fadeddreams5 wrote:Why do some people act as though Gohan is a real life person? As a viewer of this show, which is about fighting, I could care less about his academic achievements and family. He could be single and underachieved, and it wouldn't change a thing. However, mess with his powers, and it does impact the significance of the character.
That's not me being selfish. He's not real!
When you make a story, you NEED to have the character's motivations and goals in mind. Who is this person? Why is it this way? What will he do to have what it wants? How would he/she react in this or that situation?
Gohan's whole goal has been always to have a normal and successful human life. He just happened to be strong enough at several points and so he help as much as he can by fighting if needed but it has never driven him.
Check out Journey's End, a short story of Goku and Vegeta's final days. "Time is running out for the last two Saiyans"
fadeddreams5 wrote:Why do some people act as though Gohan is a real life person? As a viewer of this show, which is about fighting, I could care less about his academic achievements and family. He could be single and underachieved, and it wouldn't change a thing. However, mess with his powers, and it does impact the significance of the character.
That's not me being selfish. He's not real!
When you make a story, you NEED to have the character's motivations and goals in mind. Who is this person? Why is it this way? What will he do to have what it wants? How would he/she react in this or that situation?
Gohan's whole goal has been always to have a normal and successful human life. He just happened to be strong enough at several points and so he help as much as he can by fighting if needed but it has never driven him.
I understand that. Don't get me wrong. I don't mind Gohan's personal life at all.
But that's not enough of a reason to strip him of his powers either. His family should actually be extra motivation to train or attain that SSGSS power. Not because he likes it, but because he has somebody to protect now.
There are many ways to develop Gohan to remain consistent with the character himself, but also keep him relevant in the battlefield, which is where it matters in his case.
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
soulnova wrote:Gohan's whole goal has been always to have a normal and successful human life. He just happened to be strong enough at several points and so he help as much as he can by fighting if needed but it has never driven him.
He doesn't want to be the strongest for the sake of it but he did want to get stronger (in the manga) so he could protect his friends/family and help out his friends in battles.
He trained hard in the Cell arc so that he could finally be useful because he felt extremely guilty that he always let his friends down in the past
In the Buu arc he enjoyed fighting and took pride in his strength. He was constantly regretting and feeling guilty that he let himself get so much weaker
How does him slacking off again (and be useless as a result, even though he's shown to explicitly hate being useless) after all that make sense?
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Now that picture of Cell saga Z-warriors.. that's the way it should be. The most badass looking crew assembled, not two kids, a lady android and a fat pink Buu. /off topic
Noah wrote:Gohan is over, now... Piccolo and even Krillin will have more appeal than him, how unfortunate
Not that unfortunate. Gohan kinda sucks.
Take that back!
His hairstyle looks like the one Future Trunks got when he returned to the future.
An angry Final Fantasy fan wrote: And after all the outrage, when I'm ready, I'll go out on to GameStop and buy a Persona 5 copy. And when my mother finds me investing my precious time trying to bond with this hot anime girl, I'll look straight into her eyes and say "but have you looked at the menu screen? have you actually seen the menu screen? In that very moment, she knows. She fucking knows. As she handles me the nugget pieces she previously cooked for me, she leaves my room with these words: "Persona 5 is the true savior of the JRPG".
VegettoEX wrote:
In a blunt nutshell, no-one wants to read bullshit. Don't post bullshit. Be a cool person that posts cool things that other people would actually want to read. Don't be Zamasu from episode 63 talking to himself.
JulieYBM wrote:Gohan is hardly humiliated. He walks through all of Freeza's men in Fukkatsu no F like it is nothing.
Beating some weak soldiers isn't impressive. What Freeza did to him was very humiliating.
Huh? Freezer was scared of him and decided to terminate him with a deadly attack. I'd say it's far from being humiliated when someone takes you out from the get-go with a surprise lethal attack saying you are an absolutely terrifying threat that one needs to see with his own eyes to realize the horror of it.
Gohan was actually complimented big time in the movie if you ask me.
JulieYBM wrote:Gohan is hardly humiliated. He walks through all of Freeza's men in Fukkatsu no F like it is nothing.
Beating some weak soldiers isn't impressive. What Freeza did to him was very humiliating.
Huh? Freezer was scared of him and decided to terminate him with a deadly attack. I'd say it's far from being humiliated when someone takes you out from the get-go with a surprise lethal attack saying you are an absolutely terrifying threat that one needs to see with his own eyes to realize the horror of it.
Gohan was actually complimented big time in the movie if you ask me.
Being almost killed with one shot by the villain's weakest form isn't anything to brag about. And Freeza didn't say Gohan was a threat, he said Super Saiyans were. And we all know that's just because he was defeated by two of them, Super Saiyans are so ridiculously insignificant at this point that they wouldn't be able to do anything to Freeza, when you take into account his strength level in that movie. Also, not to mention the whole "I haven't been training so I don't know if I can even turn SS anymore..." thing.
In comparison, Gohan also gets defeated and almost killed by Recoome, but he was far more imposing and treated better in that scene.
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The art style is okay. Nothing to write home about. And it seems more and more likely that Super is gonna re-write the events of BOG, at least.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
I hope gohan trains and reclaim his former glory or otherwise he might as well be the new yamcha it doesn't make sense why he doesn't train during these times.
Doctor. wrote:Are we sure we're talking about the same series? This is the only series where a haircut IS relevant for all transformations.
No, it isn't. Gohan could have long, short, spiky hair or even be bald and he still would be able to transform into SSJ or Ultimate. The haircut is irrelevant. So much so that his haircut was changed in RoF and he still was able to transform.
pacz360 wrote:I hope gohan trains and reclaim his former glory or otherwise he might as well be the new yamcha it doesn't make sense why he doesn't train during these times.
Fastforward to after RoF. New villain shows up and kidnaps Pan. Gohan goes apeshit.
pacz360 wrote:I hope gohan trains and reclaim his former glory or otherwise he might as well be the new yamcha it doesn't make sense why he doesn't train during these times.
Fastforward to after RoF. New villain shows up and kidnaps Pan. Gohan goes apeshit.
Then goes to Goku and begs him to save his daughter for him.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
The most badass looking crew assembled, not two kids, a lady android and a fat pink Buu. /off topic
it doesn't make sense why he doesn't train during these times.
