Then there was Dodoria and Cui who were not even in the best five of the henchmen and even Krillin could have beaten them.

In both of those sagas, Vegeta ends up getting his own performance shitted on in the end and having to watch other dudes outperform him.

Yeah but that happened to Vegeta over and over and over again in Z. It's happened just a couple of times in Super, that's it. When Vegeta went and killed Tagoma that was infact his greatest victory that he had had since he killed Android 19.

Lol at Vegeta not going out like a bitch. Who is more people? Unless you can bring something factual, that statement is nothing more than your opinion. Not to mention you chose to bring Goku up as if that somehow changes the fact that Vegeta was shitted on. You even argued that this was a good moment from Vegeta, but if you think him getting Goku's sloppy seconds and still failing to take care of the job is a good moment more power to you. Though trying to shit on Goku to better help your argument for Vegeta only makes i out argument look bad.

Fair.

Yet he still kicked a lot off their asses in the end anyway. Lol you keep saying great bjt thesstuff are life and death fights, he didn't cheat at all against Zarbon. Fighting dirty isn't cheating, love how his is how you're trying to devalue his wins, again hat effort is a fruitless one. So Vegeta pissing his pants at he sight of the Ginyu Force straight up strngthens the fact they were hot shit back when hey were around. Again you've yet to actually prove how beating Cabba or Magetta is worth more than beating Zarbon of Jeice. Because if you want to really get down to it, Cabba and Jeice were easily wrecked when. Vegeta got even remotely serious on them. He struggled with Magetta a bit and even then they needed to place a dome over the arena to help Magetta out. Zarbon straight up trashed Vegeta, the only protagonist at this point who could have dealt with Zarbon. I can beat the same for Magetta.

His wins don't get devalued at all. If you really think fighting dirty in a life or death fight is cheating then there's no argument tone had here. You don't know what's cheating then because there rules in a death match. You say the guys he beat were never the best bruiser trying to sell the idea that the guys he beat in the U6 arc are the best. No by your logic Hitto is the best and like Freeza, Hitto shitted on him. So what's your point?

Except it actually does happen over and over again in Super, by you seem to just pretend like it doesnt. Like for real, Super hasn't been as long as Z and I can already tell you how often he gets shitted on just as often: He gets shitted on by Beerus and still has to watch Goku outperform him. In RoF he wouldn't even fight Freeza first guess we might as well say he was scared to fight Freeza first, he then gets Goku's sloppy seconds in beating down an already weak and exhausted Freeza who still kills him anyway. Hitto trashes a full power SSB Vegeta and Vegeta gets salty as fuck from seeing Base Goku outperform him.

He gets even saltier when Goku busts out SSBKK, Copy Vegeta was one shitshow for Vegeta, Black one-shots him and goes from calling him a warmup to calling him an appetizer, Bulma straight up tells everyone to put their complete faith in Goku win Vegeta right there in front of her, Vegeta and Goku can't even do away with Black's clones, he and Trunks' Galick Gun is shitted on by Goku who actually does damage Zamasu on his own making their attack look trash, this also isn't even forgetting Beerus verbally has shitted on Vegeta himself. Vegeta then gets further jelly from Goku caring more about Hitto as a rival than himself. This idea Super seems to treat. Events differently than Z is false. At least as far as the anime goes, you might have a better case if you use the manga as your argument.

[Sandubadear]

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He meant pics like these
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[Baggie_Saiyan]

Not going to lie, Jiren using a spirit bomb on Goku would be so full of hype. The fact that they're putting so much focus on Gohan getting his ass kicked makes me think that Gohan will manage a win in the end. Either that or he's getting eliminated.

Edit- Mis-read post! Sorry!

[namekiansaiyan]

Not going to lie, Jiren using a spirit bomb on Goku would be so full of hype. The fact that they're putting so much focus on Gohan getting his ass kicked makes me think that Gohan will manage a win in the end. Either that or he's getting eliminated.

This logic literally makes no sense, you are going from zero-100, the supposed summary doesn't even imply much other than Jiren overwhelms with Ki... and you conveniently ignore the fact that these summaries are saying Gohan is struggling against a Yadrat who isn't even the strongest in his universe. But hey if you want to make expectations on things that aren't there then don't don't start complaining when Gohan magically doesn't win.

This is problem, when these summaries drop people literally make shit up that doesn't exist based on the most filmiest reasoning.

Both Gohan and the Yardratian are not the strongest in their Universes so what is the problem with them fighting. You are the one who is assuming theYardratian is not a good fighter.

