Dragon Ball Z "Seasons" On Blu-ray: News & Discussion

[Codarik]

Hey! I just popped in season 1 3rd disc and episode: Goku's arrival or arrives, and Goku still says ''I'll have you know I was training in the art of Kay-oken and Vegeta says ''Huh? Kay-oken?'' not Kai-oken? Did their original release say Kaioken? I'm confused here.

The line happens after Goku uses the Kaioken move on Vegeta, Vegeta says something along the lines of "That Kaioken attack is a nice trick but I've encountered something like that before!", originally Vegeta pronounced it correctly, but it made it inconsistent since they've been pronouncing it as "Kayoken", now in the BluRay Vegeta says "Kayoken" to keep the dub more consistent.

[Valerius Dover]

Hey! I just popped in season 1 3rd disc and episode: Goku's arrival or arrives, and Goku still says ''I'll have you know I was training in the art of Kay-oken and Vegeta says ''Huh? Kay-oken?'' not Kai-oken? Did their original release say Kaioken? I'm confused here.

The line happens after Goku uses the Kaioken move on Vegeta, Vegeta says something along the lines of "That Kaioken attack is a nice trick but I've encountered something like that before!", originally Vegeta pronounced it correctly, but it made it inconsistent since they've been pronouncing it as "Kayoken", now in the BluRay Vegeta says "Kayoken" to keep the dub more consistent.

On the Orange Brick, he said it as Kaio-Ken with the US music on, and Kayo-Ken with the JP Music on. This, along with Maron's voice in the Androids Saga, is one of the only dialog differences between the two.

[samuraix123]

Hey! I just popped in season 1 3rd disc and episode: Goku's arrival or arrives, and Goku still says ''I'll have you know I was training in the art of Kay-oken and Vegeta says ''Huh? Kay-oken?'' not Kai-oken? Did their original release say Kaioken? I'm confused here.

The line happens after Goku uses the Kaioken move on Vegeta, Vegeta says something along the lines of "That Kaioken attack is a nice trick but I've encountered something like that before!", originally Vegeta pronounced it correctly, but it made it inconsistent since they've been pronouncing it as "Kayoken", now in the BluRay Vegeta says "Kayoken" to keep the dub more consistent.

Haha thanks for clearing that up bud. I was watching when Goku started powering up for the first time against Nappa and Vegeta haha

[TheAldella]

Can you guys upload the specific lines as clips so I can hear the change?

[SSJ Electric Fury]

Season two is currently out of stock on Walmart's website and has had a price spike on Amazon. Season three's price went up on Walmart's website, but on Amazon it is only slightly higher than before. Season five is still listed for $34.99 USD on the latter.

[Kendamu]

I was watching the Season 4 special features and these comparison shots between the Orange Bricks and the Blu-rays showed up on screen. Thought they might be interesting to look over as they're FUNimation's own comparisons for showing off color, detail, and framing differences. Also, in said feature, the guy being interviewed talks about the 16mm film they used being a new film source. I'm assuming he means that it's a different source than the one they scanned in for the Orange Bricks.

Spoiler tags so I don't flood the entire page with images.

Spoiler:

[Metalwario64]

Yeah, they've been posted a while back. It's amazing they'd use such a terrible method (nearest neighbor) for upscaling the Orange Brick footage. It's such a terrible comparison.

[Kendamu]

Are those upscaled? I thought they just literally enlarged the video while showing it next to 1080p. It kinda reminded me of playing the DBox on a DVD player that had no upscaling while my PS3 was broken a couple years ago.

[Metalwario64]

Yeah. Scaling up an image, no matter what how it's done, is technically upscaling. It's just that they didn't use any filters at all, making it look extremely pixelated, and thus, pointless.

[UltimateHammerBro]

Yeah. Scaling up an image, no matter what how it's done, is technically upscaling. It's just that they didn't use any filters at all, making it look extremely pixelated, and thus, pointless.

Maybe they wanted to do something similar to the Orange Bricks. Didn't they fake the comparisons with the original footage by adding grain and stuff to make the OBs look better? In this case, they've made a crappy upscaling so that the Blu-Rays look even better in comparison (I say "even" because, with all their defects, they still look better than the OBs).

[Metalwario64]

Okay, I just took a comparison shot from the orange brick, and it proved my suspicion: that the orange brick footage in that comparison isn't even the full resolution.



vs.



Either they're trying to make the Blu-rays look better, or they're so incompetent that they can't even capture their own footage at the proper resolution.

[MarcFBR]

Okay, I just took a comparison shot from the orange brick, and it proved my suspicion: that the orange brick footage in that comparison isn't even the full resolution.

http://i.imgur.com/s3G43xI.png
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http://i.imgur.com/U4N3TH6.jpg[

Either they're trying to make the Blu-rays look better, or they're so incompetent that they can't even capture their own footage at the proper resolution.

