Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[1345521]

If i'm not mistaken, I think he sees two continuities: DBZ / GT and DB Kai / DBS.
Of course we all know the official anime continuation is DB / DBZ - DB Kai (the same without filler) / DBS

GT till now has no place in the anime continuity. But it's his way to keep it a part of the continuity, in his head, purely based on subjective reasons.

He doesn't like Super. But there are threads enough 'do we like DBS or not?' to discuss the quality. Why does this need to be adressed here in the Broly movie thread?

idk what you're talking about. I gave my claim, its you guys who are coming at me. That same Broly Movie probably won't have Kaioken nor evolution which will hopefully further estbalish how illgitmate supers anime. OH what would be the most AWESOME THAT COULD HAPPEN. okay okay, hear me out
Toyotaro manga becomes the mian canon. and toei either REBOOTS of all of super (YAAAAASSSS) (and call it like New dragonabll super)or basically says that all 131 episodes of super are non canon and that from here on out will be the actaul dbs.
And then ..AND THEN... Toyotaro makes AN ARC WHERE ONE OF THE TIMELINES IS GT!!!! We get dbs manga the main canon, GT becomes canon while supers anime becomes non canon. YEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

There's probably never going to be a main canon. It will probably be Anime/Manga/Movie forever. I personally like that there are multiple interpretations of the same story.

OH HECK NO. I'm tired of us toyotaro fans being the small gernarally ignored faction of the main db community. I'm tired of the fighting btween manga fans and anime fans. This needs to come to end. Either manga get discontinued or gets replaced... though if he gets replaced, all it would do is give the super anime loyalist a good cushion of peace since this new author would have to build a fanbase around him.
Or...
Toei adapts toyotaro manga and his manga now becomes the soruce material.
The LATTER is what this community needs. DUDE, look at other community, THEIR ANIME ADAPTS MANGA. That's why their ANIMES ARE GOOD. We are the only one who dosen't which is why super is so POLARIZING. ENOUGH. Akira likes toyotaro(MORE THEN TOEI might I add), shueisha likes him, and toei dosen't seem to have an issue with him SO ADAPTS HIS MANGA DARN IT. Imagine a community where we are in unity btween manga and anime fans, no fighting because we both see the same content. The anime would be able to basically make a BETTER version of an already GOOD MANGA. Lol, hence why we need this.
You can still make movies, they are just apart of the anime continuty like in Z. That's fine. But enough of the fighting, this war needs to end. And I hope this movie leaps us one step closer to an toyotaro base WIN. If we win this conflict, DRAGON BALL IS GOING TO BE GREAT AGAIN (No pun inteneded) . BELEIVE ME (Okay that was pun intended ).

[Noah]

I hope we see Broly in this movie, since you know... He is the Legendary Super Saiyan jk lol

Can't believe I nailed that on page 5

[SSJgogeto]

Toei adapts toyotaro manga and his manga now becomes the soruce material.

Or Toyotaro adapts to anime. It would be awesome to see Blue + Kaioken and/or Blue Evolution in the manga.

[PFM18]

I hope we see Broly in this movie, since you know... He is the Legendary Super Saiyan jk lol

Can't believe I nailed that on page 5

It seemed so ridiculous at the time.....but you just have to expect the unexpected sometimes

[bleed0range]

Well in that case you should be able to provide an official source from Toei or Toriyama declaring it as such. Otherwise you're just peddling headcanon as fact.

I don't disagree with you, but please use the word headcanon correctly.

Kai is NOT Z. They are two differnt shows. One is just a poor mans version of the orginal...but that's another topic for another day. Point is, they are differnt.
Z has 289 episoes plus the Movies,

kai just has the episodes. Super is the cotnuation of DRAGON BALL KAI more so then Z. GT is the continuation of Z since it uses elements from Z, GT is not the continuation of the OG db manga. Once you understand they are all differnt:
db
db kai
Z
Db manga
GT
Super manga
Super anime
then you'll be able to peice the facts together.

db manga -> dbs manga
Db -> Z -> GT
Db -> db kai -> Dbs anime

That’s not true at all. Super is a continuation of Toriyama’s story from the end of the Boo arc. Because he’s the one adding to his story so it’s being added to what came before. You can infer that to be a continuation based mostly off his original manga because he does not often include elements that were filler from DBZ or Kai since he had nothing to do with it.

