"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Kanassa]

Calling it now, Roshi's winning the tournament via being the last man standing or being set up as a brutal victim of Jiren to give Goku a personal connection to Jiren's defeat.

Jerin is part of a hero group so I don't think he'd go after an old man.

Not really. Roshi has shown to be much more than an old man, besides, I'm still in the mind set that Jiren isn't exactly a hero, maybe a villain recruited out of desperation like Frieza.

[snpaa]

He's gone "above" what most of us expected of him because the writers wrote it that way. It doesn't make it right or consistent with everything else.

Well yeah, of course. That's how fiction works. Shit happens because it's written that way, these characters aren't living beings with a mind of their own but big bad Toie/Toriyama keeps using their mighty pen of reality bending to trip them up with magic.

I think we all know how fiction works , the problem with that is that the way it was written isn't organic to the series and doesn't follow the show's internal logic , it's like the equivalent of having a character like chaiotzu come out of nowhere and beat the living dog shit out of vegeta and use the excuse of him training off screen while they were at the universe TOP combined with the use of his unorthodox tactics of using his telekinesis, you would call bullshit on it... or maybe you would defend it ,I've seen worse offenses being defended tooth in nail in this series to the point I don't know what everybody is willing to swallow.

[Boo Machine]

I think we all know how fiction works , the problem with that is that the way it was written isn't organic to the series and doesn't follow the show's internal logic , it's like the equivalent of having a character like chaiotzu come out of nowhere and beat the living dog shit out of vegeta and use the excuse of him training off screen while they were at the universe TOP combined with the use of his unorthodox tactics of using his telekinesis, you would call bullshit on it... or maybe you would defend it ,I've seen worse offenses being defended tooth in nail in this series to the point I don't know what everybody is willing to swallow.

That's not an equivalent at all. We aren't in situation where someone like Chaiotzu is beating up someone like Vegeta. Not even close to it. We are in a situation where Roshi is simply fighting lower tierd fighters and tricksters. So I'm not sure what's so inorganic about Roshi doing so with his off screen training. You might see that as a cheap excuse and you woldn't even be wrong. But Roshi didn't show up dunking Freeza. He stayed in the background until he harrased someone off the stage, Mafubad someone, and then nearly killed himself trying to beat howard the duck on steriods.

Nothing about what he has done has painted him to be some unstoppable badass. Just an Old master doing his part.

[sintzu]

I'm in the mind set that Jiren isn't exactly a hero, maybe a villain recruited out of desperation like Frieza.

I think he's a hero but maybe one who started as a villain and was reformed later like Vegeta.

[snpaa]

That's not an equivalent at all. We aren't in situation where someone like Chaiotzu is beating up someone like Vegeta. Not even close to it. We are in a situation where Roshi is simply fighting lower tierd fighters and tricksters. So I'm not sure what's so inorganic about Roshi doing so with his off screen training. You might see that as a cheap excuse and you woldn't even be wrong. But Roshi didn't show up dunking Freeza. He stayed in the background until he harrased someone off the stage, Mafubad someone, and then nearly killed himself trying to beat howard the duck on steriods.

Nothing about what he has done has painted him to be some unstoppable badass. Just an Old master doing his part.

It's an equivalent because if the writer "wrote" it that way we have to accept it with your logic, even tho it makes no sense because the show has shown that tactics don't matter when there is a huge power level difference .

https://imgur.com/CJxu2x5

It's not organic to series because roshi has been shown all throughout dragon ball and z to be doing nothing more then ogling and molesting women , yet now he's suddenly stronger or on par with a characters who have been shown to surpass him and be consistently training.

I'm going to work now , so go in to more detail why these arent the equivlent of each other.

[Boo Machine]

It's an equivalent because if the writer "wrote" it that way we have to accept it with your logic, even tho it makes no sense because the show has shown that tactics don't matter when there is a huge power level difference .

Sorry but no. It's not the same thing. Because you're under the assumption I'm using the same logic for every situation. You're example is an exaggerated scenario that hasn't happened. It doesn't exist. It's not the same thing because Roshi isn't beating someone who is Vegeta level. It's not a thing that 's happening and nothing like it is happening. It's just a "what if". There isn't a huge power level difference between the people Roshi is fighting. Roshi didn't fight Jiren and win, he fought Duck man and almost died. So no. Again. Your example is not anywhere close to anything that has happened. It doesn't work regardless of whatever you think I would do or whatever you think my logic is.

https://imgur.com/CJxu2x5

Like I've told other people, you can't just take a fan drawing some dude drew and call it evidence. The artist can make you see whatever they want you to see. It's ridiculous and dishonest. (It's always the same artist to. The dude is funny but I swear it's like some of you worship this guy)

It's not organic to series because roshi has been shown all throughout dragon ball and z to be doing nothing more then ogling and molesting women , yet now he's suddenly stronger or on par with a characters who have been shown to surpass him and be consistently training.