[SansrivaaL]

I think anyone here that got used to these stuffs are pretty cautious already about leaks like that without source to back it up, people are just having fun speculating.
I'm also not buying those until actual ones that can back it up pops out (tbh I dont buy the legit ones as well because they sometimes put stuffs that doesnt happen or are just wrong), that genkidama seems fishy as hell.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Not going to lie, Jiren using a spirit bomb on Goku would be so full of hype. The fact that they're putting so much focus on Gohan getting his ass kicked makes me think that Gohan will manage a win in the end. Either that or he's getting eliminated.

This logic literally makes no sense, you are going from zero-100, the supposed summary doesn't even imply much other than Jiren overwhelms with Ki... and you conveniently ignore the fact that these summaries are saying Gohan is struggling against a Yadrat who isn't even the strongest in his universe. But hey if you want to make expectations on things that aren't there then don't don't start complaining when Gohan magically doesn't win.

This is problem, when these summaries drop people literally make shit up that doesn't exist based on the most filmiest reasoning.

Both Gohan and the Yardratian are not the strongest in their Universes so what is the problem with them fighting. You are the one who is assuming theYardratian is not a good fighter.

I completely mis-read kinisking post... my bad!

[HeroR]

I think anyone here that got used to these stuffs are pretty cautious already about leaks like that without source to back it up, people are just having fun speculating.
I'm also not buying those until actual ones that can back it up pops out (tbh I dont buy the legit ones as well because they sometimes put stuffs that doesnt happen or are just wrong), that genkidama seems fishy as hell.

That's true of the summaries. Not so much the epsoide titles.

[Boo Machine]

I think it would be really cool if Goku was charging a Genki-Dama the whole time. Somehow. Just waiting to get at Jiren with it.

Also, more Freeza! 3 episodes in a row I'm looking forward to. Great time for a week off! Though if it helps even a tinsy bit, then it's all good.

[Bullza]

Lol at Vegeta not going out like a bitch. Who is more people?

Like the vast amount of people that complained endlessly over the scene to the point that the animators actually changed it up for the anime version. I'd ask why you weren't aware of this but you didn't sign up till May this year so that would explain it.

People droned on and on about that Sorbet ring laser scene at the time.

Yet he still kicked a lot off their asses in the end anyway. Lol you keep saying great bjt thesstuff are life and death fights, he didn't cheat at all against Zarbon. Fighting dirty isn't cheating, love how his is how you're trying to devalue his wins, again hat effort is a fruitless one.

That he beat them eventually doesn't stop the fact that he was beaten savagely, three times in the one saga. He's supposed to be the Proud Prince but he didn't fight Zarbon in a straight up fair fight, he had to use a cheap tactic just so he could win. It's a win but it's not a good win for him.

Again you've yet to actually prove how beating Cabba or Magetta is worth more than beating Zarbon of Jeice.

Because he beat the two of them one after the other in a fair fight. With Zarbon he was almost beaten to death and with Jeice he ran away from him and then beat him afterward after he was no longer shown to be a credible threat, he was sloppy second as you out it.

You say the guys he beat were never the best bruiser trying to sell the idea that the guys he beat in the U6 arc are the best. No by your logic Hitto is the best and like Freeza, Hitto shitted on him. So what's your point?

They were amongst the five best, not the #1 specifically. Vegeta beat three of their best in that Tournament.

In the Namek saga he didn't beat their #1 who was Frieza and he didn't beat their #2 either who was Ginyu. His best win was against Jeice who was no longer impressive and then he beat some third rate fighters, a couple of them like Zarbon and Guldo by being cheap.

Except it actually does happen over and over again in Super, by you seem to just pretend like it doesnt.

It doesn't happen nearly to the same extent. Where Vegeta was a coward and tried to run away from Ginyu and Frieza, that has not happened to all in Super. Where Vegeta cried like a girl when he was beaten by Frieza, that has not happened in Super.

Vegeta was beaten by Zarbon, Recoome, Frieza, Android 18, Cell, Cell again, Fat Buu and Kid Buu. In most those instances soon afterward another character stepped in and do better.

In Super he was beaten and I mean actually beaten down and pummeled by Beerus, Hit, Black and Zamasu and that's it. Nobody beat Beerus. Nobody has fully beaten Hit. Black and Zamasu pummeled Goku and Trunks just the same.

It isn't comparable. Everyone kept surpassing Vegeta in Z, Goku, Gohan, Piccolo, Trunks, Goten and Kid Trunks. In Super he has been the number two after Goku and only with Kaioken for the vast majority of the series.

[FortuneSSJ]

Spoilers 107-109

Love everything expect Goku vs Ribrianne. I want her to be eliminated by someone else. Hopefully their fight gets interrupted.

Anyway, after two less interesting episodes looks like the Tournament will be on-fire again for the next 4 episodes.