But what really breaks your POV down is that both Battle of Gods and Resurrection F are incorporated into Super and those were Dragon Ball Z movies. So really it’s mostly certainly meant to follow DBZ.

But that doesn’t matter much since Kai is really just a “refreshed” DBZ.

GT is essentially retconned at this point. It makes about as much sense as many of the one off 90s movies did now in continuity to Toriyama’s work.

[Miracles]

I hope we see Broly in this movie, since you know... He is the Legendary Super Saiyan jk lol

Can't believe I nailed that on page 5

Good call.

[Saturnine]

If removing contradictory filler makes something a "poor man's version" to you, then I don't know what to say.

[SquadronGOD]

idk what you're talking about. I gave my claim, its you guys who are coming at me. That same Broly Movie probably won't have Kaioken nor evolution which will hopefully further estbalish how illgitmate supers anime. OH what would be the most AWESOME THAT COULD HAPPEN. okay okay, hear me out
Toyotaro manga becomes the mian canon. and toei either REBOOTS of all of super (YAAAAASSSS) (and call it like New dragonabll super)or basically says that all 131 episodes of super are non canon and that from here on out will be the actaul dbs.
And then ..AND THEN... Toyotaro makes AN ARC WHERE ONE OF THE TIMELINES IS GT!!!! We get dbs manga the main canon, GT becomes canon while supers anime becomes non canon. YEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

There's probably never going to be a main canon. It will probably be Anime/Manga/Movie forever. I personally like that there are multiple interpretations of the same story.

OH HECK NO. I'm tired of us toyotaro fans being the small gernarally ignored faction of the main db community. I'm tired of the fighting btween manga fans and anime fans. This needs to come to end. Either manga get discontinued or gets replaced... though if he gets replaced, all it would do is give the super anime loyalist a good cushion of peace since this new author would have to build a fanbase around him.
Or...
Toei adapts toyotaro manga and his manga now becomes the soruce material.
The LATTER is what this community needs. DUDE, look at other community, THEIR ANIME ADAPTS MANGA. That's why their ANIMES ARE GOOD. We are the only one who dosen't which is why super is so POLARIZING. ENOUGH. Akira likes toyotaro(MORE THEN TOEI might I add), shueisha likes him, and toei dosen't seem to have an issue with him SO ADAPTS HIS MANGA DARN IT. Imagine a community where we are in unity btween manga and anime fans, no fighting because we both see the same content. The anime would be able to basically make a BETTER version of an already GOOD MANGA. Lol, hence why we need this.
You can still make movies, they are just apart of the anime continuty like in Z. That's fine. But enough of the fighting, this war needs to end. And I hope this movie leaps us one step closer to an toyotaro base WIN. If we win this conflict, DRAGON BALL IS GOING TO BE GREAT AGAIN (No pun inteneded) . BELEIVE ME (Okay that was pun intended ).

I think that problem would be resolved if the manga wasnt inky coming out once a month.. remember it started a little bit before the anime... now its months behind.. I'm wondering if thats why the anime has stopped right now or if it stopped for the movie specifically. Either way, the mangas gonna catch up to the anime by the time the movies released.. I just prefer the manga since toriyama is more involved with toyotaro than he is with toei.

[AnimeNation101]

Toei adapts toyotaro manga and his manga now becomes the soruce material.

Or Toyotaro adapts to anime. It would be awesome to see Blue + Kaioken and/or Blue Evolution in the manga.

Agree. Imo and many others’, Toei makes a better arc out of Toriyama’s plot points than Toyotaro does. Toyotaro doesn’t have good story telling and as many have pointed out, he tries to do things to be clever but ends up making contradictions to the point where, like Super, each part of his story is inconsistent with all the other parts. And he’s ONE writer. Super has inconsistencies because they have a new writer each episode and there seems to be a lack of communication.

[AnimeNation101]

There's probably never going to be a main canon. It will probably be Anime/Manga/Movie forever. I personally like that there are multiple interpretations of the same story.