Secret training my friend. " But that's Bull shit!" I hear some people cry, and I've heard and acknowledged how cheap it is. But it's an explanation for it. Whether you or I like it or not is irrelevant. It's a thing that happened. A character trained and got stronger. What an amazing concept. Dragonball should do that more often. Yeah it was off screen, but shit happens off screen sometimes. Vegeta got Super Saiyan off screen and it was one of his biggest badass moments.

And Roshi didn't surpass anyone. In his own episode he used tricks and magic and skill and even had to surpass his own limits to win and then almost died doing it. What other character is having nearly as much trouble as him? Him still being in the ring doesn't make him stronger than those who are out.

I'm going to work now.

Have a good day at work!

[Xeogran]

man...

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This pretty much confirms that Maji isn't eliminating Dyspo next week, right?

[Whatever]

man...

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This pretty much confirms that Maji isn't eliminating Dyspo next week, right?

Geez what a surprise,i would never guess that this random fodder won't eliminate the 3rd most important person of the most important universe storywise.

[Liquir]

man...

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From YonkouProductions

[Xeogran]

man...

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This pretty much confirms that Maji isn't eliminating Dyspo next week, right?

Geez what a surprise,i would never guess that this random fodder won't eliminate the 3rd most important person of the most important universe storywise.

He's not a random fodder >_>

I wouldn't be surprised if Toppo saves Dyspo from Maji's counter attack smh.

[SansrivaaL]

SSJBKKx20 couldnt even do the fucking job? well damn boy no wonder he relies on genkidama, its like Namek arc all over again, is it just me or is the scenario here really similar to Namek arc?
Goku goes KKx20, couldnt do the job, uses genkidama, couldnt do the job, gets a new form and shirtless again... yeah namek arc.

[Legion]

Yeah, is another Goku vs Frieza.

[Xeogran]

Yeah, is another Goku vs Frieza.

But the actual Freeza is standing on the sidelines

[namekiansaiyan]

Will everyone stop using the word 'fodder' all the time?

I am going to assume that Maji kayo is the only one to go out in episode 108 and becuase wr know we have Goku vs Ribrianne along with Gohan vs Jimeze then I think the other 3 fighters out before episode 109 could be from Universe. They could be by Piccolo because he is with Gohan and maybe Frieza becuase he is also there.

[Legion]

Yeah, is another Goku vs Frieza.

But the actual Freeza is standing on the sidelines

For now

[dbgtFO]

Yeah, is another Goku vs Frieza.

But the actual Freeza is standing on the sidelines

For now

I wonder if Freeza is going to watch all of that take place and realize how much it mimics their first fight

[Alruneia]

man...

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From YonkouProductions

So what they're saying is that Goku is gonna "fight Frieza again". Only it's Blue Kaioken this time. After what happened to him last time he used more than x2. What I'm getting at is:
I can't believe Son Goku is fucking dead
I wonder how the manga version will handle this, since it currently doesn't have Blue Kaioken at all, using Mastered Blue instead (and the two seem pretty incompatible to me).
The crazy part will be when Jiren "blows up" Frieza just like Frieza blew up Krillin and that causes Goku to transform.

[BlueBasilisk]

SSJBKKx20 couldnt even do the fucking job? well damn boy no wonder he relies on genkidama, its like Namek arc all over again, is it just me or is the scenario here really similar to Namek arc?
Goku goes KKx20, couldnt do the job, uses genkidama, couldnt do the job, gets a new form and shirtless again... yeah namek arc.

Krillin and Vegeta might want to watch themselves around Jiren.

Kaioken x20 sounds pretty intense. I can't wait to see what that looks like.

[SansrivaaL]

SSJBKKx20 couldnt even do the fucking job? well damn boy no wonder he relies on genkidama, its like Namek arc all over again, is it just me or is the scenario here really similar to Namek arc?
Goku goes KKx20, couldnt do the job, uses genkidama, couldnt do the job, gets a new form and shirtless again... yeah namek arc.

Krillin and Vegeta might want to watch themselves around Jiren.

Kaioken x20 sounds pretty intense. I can't wait to see what that looks like.

Calling it now! Roshi's gonna be the Krillin to Goku's new form, Piccolo,Gohan and Vegeta will retain their roles back in namek arc, this'll give Krillin some PTSD moments

[Kanassa]

I am going to assume that Maji kayo is the only one to go out in episode 108 and becuase wr know we have Goku vs Ribrianne along with Gohan vs Jimeze then I think the other 3 fighters out before episode 109 could be from Universe. They could be by Piccolo because he is with Gohan and maybe Frieza becuase he is also there.

Well, we know that by episode 109 4 fighters will be eliminated.

None from Universe 7 or 6.

The advertisements seem to make it likely that Toppo and Dypso will still be around by the time of Goku VS Jiren

So, i think the fourth survivor from Universe 11 will be out, Maji Kayo, and since Universe 2 seems to have more of it's members going up against 7 I'm thinking Ribianne and Jim (That's what I'm calling the Yardrat now!) could be the last two out. Universe 3 seem to be an after thought at the moment.