I like how it seems Goku vs Jiren will start with other fighters still on the arena instead of going the classic route of they only start fighting, when everyone else is already eliminated. Usually when the big 1 vs 1 fights are happening in this franchise, all the other characters are on the sidelines doing nothing. Have other fights happening at the same time with the main one is a welcome new approach.

The spoilers can be fake though. The Genkidama part is random. It's not hard to come up with believable synopsis for the next episodes, because we already have an idea of what will happen in episode 107 and Goku vs Jiren is confirmed to start in episode 109/110, with Goku showing his new transformation. You just have to fill in the blanks.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

HQ Prize C "Saikyou no Senshitachi" art for ya'll to gawk at this evening.

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The Goku Black and Piccolo look really good everything else is okay.

[Nero<>Akira]

I'll wait for scans.

[Majin Jator]

The hardest thing to believe about those "leaks" is U6 kaioshin having a speaking role. If they have mentioned Champa instead...Anyway, I wouldn't believe anything until we see proper scans.

[omaro34]

If a miracle happens and Vegeta is indeed eliminated earlier than expected then that should be a sign that the ToP is just a stepping stone into a new plot in the arc. Perhaps the theory of the angels and the GP being evil would be then revealed, or a new villain altogether.

I'm not a Vegeta fan by any means, I'm simply indifferent about him, but there's no way on God's green earth that he will take a backseat and the tournament ends up being the main dish of the arc. A fight of this magnitude? No.

Just my opinion.

Spoilers look interesting, but surprised that there's no mention of the Namekians, the Saiyan Girls, or the U 3 Warriors. Cabba seems to have taken a backseat. Why is he resting? He hasn't fought anybody noteworthy.

Spoilers didn't mention that Tien gets eliminated in 106's summary, so anybody can get eliminated at anytime. If Piccolo gets knocked out of the ring without fighting the Namekians y'all will never hear the end of it

[Jigurashi]

Lol at Vegeta not going out like a bitch. Who is more people?

Like the vast amount of people that complained endlessly over the scene to the point that the animators actually changed it up for the anime version. I'd ask why you weren't aware of this but you didn't sign up till May this year so that would explain it.

People droned on and on about that Sorbet ring laser scene at the time.

Yet he still kicked a lot off their asses in the end anyway. Lol you keep saying great bjt thesstuff are life and death fights, he didn't cheat at all against Zarbon. Fighting dirty isn't cheating, love how his is how you're trying to devalue his wins, again hat effort is a fruitless one.

That he beat them eventually doesn't stop the fact that he was beaten savagely, three times in the one saga. He's supposed to be the Proud Prince but he didn't fight Zarbon in a straight up fair fight, he had to use a cheap tactic just so he could win. It's a win but it's not a good win for him.

Again you've yet to actually prove how beating Cabba or Magetta is worth more than beating Zarbon of Jeice.

Because he beat the two of them one after the other in a fair fight. With Zarbon he was almost beaten to death and with Jeice he ran away from him and then beat him afterward after he was no longer shown to be a credible threat, he was sloppy second as you out it.

You say the guys he beat were never the best bruiser trying to sell the idea that the guys he beat in the U6 arc are the best. No by your logic Hitto is the best and like Freeza, Hitto shitted on him. So what's your point?

They were amongst the five best, not the #1 specifically. Vegeta beat three of their best in that Tournament.

In the Namek saga he didn't beat their #1 who was Frieza and he didn't beat their #2 either who was Ginyu. His best win was against Jeice who was no longer impressive and then he beat some third rate fighters, a couple of them like Zarbon and Guldo by being cheap.

Except it actually does happen over and over again in Super, by you seem to just pretend like it doesnt.

It doesn't happen nearly to the same extent. Where Vegeta was a coward and tried to run away from Ginyu and Frieza, that has not happened to all in Super. Where Vegeta cried like a girl when he was beaten by Frieza, that has not happened in Super.

Vegeta was beaten by Zarbon, Recoome, Frieza, Android 18, Cell, Cell again, Fat Buu and Kid Buu. In most those instances soon afterward another character stepped in and do better.

In Super he was beaten and I mean actually beaten down and pummeled by Beerus, Hit, Black and Zamasu and that's it. Nobody beat Beerus. Nobody has fully beaten Hit. Black and Zamasu pummeled Goku and Trunks just the same.

It isn't comparable. Everyone kept surpassing Vegeta in Z, Goku, Gohan, Piccolo, Trunks, Goten and Kid Trunks. In Super he has been the number two after Goku and only with Kaioken for the vast majority of the series.

So them beating down one the strongest protagonist at that point or Vegeta being afraid at first doesn't make those opponents worth any greater? Lol of course we they do. He was straight up stomped by Zarbon, as opposed to shitting on a tired Frost, and no selling Cabba's attacks but you want to talk about them being tertiary level fighters when by that logic so are the dudes he fought in U6. You can call the tactics cheap that's fine, but it isn't at all a knock against Vegeta or his opponents for Vegeta fighting dirty in a fight to the death.