OH HECK NO. I'm tired of us toyotaro fans being the small gernarally ignored faction of the main db community. I'm tired of the fighting btween manga fans and anime fans. This needs to come to end. Either manga get discontinued or gets replaced... though if he gets replaced, all it would do is give the super anime loyalist a good cushion of peace since this new author would have to build a fanbase around him.
Or...
Toei adapts toyotaro manga and his manga now becomes the soruce material.
The LATTER is what this community needs. DUDE, look at other community, THEIR ANIME ADAPTS MANGA. That's why their ANIMES ARE GOOD. We are the only one who dosen't which is why super is so POLARIZING. ENOUGH. Akira likes toyotaro(MORE THEN TOEI might I add), shueisha likes him, and toei dosen't seem to have an issue with him SO ADAPTS HIS MANGA DARN IT. Imagine a community where we are in unity btween manga and anime fans, no fighting because we both see the same content. The anime would be able to basically make a BETTER version of an already GOOD MANGA. Lol, hence why we need this.
You can still make movies, they are just apart of the anime continuty like in Z. That's fine. But enough of the fighting, this war needs to end. And I hope this movie leaps us one step closer to an toyotaro base WIN. If we win this conflict, DRAGON BALL IS GOING TO BE GREAT AGAIN (No pun inteneded) . BELEIVE ME (Okay that was pun intended ).

I think that problem would be resolved if the manga wasnt inky coming out once a month.. remember it started a little bit before the anime... now its months behind.. I'm wondering if thats why the anime has stopped right now or if it stopped for the movie specifically. Either way, the mangas gonna catch up to the anime by the time the movies released.. I just prefer the manga since toriyama is more involved with toyotaro than he is with toei.

If this is what its like to have Toriyama involved, we need less of it. Toyotaro’s manga chapters have been consistently bad with only a good one coming ever few months.

What I wish would happen is Toriyama and the Dragon Ball Room find a talent writer and artist who understands Dragon Ball and its characters, and have them become Toriyama’s apprentice. Before Super 2.0 comes, they discontinue the Super promotional manga and start Super 2.0 as a weekly manga on Weekly Shonen Jump where the real deal manga go. And hopefully this time Toei, Toriyama, and the new apprentice work closer than ever. And the give the guy an editor.

I’m sorry but we need a successor to Toriyama and Dragon Ball might be doomed if its Toyotaro.

[BrolySSJL]

OH HECK NO. I'm tired of us toyotaro fans being the small gernarally ignored faction of the main db community. I'm tired of the fighting btween manga fans and anime fans. This needs to come to end. Either manga get discontinued or gets replaced... though if he gets replaced, all it would do is give the super anime loyalist a good cushion of peace since this new author would have to build a fanbase around him.
Or...
Toei adapts toyotaro manga and his manga now becomes the soruce material.
The LATTER is what this community needs. DUDE, look at other community, THEIR ANIME ADAPTS MANGA. That's why their ANIMES ARE GOOD. We are the only one who dosen't which is why super is so POLARIZING. ENOUGH. Akira likes toyotaro(MORE THEN TOEI might I add), shueisha likes him, and toei dosen't seem to have an issue with him SO ADAPTS HIS MANGA DARN IT. Imagine a community where we are in unity btween manga and anime fans, no fighting because we both see the same content. The anime would be able to basically make a BETTER version of an already GOOD MANGA. Lol, hence why we need this.
You can still make movies, they are just apart of the anime continuty like in Z. That's fine. But enough of the fighting, this war needs to end. And I hope this movie leaps us one step closer to an toyotaro base WIN. If we win this conflict, DRAGON BALL IS GOING TO BE GREAT AGAIN (No pun inteneded) . BELEIVE ME (Okay that was pun intended ).

I think that problem would be resolved if the manga wasnt inky coming out once a month.. remember it started a little bit before the anime... now its months behind.. I'm wondering if thats why the anime has stopped right now or if it stopped for the movie specifically. Either way, the mangas gonna catch up to the anime by the time the movies released.. I just prefer the manga since toriyama is more involved with toyotaro than he is with toei.

