"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[ssj3kakarot]

So, there are some people who theorize that Gohan will be the one to beat Jiren, that Goku will obtain his new form, and still lose. Upon seeing his father lose, and being the only hope left for the Universe, unlock some uber "plot device" transformation, and win the tournament.

What is everyone thoughts on this scenario or something like this taking place? ( Gohan winning the tournament in general because Goku was unable to seal the deal?)

[ArchedThunder]

Vegeta at least looked cool in the Oda segment. I would've liked a whole short, but the segment was fine. Also more Whis and Goku time traveling together shenanigans has been a delight.

I would be 100% down for them recycling the designs from the Nobunaga section for a Super TV special with an original plot.

So, there are some people who theorize that Gohan will be the one to beat Jiren, that Goku will obtain his new form, and still lose. Upon seeing his father lose, and being the only hope left for the Universe, unlock some uber "plot device" transformation, and win the tournament.

What is everyone thoughts on this scenario or something like this taking place? ( Gohan winning the tournament in general because Goku was unable to seal the deal?)

At the very least we know Toriyama and Toei aren't afraid to have a form's first appearance not be a win.
Super Saiyan God lost against Beerus, Super Saiyan Blue couldn't overpower Golden Freeza, and for the Super anime Goku didn't beat Hit with Kaioken Blue and Ikari's first appearance was Trunks getting beat around by Black and Zamasu be being able to keep getting back up.

[JazzMazz]

So, there are some people who theorize that Gohan will be the one to beat Jiren, that Goku will obtain his new form, and still lose. Upon seeing his father lose, and being the only hope left for the Universe, unlock some uber "plot device" transformation, and win the tournament.

What is everyone thoughts on this scenario or something like this taking place? ( Gohan winning the tournament in general because Goku was unable to seal the deal?)

With the exact scenario you described above, I would be pretty pissed. I'd fine with Gohan winning, but not through a bullshit power-up.

[Noah]

So, there are some people who theorize that Gohan will be the one to beat Jiren, that Goku will obtain his new form, and still lose. Upon seeing his father lose, and being the only hope left for the Universe, unlock some uber "plot device" transformation, and win the tournament.

What is everyone thoughts on this scenario or something like this taking place? (Gohan winning the tournament in general because Goku was unable to seal the deal?)

Pardon, but I never saw anyone cracking up with this theory mate, not even the biggest Gohan fanboys I ever met

I personally think it would be absurd Goku losing after unlocking a new form and then somehow Gohan comes up to win.

[JazzMazz]

So, there are some people who theorize that Gohan will be the one to beat Jiren, that Goku will obtain his new form, and still lose. Upon seeing his father lose, and being the only hope left for the Universe, unlock some uber "plot device" transformation, and win the tournament.

What is everyone thoughts on this scenario or something like this taking place? (Gohan winning the tournament in general because Goku was unable to seal the deal?)

Pardon, but I never saw anyone cracking up with this theory mate, not even the biggest Gohan fanboys I ever met

I personally think it would be absurd Goku losing after unlocking a new form and then somehow Gohan comes up to win.

I wouldn't mind Goku losing, but I think it would be smart if they did it as a double ring out, where both he and Jiren are removed from the competition.

[dbzfan7]

So, there are some people who theorize that Gohan will be the one to beat Jiren, that Goku will obtain his new form, and still lose. Upon seeing his father lose, and being the only hope left for the Universe, unlock some uber "plot device" transformation, and win the tournament.

What is everyone thoughts on this scenario or something like this taking place? (Gohan winning the tournament in general because Goku was unable to seal the deal?)

Pardon, but I never saw anyone cracking up with this theory mate, not even the biggest Gohan fanboys I ever met

I personally think it would be absurd Goku losing after unlocking a new form and then somehow Gohan comes up to win.

It's Gohan's secret payback for the Boo arcs ending

[Ki Breaker]

So, there are some people who theorize that Gohan will be the one to beat Jiren, that Goku will obtain his new form, and still lose. Upon seeing his father lose, and being the only hope left for the Universe, unlock some uber "plot device" transformation, and win the tournament.

What is everyone thoughts on this scenario or something like this taking place? (Gohan winning the tournament in general because Goku was unable to seal the deal?)

Pardon, but I never saw anyone cracking up with this theory mate, not even the biggest Gohan fanboys I ever met

I personally think it would be absurd Goku losing after unlocking a new form and then somehow Gohan comes up to win.

Gohan could potentially unlock a new form as well, it was teased with him aiming for an ultimate form nobody saw before..
It could happen as a twist at the end but I very much doubt that will be the case..

Goku already did lose after unlocking all his new forms in super

SSG- trashed
SSB- dominated and thrashed
SSBKK10- Lost
SSBKK20- trashed

I kind of want him to break this constant losing streak..