Except he beat Jeice and Zarbon fairly. This idea be cheated in a fight to the death with no rules is laughable at best. As I said before, you can call it cheap, and dirty, but him fighting dirty doesn't mean it isn't a fair fight. No idea why you keep claiming he's cheating.

They we're the best five? So like I said, the guys on Namek were the best guys around outside of Freeza, the same way these guys were the best guys outside of Hitto. It's the same thing. He only ever defeats secondary tier fighters.

As opposed to U6? Their best guy was Hitto, and their number two was either Frost who was already shot by the time Vegeta got him as well, or Magetta who needed help with the dome being placed to help him out against Vegeta.

Except it does. He's been submissive as fuck towards Beerus for the longest time, has his own wife put more faith in his rival than I'm and says that shit in his face, is handed a tired and exhausted Freeza to to beat up only to die to him again and that's suppose to be a good moment? That's arguably the worst moment he's ever gotten. The amount of disrespect to the character in RoF was atrocious. The same applies here, every major opponent he fought in Super someone did better. Beerus, Freeza, Hitto, M-Zamasu he had to watch people do better than him and or save him as well like in Z. It's literally no different.

In Super, he got his ass killed by a beaten down Freeza, shitted on by Hitto, crapped on by gryll and forced to suck on a damn pacifier, gets one-shotted by Black, gets blasted by M-Zamasu while Goku and and Trunks proceed to outshine him there. Like his role isn't any. Ether he's still there to make Goku look better get trashed on unless he's fighting second tier fighters.

Like straight up his best win in Super is on Black who still ended up giving him and Goku trouble afterwards. Black wasn't even the final villain of the saga, that was M-Zamasu, an opponent two other non-fused characters put some work in against. His win on Black is like the equivalent of him beating Cell, who wasn't even at full power himself and once again has to watch 2 people outdo him against. There's literally no win he has in Super that could be called his best win in the series.

[MrBlackFox]

If a miracle happens and Vegeta is indeed eliminated earlier than expected then that should be a sign that the ToP is just a stepping stone into a new plot in the arc. Perhaps the theory of the angels and the GP being evil would be then revealed, or a new villain altogether.

I'm not a Vegeta fan by any means, I'm simply indifferent about him, but there's no way on God's green earth that he will take a backseat and the tournament ends up being the main dish of the arc. A fight of this magnitude? No.

Just my opinion.

Spoilers look interesting, but surprised that there's no mention of the Namekians, the Saiyan Girls, or the U 3 Warriors. Cabba seems to have taken a backseat. Why is he resting? He hasn't fought anybody noteworthy.

Spoilers didn't mention that Tien gets eliminated in 106's summary, so anybody can get eliminated at anytime. If Piccolo gets knocked out of the ring without fighting the Namekians y'all will never hear the end of it

I'm still living in the hope that the tournament will either be interrupted or followed by something else, and all the eliminated characters who are still alive and watching the tournament end up being relevant again, something like GT where group of characters find themselves sparse around strange planets and have to find something or survive

I absolutely, absolutely refuse to believe Krillin and Tien will do nothing more, it's too ridiculous to be true

[DragonBallFoodie]

Those spoilers sound interesting. Will see how true/false they turn out.

[spoiler]So is there a hiatus at the most interesting part, Goku vs Jiren? That's disappointing.[/spoiler]

[namekiansaiyan]

If a miracle happens and Vegeta is indeed eliminated earlier than expected then that should be a sign that the ToP is just a stepping stone into a new plot in the arc. Perhaps the theory of the angels and the GP being evil would be then revealed, or a new villain altogether.

I'm not a Vegeta fan by any means, I'm simply indifferent about him, but there's no way on God's green earth that he will take a backseat and the tournament ends up being the main dish of the arc. A fight of this magnitude? No.

Just my opinion.

Spoilers look interesting, but surprised that there's no mention of the Namekians, the Saiyan Girls, or the U 3 Warriors. Cabba seems to have taken a backseat. Why is he resting? He hasn't fought anybody noteworthy.

Spoilers didn't mention that Tien gets eliminated in 106's summary, so anybody can get eliminated at anytime. If Piccolo gets knocked out of the ring without fighting the Namekians y'all will never hear the end of it

If people want characters like Frieza and Gohan to do well then VElegeta will not do as well due to the fighters left in other Universes.

We never got spoilers for episode 106 and only the preview card.

Jiren vs Goku is just coming early.

They mention Gohan but no Piccolo so where did he go? If they sperate then that would be a good start for Piccolo going forward.

There are way too many fighters left for this to be the end.