It's a bad comparison, until/if you hit the point of "Well this is a trailer and we are trying to show a comparison of how the detail looks on a DVD vs a Blu-ray."

Not saying it's what I'd do, but it isn't technically the wrong way to do such a comparison (and I've certainly seen it done before... hell, it was even done plenty to show how much better DVD was going to be from VHS.)

[Kendamu]

Which is pretty much the point of the comparison. "I'm a video engineer. I'm going to talk about remastering DBZ for about fifteen minutes. Here's some direct comparisons of our old product as-is compared to our new product. Thanks for buying the new product. Tell your friends to buy the new product, too."

[ParkerAL]

As blatantly inaccurate as Funimation's comparison shots are, you got to love the (probably) unintended underlying message behind them: "Hey guys! Look at the crappy job we did on the Orange Brick DVDs, LOL. Now buy our Blu Rays. We promise we didn't f*** the footage up like last time!"

[qjz123]

As blatantly inaccurate as Funimation's comparison shots are, you got to love the (probably) unintended underlying message behind them: "Hey guys! Look at the crappy job we did on the Orange Brick DVDs, LOL. Now buy our Blu Rays. We promise we didn't f*** the footage up like last time!"

The weird part is that they didn't have to lie, there are plenty of scenes they could have shown that looked better on the blu rays such as
Orange Brick

Season Blu ray

[eledoremassis02]

Watching the extra about the restoration. I wonder why they don't wet gate scan? Wouldn't that save a lot of time than to do it digitally, unless their film is that bad of shape.

Also, whenever I'm like "Well maybe I'll check out the season sets" I see shots like these

I'm like "Whyyyyyy"

Also, the guy they were interveiwng said sometimes with a scan the colors can be muted or the image could become dark. Since crushed blacks have been an issue, even with newer film sources. Could their scan process be to blame?

[Metalwario64]

Which is pretty much the point of the comparison. "I'm a video engineer. I'm going to talk about remastering DBZ for about fifteen minutes. Here's some direct comparisons of our old product as-is compared to our new product. Thanks for buying the new product. Tell your friends to buy the new product, too."

I initially thought it was a nearest neighbor upscale, since others before said that's what it looked like, but the thing is, after making that comparison above, their Orange Brick footage looks like they halved the resolution for it, then blew it back up. I took the same shot from the Orange Brick above, and it's more detailed and higher resolution. Therefore it's not really a direct comparison anymore.

To be clear, what it looks like is that they shrunk the footage in half:



Then blew it back up to the original resolution, loosing half of the detail:



Looks close to me:



And again, the original Orange Brick shot:




I could be misunderstanding everyone, and you guys could be saying that shrinking the old image's resolution and losing detail to make the new product look better is standard practice, and therefore okay, but even if that's the case, then I think it's wrong and misleading.

[qjz123]

Which is pretty much the point of the comparison. "I'm a video engineer. I'm going to talk about remastering DBZ for about fifteen minutes. Here's some direct comparisons of our old product as-is compared to our new product. Thanks for buying the new product. Tell your friends to buy the new product, too."

I initially thought it was a nearest neighbor upscale, since others before said that's what it looked like, but the thing is, after making that comparison above, their Orange Brick footage looks like they halved the resolution for it, then blew it back up. I took the same shot from the Orange Brick above, and it's more detailed and higher resolution. Therefore it's not really a direct comparison anymore.

To be clear, what it looks like is that they shrunk the footage in half:



Then blew it back up to the original resolution, loosing half of the detail:



Looks close to me:



And again, the original Orange Brick shot:




I could be misunderstanding everyone, and you guys could be saying that shrinking the old image's resolution and losing detail to make the new product look better is standard practice, and therefore okay, but even if that's the case, then I think it's wrong and misleading.

The downscaled shot Kendamu uploaded doesn't look nearly as bad as the full res version

I believe they did use nearest neighbor to upscale it to 1080p.

[Metalwario64]

Yeah, but it still looks like it was at half of the original resolution.

Here's the original shot scaled to 1080p with nearest neighbor for reference (right click view image for full resolution):



It's nowhere near as jagged and pixelated as FUNimation's example. It definitely isn't at the full resolution, meaning it was made to look more pixelated and has lost lots of detail, whether intentional or not.

Actually, it looks like the vertical resolution was halved. The vertical lines looks intact, but horizontal information looks very pixelated. Like this:



Then blown up into this:



Maybe something went wrong in their editor's settings?

[LordCrumb]

Watching the extra about the restoration. I wonder why they don't wet gate scan? Wouldn't that save a lot of time than to do it digitally, unless their film is that bad of shape.

Also, whenever I'm like "Well maybe I'll check out the season sets" I see shots like these

I'm like "Whyyyyyy"

Also, the guy they were interveiwng said sometimes with a scan the colors can be muted or the image could become dark. Since crushed blacks have been an issue, even with newer film sources. Could their scan process be to blame?

Oh 4:3, how I miss thee