"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Discussion specifically regarding the "Dragon Ball Super" TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by buutenks » Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:56 am

Why would vegeta be drained?Unless stated he simply lost some water and after drinking he should be back refreshed.

If you want actual evidence.ssgss goku takes a good ass kicking from golden freeza and his power doesnt drop at all, on top of that goku fires a bazzilion kamehas at beerus in his fight.Plus goku fired some kamehas vs freeza and ki blasts and again his power didnt drop at all.

So unlike z where goku lost a ton of power from one kameha, now he has no such issues and can fight at max with no issues, even after taking a good beating and firing ki blasts and kamehas.

On top of that, we see that vegeta has better stamina than goku. So he can last even longer.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by emperior » Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:12 pm

On DBZ characters put all their power on attacks such as Kamehameha and Final Flash (as the stakes were much higher than they are now)
Vegeta probably used a good amount of his SSJ energy to fire both the Galick Gun and the Final Flash but that power is so few for him as of now that it doesn't make any difference. While against Beerus he lost almost all his energy when he fired the Galick Gun as he put all his power in that single attack.
Against Freezer Goku probably lost a tiny bit of his power while Freezer lost a lot of his because of the ki draining drawbacks of his Golden form.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Duo » Mon Mar 28, 2016 1:15 pm

If Viz could land the rights to the manga release ahead of FUNImation getting the anime, I figure the sales would be a lot better for them because folks wouldn't have any other way to get to the new story legally. Maybe that's just wistful thinking.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by buutenks » Mon Mar 28, 2016 3:16 pm

emperior wrote:On DBZ characters put all their power on attacks such as Kamehameha and Final Flash (as the stakes were much higher than they are now)
Vegeta probably used a good amount of his SSJ energy to fire both the Galick Gun and the Final Flash but that power is so few for him as of now that it doesn't make any difference. While against Beerus he lost almost all his energy when he fired the Galick Gun as he put all his power in that single attack.
Against Freezer Goku probably lost a tiny bit of his power while Freezer lost a lot of his because of the ki draining drawbacks of his Golden form.
Yes i know how it works. But vegeta showed no sign of fatigue after he broke the smaller arena walls.

Even after the fight all vegeta needed was water, he wasnt shown breathing hard or what not.

So i doubt he used up that much energy.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by kinisking » Mon Mar 28, 2016 3:25 pm

buutenks wrote:Why would vegeta be drained?Unless stated he simply lost some water and after drinking he should be back refreshed.

If you want actual evidence.ssgss goku takes a good ass kicking from golden freeza and his power doesnt drop at all, on top of that goku fires a bazzilion kamehas at beerus in his fight.Plus goku fired some kamehas vs freeza and ki blasts and again his power didnt drop at all.

So unlike z where goku lost a ton of power from one kameha, now he has no such issues and can fight at max with no issues, even after taking a good beating and firing ki blasts and kamehas.

On top of that, we see that vegeta has better stamina than goku. So he can last even longer.
Since when has he had better stamina?
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Tue Mar 29, 2016 1:27 pm

V-Jump released a teaser of the collected volume over on Twitter. Unfortunately, it looks as though they didn't bother including the Resurrection "F"/Golden Freeza adaptation. Not that there was much reason to believe they would, but still. I hate the fact that I'd be putting this on my self and the story will be incomplete.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Nejishiki » Tue Mar 29, 2016 1:34 pm

Nice to have confirmation as I was wondering this myself. It's a shame because it will indeed be awkward to go from seeing a chapter end with setting up Resurrection F only for the immediate next page to have narration that they defeated Freeza.

Then again, I suppose it's equally as awkward for the three chapters to be included, only for them to end after Goku and Freeza fight a bit and we cut straight to the page I mentioned beforehand. Perhaps we should wait for the Kanzenban release where Toyotaro includes additional pages for us. :lol:

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Wezenheim » Tue Mar 29, 2016 1:40 pm

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:V-Jump released a teaser of the collected volume over on Twitter. Unfortunately, it looks as though they didn't bother including the Resurrection "F"/Golden Freeza adaptation. Not that there was much reason to believe they would, but still. I hate the fact that I'd be putting this on my self and the story will be incomplete.
I also really wish Toyotaro finished his 'F' story. The main bulk of the Super story is going to be the content after the movies anyway, but it does leave an "incomplete" feeling.

