"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[ssbgoku]

They've been hyping up Jiren for months now. Anyone who is surprised clearly didn't notice the extent of promotion they've been giving Jiren since this tournament started.

Agreed. I mean whether people like the fact he's this strong or not, it was bound to happen.

I actually wanted him to be stronger, like SSJBKKx100 stomp level stronger, but I'll take x20, I just hope he stomps Goku.

ah Dbs just make up your down mind..., back to ridiculous overhelming power ?, One just can not mix dbz(power level is almost everything in battle) with db (skills matter but power level makes most of battle). Of course it is lazy route and adding nostalgia + hyping character and not bothering to be creative about character's abilities make it worse.

Watch Toei or author of manga nerfing both jiren and goku's new transformation when power creep will become uncomfortable for them to use weaker characters in plot even although their's own fault for introducing it in first time. Too bad consistency in dbs will never exist, all just pure fan service.

[omaro34]

Outside of Gohan, Goku getting that rage due to any of the U7 warriors being eliminated wouldn't be justified enough. His best friend Krillin is already on the sidelines.

It can be justified depending on how brutal would be the elimination, by all means they can have Roshi still around just for this purpose.

Goku's reaction for Roshi in 105 caught many people off guard including myself. We haven't seen Goku get that emotional for a long time, and he never reacted that way for Roshi in the past. Krillin would have been a better person for this historically speaking, but I hope this doesn't happen altogether.

But since Zeno allowed the Mafuba to slide, he might get bored and allow killing as the tournament moves along. After all, Zeno's a child. That could be the stepping stone for Goku raging over somebody that we both hope won't happen.

[Noah]

Even though I still think it's stupid, one part of me can't wait to see Goku screaming "Kaioken Niju Bai Da" just like he screamed "Ju Bai Da" against Hit

[Michsi]

They weren't hidden from us. The two bugs from U4 were hidden, with the Namekians it seems much like the case of Tien where TOEI forgot to animate them in shots.

No, we saw silhouettes of them when each team was shown, so they've been hiding them.

I can't believe some people didn't even notice that there was 2 silhouettes behind Hit or if they didn't why wasn't they wondering where the other 2 Universe 6 fighters were.?

There are some people who don't even realise that there are Namekians because they missed them when they appeared on the Godpad twice for about a second.

If it weren't for those promotional pictures where they listed each member we probably wouldn't even known to look for them on the pad. Can't remember how visible they were during that shot.

My guess is this: they already exhausted the surprise with the saiyans and Freeza's race of U6 with the previous tournament arc, so there was no need to be so evasive with these characters. Namekians were the only other U7 equivalent yet to be revealed so they're being all mysterious with them.

It remains to be seen whether or not they will end up a dud or a great addition to the arc.

[Rhuagh]

Kaioken x20? That's ridiculous. Introducing Kaioken with Blue is a bad idea in the first place, but if they were going to do it anyway, at least don't go ape shit with the numbers. It makes Super Saiyajin Blue so patetic. I would rather have:

- Regular(x2) Kaioken against Hit. Same visual as x10.
- Sanbai and Yonbai Kaioken against Jiren. Same visual, but more intense.

Makes for the same cool factor, but doesn't turn SSJB into a joke.

[Jigurashi]

They've been hyping up Jiren for months now. Anyone who is surprised clearly didn't notice the extent of promotion they've been giving Jiren since this tournament started.

Agreed. I mean whether people like the fact he's this strong or not, it was bound to happen.

Well, until they give him a personality instead of a uninteresting mute, the number of people that don't like the fact that he's this strong will not decrease.

Very true. Of course I'll probably end up liking him more when he actually fights Goku. Was a bad idea of Toei to not give him more screen time earlier to do things. But nothing to do but to look ahead now.

They've been hyping up Jiren for months now. Anyone who is surprised clearly didn't notice the extent of promotion they've been giving Jiren since this tournament started.

Agreed. I mean whether people like the fact he's this strong or not, it was bound to happen.

I actually wanted him to be stronger, like SSJBKKx100 stomp level stronger, but I'll take x20, I just hope he stomps Goku.

He likely is going to stomp Goku at some point, I'm not even concerned about that.

[ArchedThunder]

Kaioken x20? That's ridiculous. Introducing Kaioken with Blue is a bad idea in the first place, but if they were going to do it anyway, at least don't go ape shit with the numbers. It makes Super Saiyajin Blue so patetic. I would rather have:

- Regular(x2) Kaioken against Hit. Same visual as x10.
- Sanbai and Yonbai Kaioken against Jiren. Same visual, but more intense.