If this is what its like to have Toriyama involved, we need less of it. Toyotaro’s manga chapters have been consistently bad with only a good one coming ever few months.

What I wish would happen is Toriyama and the Dragon Ball Room find a talent writer and artist who understands Dragon Ball and its characters, and have them become Toriyama’s apprentice. Before Super 2.0 comes, they discontinue the Super promotional manga and start Super 2.0 as a weekly manga on Weekly Shonen Jump where the real deal manga go. And hopefully this time Toei, Toriyama, and the new apprentice work closer than ever. And the give the guy an editor.

I’m sorry but we need a successor to Toriyama and Dragon Ball might be doomed if its Toyotaro.

Toyotaro is not the best, that for sure. But is A LOT better than Toei. Super's anime has the worst script I've ever seen (and yes, the manga is not perfect... but is better without a doubt). Royal Blue, Blue kaioken, Trunkss form,... all is totally bullshit, and Toei knows that.

[1345521]

I think that problem would be resolved if the manga wasnt inky coming out once a month.. remember it started a little bit before the anime... now its months behind.. I'm wondering if thats why the anime has stopped right now or if it stopped for the movie specifically. Either way, the mangas gonna catch up to the anime by the time the movies released.. I just prefer the manga since toriyama is more involved with toyotaro than he is with toei.

If this is what its like to have Toriyama involved, we need less of it. Toyotaro’s manga chapters have been consistently bad with only a good one coming ever few months.

What I wish would happen is Toriyama and the Dragon Ball Room find a talent writer and artist who understands Dragon Ball and its characters, and have them become Toriyama’s apprentice. Before Super 2.0 comes, they discontinue the Super promotional manga and start Super 2.0 as a weekly manga on Weekly Shonen Jump where the real deal manga go. And hopefully this time Toei, Toriyama, and the new apprentice work closer than ever. And the give the guy an editor.

I’m sorry but we need a successor to Toriyama and Dragon Ball might be doomed if its Toyotaro.

Toyotaro is not the best, that for sure. But is A LOT better than Toei. Super's anime has the worst script I've ever seen (and yes, the manga is not perfect... but is better without a doubt). Royal Blue, Blue kaioken, Trunkss form,... all is totally bullshit, and Toei knows that.

That's accurate. The reason my hope is building is because broly is my favorite character in the franchise and somehow he's coming back and made "canon". And then in this broly movie may not EVEN HAVE toei filler transformations which would be awesome! Here's what I want!
Dbs Orginal anime run be compeltly nulled as noncanon.
We either get a reboot to dbs anime OR the new dbs anime from now adapts toyotaro manga
And then we have an arc where the events of GT ARE CANON(A GT TIMELINE) WOAaaah!!!!!

If this broly can AT LEAST have none of those toei filler forms, a good step in the direction. Because ssj god vegeta was a TOYOTARO idea! And it's in the movie.

[1345521]

There's probably never going to be a main canon. It will probably be Anime/Manga/Movie forever. I personally like that there are multiple interpretations of the same story.

OH HECK NO. I'm tired of us toyotaro fans being the small gernarally ignored faction of the main db community. I'm tired of the fighting btween manga fans and anime fans. This needs to come to end. Either manga get discontinued or gets replaced... though if he gets replaced, all it would do is give the super anime loyalist a good cushion of peace since this new author would have to build a fanbase around him.
Or...
Toei adapts toyotaro manga and his manga now becomes the soruce material.
The LATTER is what this community needs. DUDE, look at other community, THEIR ANIME ADAPTS MANGA. That's why their ANIMES ARE GOOD. We are the only one who dosen't which is why super is so POLARIZING. ENOUGH. Akira likes toyotaro(MORE THEN TOEI might I add), shueisha likes him, and toei dosen't seem to have an issue with him SO ADAPTS HIS MANGA DARN IT. Imagine a community where we are in unity btween manga and anime fans, no fighting because we both see the same content. The anime would be able to basically make a BETTER version of an already GOOD MANGA. Lol, hence why we need this.
You can still make movies, they are just apart of the anime continuty like in Z. That's fine. But enough of the fighting, this war needs to end. And I hope this movie leaps us one step closer to an toyotaro base WIN. If we win this conflict, DRAGON BALL IS GOING TO BE GREAT AGAIN (No pun inteneded) . BELEIVE ME (Okay that was pun intended ).

