"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[HeroR]

Gohan at 5 years old was mentally older than Goku was at 13 or Goten and Trunks due to experiencing all of this chaos and mayhem at early age,while Piccolo was mentally older than him they are the same case.
Both were kids but they both were mentally older than their real age.

That isn't saying much since Goku spent most of his life at that point being raised by animals, so Goku wasn't mentally mature. Also, being mentally mature has nothing to do with being mentally ready to fight in a live battle, especially since Gohan had no training except for those six months with Piccolo. The fix six months was just survival training. Like you can be mature and still wet yourself if you're thrown in the middle of a war zone just after boot camp.

[namekiansaiyan]

when did they say that?

In the most recent issue.

Show it m8 cause I don't remember the recent issue saying that plus I'm dealing with Irma hitting my ass in florida
Gohan playing a big role doesn't surprise me anyways given how the things been for him in this arc

They said he would play a huge role during the summer not the actual whole tournament. He could still but that is what V-Jump said last month.

[Ki Breaker]

Gohan playing a big role is no surprise..
The question is, how big is big?
For all we know him being a catalyst for transformation is playing a huge role..
Or it could be him being the last man standing, the first I would rather not have, second I am all about!

[Jigurashi]

Gohan playing a big role is no surprise..
The question is, how big is big?
For all we know him being a catalyst for transformation is playing a huge role..
Or it could be him being the last man standing, the first I would rather not have, second I am all about!

This is a good point. We don't know how big is "big" for Gohan and in what capacity. He could end up winning the ToP, he could have his big role culminate in being the trigger for Goku's new form, maybe even both scenarios happen for Gohan. Maybe something else.

[namekiansaiyan]

Gohan playing a big role is no surprise..
The question is, how big is big?
For all we know him being a catalyst for transformation is playing a huge role..
Or it could be him being the last man standing, the first I would rather not have, second I am all about!

This is a good point. We don't know how big is "big" for Gohan and in what capacity. He could end up winning the ToP, he could have his big role culminate in being the trigger for Goku's new form, maybe even both scenarios happen for Gohan. Maybe something else.

The magazine also probably exaggerates things as well.

The logical question is how can Gohan even be strong enough to get anywhere near Goku in this tournament to be the only person at the end.

[Ki Breaker]

Gohan playing a big role is no surprise..
The question is, how big is big?
For all we know him being a catalyst for transformation is playing a huge role..
Or it could be him being the last man standing, the first I would rather not have, second I am all about!

This is a good point. We don't know how big is "big" for Gohan and in what capacity. He could end up winning the ToP, he could have his big role culminate in being the trigger for Goku's new form, maybe even both scenarios happen for Gohan. Maybe something else.

The magazine also probably exaggerates things as well.

The logical question is how can Gohan even be strong enough to get anywhere near Goku in this tournament to be the only person at the end.

With aiming for an ultimate form we have never seen before.. Like he announced himself..

[Whatever]

Gohan at 5 years old was mentally older than Goku was at 13 or Goten and Trunks due to experiencing all of this chaos and mayhem at early age,while Piccolo was mentally older than him they are the same case.
Both were kids but they both were mentally older than their real age.

That isn't saying much since Goku spent most of his life at that point being raised by animals, so Goku wasn't mentally mature. Also, being mentally mature has nothing to do with being mentally ready to fight in a live battle, especially since Gohan had no training except for those six months with Piccolo. The fix six months was just survival training. Like you can be mature and still wet yourself if you're thrown in the middle of a war zone just after boot camp.

I am not dissagreeing with that.
I am just saying that while it makes sense that he would crack under the pressure of the situation,in the end he still screwed up.
And if Piccolo does not get any free passes from that,i don't see why Gohan should.
Since at the end of the day they were both kids that are mentally older than their age despite their situation of how they ended up that way being different.

[namekiansaiyan]

This is a good point. We don't know how big is "big" for Gohan and in what capacity. He could end up winning the ToP, he could have his big role culminate in being the trigger for Goku's new form, maybe even both scenarios happen for Gohan. Maybe something else.