Makes for the same cool factor, but doesn't turn SSJB into a joke.

I don't see how the return of Kaioken X20 is ridiculous and makes Blue pathetic.

[Noah]

I don't see how the return of Kaioken X20 is ridiculous and makes Blue pathetic.

It's ridiculous cause Goku suffered a lot from the aftermath of the Champa arc, even though this current arc is implying he managed a way to use this combo without straining his body, he never tried to use x10 again let alone now x20.

And makes Blue pathetic, cause since it's anime debut it's a form that only serves as punchbag in the series and succeed a few times thanks to the Kaioken combo.

Kaioken x20? That's ridiculous. Introducing Kaioken with Blue is a bad idea in the first place, but if they were going to do it anyway, at least don't go ape shit with the numbers. It makes Super Saiyajin Blue so patetic. I would rather have:

- Regular(x2) Kaioken against Hit. Same visual as x10.
- Sanbai and Yonbai Kaioken against Jiren. Same visual, but more intense.

Makes for the same cool factor, but doesn't turn SSJB into a joke.

I have the same thoughts, but too bad Toei can't do their math right. Now we're supposed to believe Beerus is still stronger than current Kaioken x20 + SSJB Goku.

[ssbgoku]

Kaioken x20? That's ridiculous. Introducing Kaioken with Blue is a bad idea in the first place, but if they were going to do it anyway, at least don't go ape shit with the numbers. It makes Super Saiyajin Blue so patetic. I would rather have:

- Regular(x2) Kaioken against Hit. Same visual as x10.
- Sanbai and Yonbai Kaioken against Jiren. Same visual, but more intense.

Makes for the same cool factor, but doesn't turn SSJB into a joke.

I complelty assign myself under it

[Jigurashi]

I don't see how the return of Kaioken X20 is ridiculous and makes Blue pathetic.

It's ridiculous cause Goku suffered a lot from the aftermath of the Champa arc, even though this current arc is implying he managed a way to use this combo without straining his body, he never tried to use x10 again let alone now x20.

And makes Blue pathetic, cause since it's anime debut it's a form that only serves as punchbag in the series and succeed a few times thanks to the Kaioken combo.

Kaioken x20? That's ridiculous. Introducing Kaioken with Blue is a bad idea in the first place, but if they were going to do it anyway, at least don't go ape shit with the numbers. It makes Super Saiyajin Blue so patetic. I would rather have:

- Regular(x2) Kaioken against Hit. Same visual as x10.
- Sanbai and Yonbai Kaioken against Jiren. Same visual, but more intense.

Makes for the same cool factor, but doesn't turn SSJB into a joke.

I have the same thoughts, but too bad Toei can't do their math right. Now we're supposed to believe Beerus is still stronger than current Kaioken x20 + SSJB Goku.

Goku suffered a lot after the Vegeta fight too from using KK, and he trained to maintain it off-screen. Came in and could use KKx10 and even x20 on Namek. Not sure why this is any different. He never tried using x10 on anyone this saga cause he never needed to. He hasn't fought anyone in a big fight where he had to let loose like that. The closest to that was Toppo and that fight got stopped.

[ArchedThunder]

It's ridiculous cause Goku suffered a lot from the aftermath of the Champa arc, even though this current arc is implying he managed a way to use this combo without straining his body, he never tried to use x10 again let alone now x20.

And makes Blue pathetic, cause since it's anime debut it's a form that only serves as punchbag in the series and succeed a few times thanks to the Kaioken combo.

And now he's up against a massively powerful opponent and the fate of his universe is on the line, so what's the problem? They'll probably even mention how dangerous it is.

Blue's debut was it getting beat by Golden Freeza. Also the Kaioken combo is only possible because of Blue and the Kaioken combo only making Blue stronger.

[Rhuagh]

Kaioken x20? That's ridiculous. Introducing Kaioken with Blue is a bad idea in the first place, but if they were going to do it anyway, at least don't go ape shit with the numbers. It makes Super Saiyajin Blue so patetic. I would rather have:

- Regular(x2) Kaioken against Hit. Same visual as x10.
- Sanbai and Yonbai Kaioken against Jiren. Same visual, but more intense.

Makes for the same cool factor, but doesn't turn SSJB into a joke.