[alakazam^]

It's funny cause you keep saying things that were absent in the manga as if Super (anime) followed faithfully the original serialization and we all know it doesn't. So I don't think bringing up movies or filler scenes as arguments are invalid at all, isn't that the same series that introduced us a female Broly counterpart? So Goku absorbing the Spirit Bomb or Frost using the Fifth Form wouldn't be something out of this world, for God's sake.

What did I say that was absent from the manga?

Super following the manga closely or not has nothing to do with how the Genkidama is supposed to work. It was introduced in the manga, it was explained in the manga so it's logical that's what you use when discussing it. Goku can absorb it all he wants, it doesn't contradict anything already established.

[ssj3kakarot]

So, there are some people who theorize that Gohan will be the one to beat Jiren, that Goku will obtain his new form, and still lose. Upon seeing his father lose, and being the only hope left for the Universe, unlock some uber "plot device" transformation, and win the tournament.

What is everyone thoughts on this scenario or something like this taking place? (Gohan winning the tournament in general because Goku was unable to seal the deal?)

Pardon, but I never saw anyone cracking up with this theory mate, not even the biggest Gohan fanboys I ever met

I personally think it would be absurd Goku losing after unlocking a new form and then somehow Gohan comes up to win.

Ohh, I haven't seen the theory on this site exactly. Though I have seen a number of youtubers with that theory.

However, I do hope that Goku gets a win against Jiren. Personally I think itd be awesome if everyone in U7 gets their time to shine in some regards, the "give credit where credit is due," mentality. Gohan for example may defeat a treacherous Final form Freeza(although i feel that's an ass pull), Vegeta getting redemption and taking out someone like Hit or Toppo, Piccolo being useful in his own green ways.

The issue with Goku getting some new form that is potentially leagues above his SSBKX20 is that it may limit what the next big threat is for a "next" saga. If he gets this new form and wins the tournament, then where to next? Possibly the exempt Universes have people who can pose a threat of some sort. Maybe the Gods themselves? Just thinking out loud.

[Hawk9211]

So, there are some people who theorize that Gohan will be the one to beat Jiren, that Goku will obtain his new form, and still lose. Upon seeing his father lose, and being the only hope left for the Universe, unlock some uber "plot device" transformation, and win the tournament.

What is everyone thoughts on this scenario or something like this taking place? ( Gohan winning the tournament in general because Goku was unable to seal the deal?)

bullsh*t,complete bullsh*t.

[Simere]

The issue with Goku getting some new form that is potentially leagues above his SSBKX20 is that it may limit what the next big threat is for a "next" saga. If he gets this new form and wins the tournament, then where to next? Possibly the exempt Universes have people who can pose a threat of some sort. Maybe the Gods themselves? Just thinking out loud.

It wouldn't be much of an issue if you ask me. It's simplicity itself to add new realms of existence beyond the currently known planes to introduce more powerful competition; as DB has repeatedly done in the past. Four years ago we didn't even have the concept of multiple universes.

As far as I'm concerned, we already know of one: the realm in which Zeno's palace resides.

[HeroR]

Gohan could potentially unlock a new form as well, it was teased with him aiming for an ultimate form nobody saw before..
It could happen as a twist at the end but I very much doubt that will be the case..

Goku already did lose after unlocking all his new forms in super

SSG- trashed
SSB- dominated and thrashed
SSBKK10- Lost
SSBKK20- trashed

I kind of want him to break this constant losing streak..

Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan won against Frieza by vital of being a more efficient form. Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan/Kaioken also didn't lose since Goku willfully forfeited because Beerus wasted his time when he asked for the rules to be dropped.

[Ki Breaker]

Gohan could potentially unlock a new form as well, it was teased with him aiming for an ultimate form nobody saw before..
It could happen as a twist at the end but I very much doubt that will be the case..

Goku already did lose after unlocking all his new forms in super

SSG- trashed
SSB- dominated and thrashed
SSBKK10- Lost
SSBKK20- trashed

I kind of want him to break this constant losing streak..

Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan won against Frieza by vital of being a more efficient form. Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan/Kaioken also didn't lose since Goku willfully forfeited because Beerus wasted his time when he asked for the rules to be dropped.

SSB goku was being kicked around by golden freeza for the majority of the fight and Goku still lost, dosen't matter how..

Yeah, SSBKK Goku forfeited the match and we know how his body turned out to be after the match, by all means even if he had continued after that he would have lost, berrus did waste time but it was circumstances beyond his control..

The end result is him losing in these scenarios, and that's the point..

These might qualify as wins to you but they don't to me..

[Jigurashi]

Overall, I'd prefer for Goku to beat Jiren, but I wouldn't be opposed to Gohan doing so. It in the scenario that was given, I wouldn't be a fan of that at all. Don't really like the idea of Gohan just getting a form right afterwards to take Jiren down.