I think that problem would be resolved if the manga wasnt inky coming out once a month.. remember it started a little bit before the anime... now its months behind.. I'm wondering if thats why the anime has stopped right now or if it stopped for the movie specifically. Either way, the mangas gonna catch up to the anime by the time the movies released.. I just prefer the manga since toriyama is more involved with toyotaro than he is with toei.

It's all good. Just REBOOT the entire show, now we have the manga at least 30-35 months ahead of the anime.ill watch the show. Lol, better characterization, art style, writing, power scailing, more gore, dialogue, fights and more memorable scenes like goku doing an haki, vegeta vs berrus.

I think they more likely stopped it to really concentrate on the movie but I could be wrong. As much as I'm excited for this broly movie, I'll be really keen to see on any news if toei will adapts toyotaro manga. And what you said about its publication, boruto manga is monthg and TOEI adapts it. Lol...or wait: nvm. Toei dosent do boroto. But still, it's not impossible to adapt monthly manga. Just got to make sure 1 chapter be spread out into 4 episodes Hahahah, or at least create extensive filler btween arcs to let Toyo get ahead. And when toei is serious and making a product for a larger age groups (db,z and GT) then just little kids (Super)-they can produce some good and interesting mini Arc filler.

[SSJgogeto]

Rebooting the show sounds unnecessary. Not only we'll see all that things again instead of something new, and now with some weird things like Trunks healing people.

[1345521]

Rebooting the show sounds unnecessary. Not only we'll see all that things again instead of something new, and now with some weird things like Trunks healing people.

Well get like a better version of super. Better:
Writing
Animation
Art style
Characterization
Ideas and excution
Power scailing
We will get blood
Plus we will see new things as per reveled by the manga, that's how it is for all other ckmmunities. And trunks healing people because he was an supreme Kai apprentice makes more sense then him pulling an spirit bomb out of his behind. Again, hopefully this movie be the last time TOEI ever puts out a real story without adapating the manga. At least this movie is directly guided by Akira which makes sense and is good. But a movie with Akira finger prints is already movie toei filler like kaioken and evolution while inserting ssj god vegeta (manga only until now).

[Noah]

Rebooting the show sounds unnecessary. Not only we'll see all that things again instead of something new, and now with some weird things like Trunks healing people.

The whole show yes, but some characters I have no problem with it.

[VegettoEX]

This is not a "Toyotaro vs. Anime" thread. Please take all relevant discussion to an appropriate, different thread.

Furthermore, all would do well to review the community guidelines.

[1345521]

Rebooting the show sounds unnecessary. Not only we'll see all that things again instead of something new, and now with some weird things like Trunks healing people.

The whole show yes, but some characters I have no problem with it.

He's talking about super, not all of dragon ball. And how in the world are you going to reboot people from the same show into the same show?

[BlueBasilisk]

I was mulling over that recent interview with the movie's producer and the other statements we've had about the movie's development and I might have an idea why SSBE, SSBKK and UI have been no-shows so far. I didn't post it in that thread because I plan to talk about other aspects of the plot.

I don't think it has anything to do with 'canon' or Toriyama 'fixing' the plot or any of that jazz. It has to do with the fact that the movie was written and in development while the Universe Survival arc was still in production. Toriyama finished the story around April 2017 and Toei got it around June, which is when they started doing character designs and the like up until October. IIRC, it's about a 5 month turnaround between scripting and airing for a Super episode, so when Toriyama finished up the story, Toei's writers would have been working on the episodes for September and possibly the October special where Omen debuted. SSBE appeared in January, which means the episode was written somewhere around August while work on the movie was underway.

I think the movie is being made as a 'broad strokes' sequel because of that to step on a few toes as possible. Goku mentioned the Tournament of Power in the preview, but I don't think the movie will directly mention or build upon any specific moments from the Tournament besides what Toriyama had in his outline. Like Goku might mention fighting Jiren or getting Ultra Instinct but the movie won't go into further detail since neither the anime or manga had worked through that plot while the story was being written. Toyotaro did designs for the arc but his personal chapter work on the manga doesn't seem to extend more than a month or two beyond the current published chapter.