I don't see how the return of Kaioken X20 is ridiculous and makes Blue pathetic.

In the anime Blue is not enough to compete with Hit, or Zamasu or Jiren. It was even defeated by Golden Freeza. It's a very weak transformation, and that to me is underwhelming. It's waving goodbye as the strongest transformation without accomplishing much. Combining it with Kaioken at such high numbers only accentuates the problem.

[TheOne]

Outside of Gohan, Goku getting that rage due to any of the U7 warriors being eliminated wouldn't be justified enough. His best friend Krillin is already on the sidelines.

It can be justified depending on how brutal would be the elimination, by all means they can have Roshi still around just for this purpose.

It will absolutely blow my mind if Goku gets a rage transformation due to people getting eliminated and not for hearing about how Zamasu murdered his family.

I'm hoping there's some intricacies with Gokus transformation and not something dealing with rage.

[SansrivaaL]

It will absolutely blow my mind if Goku gets a rage transformation due to people getting eliminated and not for hearing about how Zamasu murdered his family.

Did it blow your mind when he didnt use SSJBKK against them when he could have?

[TheOne]

It will absolutely blow my mind if Goku gets a rage transformation due to people getting eliminated and not for hearing about how Zamasu murdered his family.

Did it blow your mind when he didnt use SSJBKK against them when he could have?

Not sure if you're trying to get under my skin by saying that, but I'll bite. Yes it did actually.

But I gave him the benefit of the doubt that he wasn't able to control SSBKK at that point without being defenseless afterwards.

[namekiansaiyan]

No, we saw silhouettes of them when each team was shown, so they've been hiding them.

I can't believe some people didn't even notice that there was 2 silhouettes behind Hit or if they didn't why wasn't they wondering where the other 2 Universe 6 fighters were.?

There are some people who don't even realise that there are Namekians because they missed them when they appeared on the Godpad twice for about a second.

If it weren't for those promotional pictures where they listed each member we probably wouldn't even known to look for them on the pad. Can't remember how visible they were during that shot.

My guess is this: they already exhausted the surprise with the saiyans and Freeza's race of U6 with the previous tournament arc, so there was no need to be so evasive with these characters. Namekians were the only other U7 equivalent yet to be revealed so they're being all mysterious with them.

It remains to be seen whether or not they will end up a dud or a great addition to the arc.

I saw them in the episode before I saw them in the magazine. When Zeno was going through I just wanted to know who the last 2 members of Universe 6 so I was concentrating but plenty of othere were not though.

[Noah]

Goku suffered a lot after the Vegeta fight too from using KK, and he trained to maintain it off-screen. Came in and could use KKx10 and even x20 on Namek. Not sure why this is any different. He never tried using x10 on anyone this saga cause he never needed to. He hasn't fought anyone in a big fight where he had to let loose like that. The closest to that was Toppo and that fight got stopped.

You can't just compare Saiyan arc Goku to the current one, the strain he suffered after his battle is Hit was different, he couldn't control a fraction of his Ki and this also affected his Flight. Against Merged Zamasu he broke his arms and the next few times wasn't even x10, you may say because he didn't needed, but I believe it was because he didn't want to have this disorder again, but I'll wait if they will explain that to us. But knowing Toei, of course they won't.

[emperior]

Goku transforming by rage would be justifiable only if Zeno allows killing and Jiren kills everyone from U7 but Freeza, or he brutally kills some U7 fighter.

[SansrivaaL]

Not sure if you're trying to get under my skin by saying that, but I'll bite. Yes it did actually.

But I gave him the benefit of the doubt that he wasn't able to control SSBKK at that point without being defenseless afterwards.

I'm not, it was a normal question (I was also pissed when he didnt, few eps later when he used it on MZamasu just made it worst)

[Lionel]

I'm not surprised by Goku being able to push the limitations of the Kaioken further past where it was before; he's been improving significantly after the last tournament. Kaioken x20 will likely drain Goku to the point of him being in a condition similar to when he used it against Freeza. Trying to normalise the Kaioken at this stage is incredibly difficult. For Goku to acclimate to the 10x multiplier enough where he's able to combine it with SSJB for a good amount of time was nothing short of amazing. With Kaioken x20, I would be surprised if it held out as long as Super Saiyan 3 used by Gotenks.

Now if only the studio would come to their senses and realise the treasure trove they've unearthed with Kaioken. How is no one besides Goku using this technique?