Zamasu55 wrote:TheOne wrote:Zamasu55 wrote:
It was obvious.
No it's not "obvious". It's just your assumption.
Here's a fact. You all completely forget about what happened when Goku fought Toppo. Bermoud(?) asked Toppo if he thought he could beat Goku in the tournament and he says he doesn't know, but his friend Jiren is stronger than him.
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Why the heck would Bermoud(?) care about how strong Toppo was if Jiren was the guy Whis was talking about? He wouldn't even care about the competition if he know there was a mortal in his universe that could beat him. It's an automatic win. Not to mention he showed no evidence of even knowing who Jiren was.
IF Jiren happened to be the guy they were talking about, then they'd be REALLY bad at writing scripts. It would make them look incompetent. What I said was a fact, not speculation.
Without overthinking everything (like everyone tends to do) it makes more sense for the guy they're talking about to be in one of the exempt universes. You know. The universes that aren't filled with weaklings?
Goku's question: Can we win the tournament?
Whis answers: "There's a guy stronger than his God of Destruction".
Seriously.
How about you go back and rewatch the scene? You just cut and pasted the parts you want to hear. It's obvious that you don't want to hear anything other than what you already perceived to be true.
He says he doesn't know about the other universes, HOWEVER blah blah.. No God of Destruction can beat him.
This could've been taken one of two ways and the scenarios that follow.
1) He is the mortal they were talking about. But for that to be true, you'd have to throw away the fact that Bermoud made no indication of knowing who Jiren is. Things previously stated would have to be ignored if what you're saying is true. Which I doubt they'd put such a bold statement in there just to be thrown away. If Jiren was stronger than him, he wouldn't care how well Toppo did because he knew Jiren wouldn't have a problem. If Jiren was the mortal you were talking about, this transformation would cause him to surpass Beerus, essentially leaving no room to grow in strength and pretty much saying Goku is only rivaled by the power of the angels. With an ongoing series that shows no signs of slowing down, that's not going to happen. Both the manga and the anime have gone out of their way to show us how large the gap in power is between them despite all their training. From Beerus manhandling Vegeta after a perfected SSB to Beerus using his air to blow away a portion Of Sidras attack. So Jiren can be the guy you're talking about, but it'd be a terrible idea if the series was going to continue after this arc.
2) Jiren is not the guy they were talking about and is just this arcs main antagonist for Goku, who needed to be hyped up. Just another stepping stone for Goku in his pursuit of getting stronger. The fighter would most likely be in one of the exempt universes. Jiren NOT being the guy would mean the series intends to go on for awhile longer, which would be ideal for most Dragon Ball fans. I have a feeling they are taking this route. I remember the chick voicing Goku saying that she hopes dragon ball goes on for hundreds of episodes longer. That's a real possibility considering how well it's being received.
So it's whatever you people want to believe. We will find out soon enough whether Jiren is the guy or not. I hope you guys are man enough to admit you're wrong if it happens.
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