"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[precita]

I'm really starting to feel like the "terrible thing" that is going to happen is Goku's transformation itself.

Is that because HeroR said that on neogaf?

[FortuneSSJ]

"Witness a shock the like of which has never before been seen in DB history!!!"

This has me extremely hyped. I hope they aren't bullshitting. I wonder what this big shock they have been mentioning for quite a while will be.

At this point Goku winning would be a shock.

Considering his streak against major villains/antagonists in Super, that is true. But some people have amnesia and would just call that outcome predictable.
If Goku wins, it's predictable. If Universe 7 wins thanks to another character, it's predictable. If Gohan wins, it's a rehash of Cell arc.

Zeno should just erase everything.

[precita]

The shock is likely Goku losing and Gohan winning the tournament. Gohan has done nothing in Super. He needs to redeem himself as the lead hero again.

[Noah]

Belmod "Orders" Jiren to take out Goku ? If Jiren is the Mortal stronger than G.O.D. I don't see how a weaker character can order him around...

He is not. The said mortal is probably from Universe 4 or from your Universe, maybe

[Kanassa]

The shock is likely Goku losing and Gohan winning the tournament. Gohan has done nothing in Super. He needs to redeem himself as the lead hero again.

Gohan has nothing to redeem for. He doesn't need to take the lead, nor does he need to win; he's done pretty admirably in this arc.

[ArchedThunder]

I'm really starting to feel like the "terrible thing" that is going to happen is Goku's transformation itself.

Is that because HeroR said that on neogaf?

No?

[kinisking]

The shock is likely Goku losing and Gohan winning the tournament. Gohan has done nothing in Super. He needs to redeem himself as the lead hero again.

Gohan has nothing to redeem for. He doesn't need to take the lead, nor does he need to win; he's done pretty admirably in this arc.

He's done admirably in this arc but has been treated badly in others. I think precita is saying that this is his redemption arc, not that he needs to redeem himself form earlier in the arc.

[precita]

This whole arc feels like it was partly written to return Gohan to prominence and to glory. If he just gets some wins and loses to some strong guy by the end, it won't be a big deal.

Gohan isn't Piccolo, the humans, or even 17 or 18. You can't just give him a few wins against fodder enemies and call it a day.

[Kanassa]

This whole arc feels like it was partly written to return Gohan to prominence and to glory. If he just gets some wins and loses to some strong guy by the end, it won't be a big deal.

Gohan isn't Piccolo, the humans, or even 17 or 18. You can't just give him a few wins against fodder enemies and call it a day.

Yes, you can. Why does it have to be such a big deal?

[precita]

This whole arc feels like it was partly written to return Gohan to prominence and to glory. If he just gets some wins and loses to some strong guy by the end, it won't be a big deal.

Gohan isn't Piccolo, the humans, or even 17 or 18. You can't just give him a few wins against fodder enemies and call it a day.

Yes, you can. Why does it have to be such a big deal?

Because Gohan sat out of two arcs in a row (Universe 6 tournament and Zamasu arc), and was treated poorly in Return of F.

He's Goku's son and was a lead character in DBZ. Hence all these complaints likely convincing Toei to convince Toriyama to let him return to prominence. There's a reason most people expect Gohan to make it to the end of the tournament with Goku.

[perucho1990]

He's done admirably in this arc but has been treated badly in others. I think precita is saying that this is his redemption arc, not that he needs to redeem himself form earlier in the arc.

His fight vs Freeza and Frost will tell us what is to expect from Gohan in this arc, if Gohan wins then I expect him to be vital in the Jiren fight, maybe he saves Vegeta from Jiren?

[Ki Breaker]

The shock is likely Goku losing and Gohan winning the tournament. Gohan has done nothing in Super. He needs to redeem himself as the lead hero again.

It won't be a shock here because I am party expecting this..
Earlier it seemed Roshi might turn out to be the champ but now that he is out, it's all up to Gohan..

That ultimate form nobody saw before is gonna happen and it's gonna happen now..

Another thing I am expecting as shock is the revelation of nobody actually being killed..
Gowasu was filming all along..

[dbzfan7]

This whole arc feels like it was partly written to return Gohan to prominence and to glory. If he just gets some wins and loses to some strong guy by the end, it won't be a big deal.

Gohan isn't Piccolo, the humans, or even 17 or 18. You can't just give him a few wins against fodder enemies and call it a day.

Yes, you can. Why does it have to be such a big deal?

Because Gohan sat out of two arcs in a row (Universe 6 tournament and Zamasu arc), and was treated poorly in Return of F.

He's Goku's son and was a lead character in DBZ. Hence all these complaints likely convincing Toei to convince Toriyama to let him return to prominence. There's a reason most people expect Gohan to make it to the end of the tournament with Goku.