[HeroR]

SSB goku was being kicked around by golden freeza for the majority of the fight and Goku still lost, dosen't matter how..

Yeah, SSBKK Goku forfeited the match and we know how his body turned out to be after the match, by all means even if he had continued after that he would have lost, berrus did waste time but it was circumstances beyond his control..

The end result is him losing in these scenarios, and that's the point..

These might qualify as wins to you but they don't to me..

So? It still won because despite all of Golden Freeza's power, he still burnt out before he could finished the job and Goku was still able to stand and no sell his hits. It does matter how since as the saying goes, 'a win is a win'. Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan was the better form in the end. So Goku won. Freeza only won by outside interference, then Goku repaid the favor and killed Freeza. So Goku won both fairly and won the interference game. Or to put it another way: he won, lost, and then won.

Again, so? It didn't lose to Hit. It is only fan assumption that Goku would have lost to Hit. If Goku really wanted to, he could have beating Hit without bothering with changing the rules, but he didn't. He wanted to fight Hit at his best. Goku took the lost, but it wasn't the technique or form that 'failed', it was because didn't want to fight an opponent who couldn't fight at their best.

Again, a win is a win. For some reason, fans don't count wins unless they happened in a certain way. Like people don't want to count Freeza blowing up the planet on Vegeta as a win because he 'cheated'.

[Ki Breaker]

Again, a win is a win. For some reason, fans don't count wins unless they happened in a certain way. Like people don't want to count Freeza blowing up the planet on Vegeta as a win because he 'cheated'.

Freeza definitely had the win..
The end result matters, and in both the cases we discussed, the end result is Goku not winning the said fight..

[HeroR]

Again, a win is a win. For some reason, fans don't count wins unless they happened in a certain way. Like people don't want to count Freeza blowing up the planet on Vegeta as a win because he 'cheated'.

Freeza definitely had the win..
The end result matters, and in both the cases we discussed, the end result is Goku not winning the said fight..

Nope. In straight combat, he lost. In turns of outside inference, he lost. Freeza won nothing.

If the end results matters as you keep pushing, Goku still won his fight against Freeza since guess who ended up dead in the end. Under no condition did Freeze win. He lost his fight with Goku because despite the power advantage, his form lost power and Goku kicked his ass. In terms of getting help, Goku had more of it including an angel who can rewind time, making Freeza lose yet again.

As for Hit, it was a willfully lost on Goku's part and not because the form/technique couldn't beat Hit as you implied. It happened because Goku saw no point in beating Hit when he couldn't fight at his best.

[Ki Breaker]

Again, a win is a win. For some reason, fans don't count wins unless they happened in a certain way. Like people don't want to count Freeza blowing up the planet on Vegeta as a win because he 'cheated'.

Freeza definitely had the win..
The end result matters, and in both the cases we discussed, the end result is Goku not winning the said fight..

Nope. In straight combat, he lost. In turns of outside inference, he lost. Freeza won nothing.

If the end results matters as you keep pushing, Goku still won his fight against Freeza since guess who ended up dead in the end. Under no condition did Freeze win. He lost his fight with Goku because despite the power advantage, his form lost power and Goku kicked his ass. In terms of getting help, Goku had more of it including an angel who can rewind time, making Freeza lose yet again.

As for Hit, it was a willfully lost on Goku's part and not because the form/technique couldn't beat Hit as you implied. It happened because Goku saw no point in beating Hit when he couldn't fight at his best.

If you had a fight with a tiger, you shoot it 7 times, poke it's eyes out and eat lunch on top of its back basically you dominate the entire fight, but he catches you by surprise and slits your throat away, who had the win?

I like to believe tiger is the man, but you might want to believe in yourself there all well, not all HeroR known to dominate the fights..

We simply have a different definition of win, I'll leave it at that..

[namekiansaiyan]

I doubt Gohan will get a new form to overshadow Goku's so soon.

Gohan might be the reason why he gets the form as Goku migh get beat up badly and while he lies on the floor he sees Frieza start his betrayal and tortures Gohan before knocking him and this makes Goku angry and he gets he new form.

[SansrivaaL]

Not really a fan of that theory as well, Goku's been on a huge losing streak in super, unlike the OG where SSJ owned Freeza, SSJ2 owned Cell and SSJ3 potentially could have taken down fat Boo but he just didnt want to do it, SSJG got played by Beerus and SSJB got trashed by Freeza.
You know, for a main character, he loses a lot (tho I count his fight with Merged Zamasu in the manga a win in a way, Zamasu had to use Mai to stop Goku from destroying him) for once in super I want Goku to have a clean win against the main enemy. I mean yeah I love Gohan but Goku deserves it more.