The paper seems to be pretty decent, but it looks like the images bleed through a bit. That's about what I was expecting though, I still think that tankobon looks really nice.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Chuquita » Tue Mar 29, 2016 2:22 pm

Sad they're skipping his F chapters, but the way the spine image is set up makes me think there's probably one or two arcs after this tournament so there's that at least.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by namekiansaiyan » Tue Mar 29, 2016 2:44 pm

Chuquita wrote:Sad they're skipping his F chapters, but the way the spine image is set up makes me think there's probably one or two arcs after this tournament so there's that at least.
There could be more as they could easily extend that picture further.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Chuquita » Tue Mar 29, 2016 3:20 pm

namekiansaiyan wrote:
Chuquita wrote:Sad they're skipping his F chapters, but the way the spine image is set up makes me think there's probably one or two arcs after this tournament so there's that at least.
There could be more as they could easily extend that picture further.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Dbzfan94 » Tue Mar 29, 2016 5:46 pm

Chuquita wrote:Sad they're skipping his F chapters, but the way the spine image is set up makes me think there's probably one or two arcs after this tournament so there's that at least.
Sorry for sounding ignorant, but where was the spine shown? I'm interested in seeing this :o

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by namekiansaiyan » Tue Mar 29, 2016 5:50 pm

Dbzfan94 wrote:
Chuquita wrote:Sad they're skipping his F chapters, but the way the spine image is set up makes me think there's probably one or two arcs after this tournament so there's that at least.
Sorry for sounding ignorant, but where was the spine shown? I'm interested in seeing this :o
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by sintzu » Wed Mar 30, 2016 10:04 am

The volume's official date is April 3rd so is there any chance it'll leak before that like V Jump ?
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by emperior » Wed Mar 30, 2016 1:56 pm

So on April 3rd we will have Toyotaro and Toriyama's interview?
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by VegettoEX » Wed Mar 30, 2016 1:58 pm

emperior wrote:So on April 3rd we will have Toyotaro and Toriyama's interview?
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Nejishiki » Wed Mar 30, 2016 2:05 pm

Patience is a virtue! I'd rather wait on Kanzenshuu's trustworty translations than see other sites use their machine translations to be as quick and confusing to the fanbase as possible.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:02 pm

Do you guys think that if the first volume of the manga sells well that it will turn into a weekly publication? I mean, it's very unlikely, but who knows. If the numbers are good... I mean, crazier stuff has happened in Dragon Ball.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by VegettoEX » Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:04 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:Do you guys think that if the first volume of the manga sells well that it will turn into a weekly publication? I mean, it's very unlikely, but who knows. If the numbers are good... I mean, crazier stuff has happened in Dragon Ball. :P
No. It's very specifically created for V-Jump. There is not enough interest in a not-actually-drawn-by-Toriyama manga series for it to warrant a coveted spot in Weekly Shonen Jump. Sorry to rain on the parade of hopes and dreams, but folks really need to abandon any thought of this going weekly. That's not its point and that's not the weight being thrown behind it.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:06 pm

VegettoEX wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:Do you guys think that if the first volume of the manga sells well that it will turn into a weekly publication? I mean, it's very unlikely, but who knows. If the numbers are good... I mean, crazier stuff has happened in Dragon Ball. :P
No. It's very specifically created for V-Jump. There is not enough interest in a not-actually-drawn-by-Toriyama manga series for it to warrant a coveted spot in Weekly Shonen Jump. Sorry to rain on the parade of hopes and dreams, but folks really need to abandon any thought of this going weekly. That's not its point and that's not the weight being thrown behind it.
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