Goku can take on Jiren, but man seriously Gohan needs some notable fight. Which we look to get with Freeza....which is sorta odd and uncomfortable considering those ramification possibilities ala U7 vs U7. Not to mention it makes no sense to build him up like this, and then do nothing at all of note. Ya don't make him train hard, return to his ultimate form, have him proclaim he will go further beyond into a new realm, have him fight Blue/KK Blue, and then do nothing at all with that.

[namekiansaiyan]

The shock is likely Goku losing and Gohan winning the tournament. Gohan has done nothing in Super. He needs to redeem himself as the lead hero again.

I think it is time for you to wake up from your dream.

This whole arc feels like it was partly written to return Gohan to prominence and to glory. If he just gets some wins and loses to some strong guy by the end, it won't be a big deal.

Gohan isn't Piccolo, the humans, or even 17 or 18. You can't just give him a few wins against fodder enemies and call it a day.

Yes, you can. Why does it have to be such a big deal?

Because Gohan sat out of two arcs in a row (Universe 6 tournament and Zamasu arc), and was treated poorly in Return of F.

He's Goku's son and was a lead character in DBZ. Hence all these complaints likely convincing Toei to convince Toriyama to let him return to prominence. There's a reason most people expect Gohan to make it to the end of the tournament with Goku.

You actually think Piccolo fans will be happy with him just beating some lower tier fighters? 17 fans won't be either.

Being Goku's son means nothing. Whenever Gohan appears in an episode his fans think he is going to be the strongest again and be the main character.

I don't think complaining from Toei would have done anything as he would have probably had a role in the Future Trunks arc.

[precita]

Gohan's role here is significant. His performance will "make or break" his character in the eyes of the fandom. Him being a disappointment again after his treatment in Super, or even dating back to him not stopping Buu, and to do this yet again, would be the last straw that finally breaks the camels back for people. They would never believe Gohan would do anything ever again and his character will be viewed as a constant disappointment. He might as well retire to the bahamas at that point.

[BlueBasilisk]

Gohan's role here is significant. His performance will "make or break" his character in the eyes of the fandom. Him being a disappointment again after his treatment in Super, or even dating back to him not stopping Buu, and to do this yet again, would be the last straw that finally breaks the camels back for people. They would never believe Gohan would do anything ever again and his character will be viewed as a constant disappointment. He might as well retire to the bahamas at that point.

No it wouldn't. They'd keep watching, complaining about how "our guy Gohan" is getting shafted and threatening to drop the show week after week after week, just like they've done up til now.

[Kanassa]

The shock is likely Goku losing and Gohan winning the tournament. Gohan has done nothing in Super. He needs to redeem himself as the lead hero again.

I think it is time for you to wake up from your dream.

Are you of all people telling people about how outlandish their expectations for their characters are?

would be the last straw that finally breaks the camels back for people

What is it with you and camels!? How many times has this poor thing's back had to be put back together? HOW IS IT STILL ALIVE WITH ALL THESE HARDCORE STRAWS!?

[Boo Machine]

The camel population will never recover at this rate.

Those damned straws.

Ruthless...

I believe gohan will have a fairly big role to play but if he doesn't live up to expectations, then as a Gohan fan, I would be a little bummed, but I'd be fine with it ultimately. Gohan is my favorite but he isn't the only character I like, and I think most of us feel the same way, more or less.

[Kanassa]

The camel population will never recover at this rate.

Those damned straws.

Ruthless...

At this rate we'll need to open a charity. "Do you know that 80% of Camels die from straw related accidents?"

[namekiansaiyan]

Gohan's role here is significant. His performance will "make or break" his character in the eyes of the fandom. Him being a disappointment again after his treatment in Super, or even dating back to him not stopping Buu, and to do this yet again, would be the last straw that finally breaks the camels back for people. They would never believe Gohan would do anything ever again and his character will be viewed as a constant disappointment. He might as well retire to the bahamas at that point.

Have any of you actually thought that Gohan not as big as you think as he is not really a character that fits well in to Dragon Ball as he is not a fighter and he still has 2 Saiyans ahead of him who are fighters.

The shock is likely Goku losing and Gohan winning the tournament. Gohan has done nothing in Super. He needs to redeem himself as the lead hero again.

I think it is time for you to wake up from your dream.

Are you of all people telling people about how outlandish their expectations for their characters are?

Piccolo should be back to where he used to be as he actually deserves and would bring needed variety. He would be if Toriyama would stop with his lazy way of power ups with Saiyans who literally pull them out their arse or giving characters power up to characters nust becausr they are off screen ( Frieza and 17).

What do you think my expectations are?