The magazine also probably exaggerates things as well.

The logical question is how can Gohan even be strong enough to get anywhere near Goku in this tournament to be the only person at the end.

With aiming for an ultimate form we have never seen before.. Like he announced himself..

How is he going to do that in the tournament?

[Ki Breaker]

The magazine also probably exaggerates things as well.

The logical question is how can Gohan even be strong enough to get anywhere near Goku in this tournament to be the only person at the end.

With aiming for an ultimate form we have never seen before.. Like he announced himself..

How is he going to do that in the tournament?

Scream a little, shake a bit, some cool dialogues and there you go, you know.. The usual..
That's how saiyans do it when in trouble

[Hawk9211]

With aiming for an ultimate form we have never seen before.. Like he announced himself..

How is he going to do that in the tournament?

Scream a little, shake a bit, some cool dialogues and there you go, you know.. The usual..
That's how saiyans do it when in trouble

That's kinda true.Still I don't think that's gonna happen.

[HeroR]

I am not dissagreeing with that.
I am just saying that while it makes sense that he would crack under the pressure of the situation,in the end he still screwed up.
And if Piccolo does not get any free passes from that,i don't see why Gohan should.
Since at the end of the day they were both kids that are mentally older than their age despite their situation of how they ended up that way being different.

Piccolo gets a 'free pass' because he's older than Gohan. His body maybe young, but he has the mind of a 300 years old. Gohan, no matter how mature he was at the time, was still five. Even if you want to say Gohan was mentally ten in the Saiyan Saga, that's still a ten years old with no live battle experience vs. a 300 years old Demon King who got reborn into a younger body.

[omaro34]

So obvious that Freeza was going to backstab his own universe. Hopefully that talk of Freeza becoming good is put to bed. Now more than likely he'll be killed off when this is done.

Gohan can thank his father for getting double teamed by Frost demons for insisting on Freeza joining the squad in the first place.

It wasn't like Gohan said anything in protest.

Gohan is the type to respect authority, whether it would be his mom, dad, or Goku . I'm sure he had things to say in protest in his head but his respect for authoritative figures in his life got the better of him.

[DBZ Macky]

Gohan is the type to respect authority, whether it would be his mom, dad, or Goku . I'm sure he had things to say in protest in his head but his respect for authoritative figures in his life got the better of him.

I see what you did there.
Wasn't there that one time when Gohan yelled at Chi-Chi because he wanted to go to Namek? I'm sure Gohan could have at least protested a little bit if he really was that concerned.

[omaro34]

Gohan is the type to respect authority, whether it would be his mom, dad, or Goku . I'm sure he had things to say in protest in his head but his respect for authoritative figures in his life got the better of him.

I see what you did there.
Wasn't there that one time when Gohan yelled at Chi-Chi because he wanted to go to Namek? I'm sure Gohan could have at least protested a little bit if he really was that concerned.

Thanks, I'm glad you didn't think it was a typo. And you make a good point, but kids will be kids. Once Gohan reached a certain age we didn't really see that again. He bows in front of Goku or Piccolo and always apologizes profusely like he did when he told them he couldn't fight in the U6 tournament. In episode 88 when Piccolo was knocking him around like a rag doll and basically told him to fight like a man, Piccolo turned his back on him and Gohan was thanking him.

At least that's how Super characterizes him.

[GodVegetto91]

That line never made any sense to me, i mean, doesn't Gohan already have access to his Ultimate State?! Piccolo retrained him to the point where he could reaccess his Ultimate Form. So it doesn't make sense for him to achieve something else that's yet the same?

[Ki Breaker]

That line never made any sense to me, i mean, doesn't Gohan already have access to his Ultimate State?! Piccolo retrained him to the point where he could reaccess his Ultimate Form. So it doesn't make sense for him to achieve something else that's yet the same?

I like to think of it as another path you can take to reach greater power..
Goku took the way of transformation and Gohan takes the way of base due to godly intervention..