SSBE seems to have been a late addition for the anime and the dark blue version even more so. I get that impression from the merch. The only thing it had shortly after release was the Heroes card which was colored like Yamamuro's character sheet instead of the on-air version. Something similar happened with SS2 Caulifla's first Dokkan card which didn't have the right hair and her attack was a basic blue ki blast instead of a proper red one.

I think what they'll do is just acknowledge that there is something beyond Blue but quickly handwave an excuse as to why it's not being used vs restructuring the story to account for it. It's a quick and easy way to smooth out continuity issues. 131 already made the excuse for UI. Then when Toei puts Dragon Ball Super Duper on air they can re-adapt the story as the Legendary Super Saiyan Broly arc and adjust accordingly to fit their previous continuity. There's no way Toei or Shueisha will miss the chance to double dip for Broly Bucks.

Toriyama mentioned that the manga will be different, and part of that might be because Toyotaro can just launch right into his own version of the Broly arc without needing to skirt around things like that.

What do you guys think?

[emperior]

I was mulling over that recent interview with the movie's producer and the other statements we've had about the movie's development and I might have an idea why SSBE, SSBKK and UI have been no-shows so far. I didn't post it in that thread because I plan to talk about other aspects of the plot.

I don't think it has anything to do with 'canon' or Toriyama 'fixing' the plot or any of that jazz. It has to do with the fact that the movie was written and in development while the Universe Survival arc was still in production. Toriyama finished the story around April 2017 and Toei got it around June, which is when they started doing character designs and the like up until October. IIRC, it's about a 5 month turnaround between scripting and airing for a Super episode, so when Toriyama finished up the story, Toei's writers would have been working on the episodes for September and possibly the October special where Omen debuted. SSBE appeared in January, which means the episode was written somewhere around August while work on the movie was underway.

I think the movie is being made as a 'broad strokes' sequel because of that to step on a few toes as possible. Goku mentioned the Tournament of Power in the preview, but I don't think the movie will directly mention or build upon any specific moments from the Tournament besides what Toriyama had in his outline. Like Goku might mention fighting Jiren or getting Ultra Instinct but the movie won't go into further detail since neither the anime or manga had worked through that plot while the story was being written. Toyotaro did designs for the arc but his personal chapter work on the manga doesn't seem to extend more than a month or two beyond the current published chapter.

SSBE seems to have been a late addition for the anime and the dark blue version even more so. I get that impression from the merch. The only thing it had shortly after release was the Heroes card which was colored like Yamamuro's character sheet instead of the on-air version. Something similar happened with SS2 Caulifla's first Dokkan card which didn't have the right hair and her attack was a basic blue ki blast instead of a proper red one.

I think what they'll do is just acknowledge that there is something beyond Blue but quickly handwave an excuse as to why it's not being used vs restructuring the story to account for it. It's a quick and easy way to smooth out continuity issues. 131 already made the excuse for UI. Then when Toei puts Dragon Ball Super Duper on air they can re-adapt the story as the Legendary Super Saiyan Broly arc and adjust accordingly to fit their previous continuity. There's no way Toei or Shueisha will miss the chance to double dip for Broly Bucks.

Toriyama mentioned that the manga will be different, and part of that might be because Toyotaro can just launch right into his own version of the Broly arc without needing to skirt around things like that.

What do you guys think?

You may be right, although I believe the whole US arc finished script was completed way before Toriyama completed his movie script.
Unless SSBE was indeed a last minute decision, I doubt they didn't have a general plotline (which isn't Toriyama's outline, but Toei's expanded version of it) written down before February, which is when the arc started. And Kaioken always played a part, ever since episode 81, so I also believe it's fair to assume that at least Kaioken will appear in the film. Considering how it's also an important technique in Super.
I also see no reason why they wouldn't have to include Blue Evolution and Kaioken. As long as they don't alter the plot, they should have an easy time fitting them into the story.