Goku can access more power by transforming further and Gohan can access that same power in his base, aka making the ultimate form better

[omaro34]

I feel like the same could apply to Vegeta, yet you seem to specifically hate Gohan.

So since you mention Vegeta i assume you agree with me?I don't hate Gohan as a character but i hate how the narrative shields him from his own mistakes.

The same does not apply for Vegeta because:
Freeza saga:What Freeza did to him,he destroyed him and then made him cry like a bitch.
Cell saga:After helping Cell reach his perfect form,Cell destroyed him and then 1 hitko bitchslapped him in the cell games.
Buu saga:After having his mid life crisis and helping awakening Majin buu,Buu rekted him and then Vegeta killed himself for nothing.Even then he came back to life only to become Kid buu's punching bag while Goku is the one to finish him.
BOG:He did nothing wrong there.
Rof:He took to long finishing of Frieza only for him to be killed by him again.
U6 arc:He stole his teamate win but at the least Hit destroyed him.
Future Trunks Arc:He did nothing wrong but he still got rekted by Black all the same.

You could say Vegeta got away from mass genocide pretty lightly but he did pay for his mistakes at the least,the same cannot be said about Gohan since somebody else suffers for them in his place outside of the time Super buu absorbed him(failling to catch the earring was his 2nd chance that he screwed up,the first one was when he played around with Buu but Piccolo and Gotenks were the ones to suffer from that mistake).

Gohan fucks up. That's a certainty. But he does pay it back.

Gohan paid for his mistakes in the saiyan saga by soloing Vegeta and getting his ass beat. Remember he was the one that decided to go help Goku. If it weren't for that decision, Vegeta would have won.

Gohan fucked up in the cell saga but he paid it back when he killed cell. Say Vegeta helped him all you want but who saved Vegetas life ?

Boo saga, Gohan died.

Rof saga, Gohan literally sacrificed his own body. Not even sure if it could be considered a mistake considering it was just a case of Freeza being stronger though.

Universal survival: We'll see what he does.

No need to mention the Saiyan saga as Gohan was a five year old kid. He should definately get the pass there.

Good point about the Cell saga, Gohan did save Vegeta, and it was Vegeta's pride and usual arrogance that caused Cell to become perfect in the first place, even hurting his OWN son to allow this.

Gohan did let his guard down in the Buu arc, but his performance in this arc will tell a huge story about Gohan's progress as a fighter.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

So, I am legit stuck for words I do not know what the merchandising department or whatever are doing, the big push at the start of 2018 is... Rosé Goku Black... so much they can push with this arc at the start of the year but nope Goku Black...

Kale the thing people screamed was a "marketing gimmick" to "sell toys" between Feb 2017 (start of the arc) and Feb 2018 will only have one mini figure (a WCF out next month) she doesn't even have a UDM keychain figure yet...

Jiren is the only thing that got decently pushed this arc.

[Totamo]

That line never made any sense to me, i mean, doesn't Gohan already have access to his Ultimate State?! Piccolo retrained him to the point where he could reaccess his Ultimate Form. So it doesn't make sense for him to achieve something else that's yet the same?

Gohan has unlocked his full potential 3 times.

A 4th ain't surprising.

[Benedetto12]

About the Gohan or Goku beating Jiren, I think it will go this way: Goku unlocks his new form and defeats Jiren, after the battle he is left really exhausted and unable to keep fighting, while Gohan and some others fighters from U7 are still on the ring (Vegeta, Frieza, Roshi, 17, 18 and Piccolo) whatever, while Goku is out of combat he will be taken out by Frieza or Frost (plotting with Frieza)

After Goku is defeated, team U7 will suffer a heavy morale blow because they lost their strongest fighter and their 2nd strongest fighter has betrayed them, not only they will have to face against the likes of Toppo, Hit, Kale, Dypso, Cabba, Frost and Ribrianne, but will have to go against Frieza also.

Gohan will have to fulfill his role as a team leader to raise the morale of his team and make them overcome the power gap