"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[FortuneSSJ]

Kales was very rushed, there was no explanation how she controled the berserker power.

The only reason why she had problems in the beginning it's because she was supposed to be nothing more than a female Broly. All the other saiyans never lost control when they unlocked SSJ. In episode 101 they finally went deeper with her character and she mastered it after overcome her mental weakness.

[Noah]

I'm really starting to feel like the "terrible thing" that is going to happen is Goku's transformation itself.

I've been saying this shit for months now. It's so goddamn obvious that it's painful. I just hope the pay-off is good.

It won't be, mark my words.

[TheMikado]

That's it. Toei just doesn't understand how to write Dragonball. Or they just don't care.

Dragonball characters don't just get angry and power up with new forms. There's a reason everyone thought Gohan was so remarkable: because he was the only one that could do it. It's never been a thing for anyone else. EVER. There was an entire arc of build up and training to get Kaioken. An entire arc of build up and powering up to get Super Saiyan. The entirety of the Android saga was characters figuring out how to pass Super Saiyan. The one form that comes out of nowhere, Super Saiyan 3, was meant to be a red herring, but in Toei world, you get mad enough you get a new form.

This is the shit I hate Gurren Lagann and many modern anime shows for. You just scream louder and you suddenly can do whatever. There is no tension. I preferred when Super had no stakes, since after Buu is supposed to be peace time, and the story could just exist as superfluous fluff, where viewers can enjoy these characters in a fresh way. But then the Future Trunks arc happened, and now this arc—Toei trying to tell a serious story with tension and drama, but absolutely fail at it at every turn.

There is no tension if their are no limits on the characters. If Luke could scream really hard and use the force to rip the Death Star in half, there would be no tension. It's because the limits of his abilities are firmly established and adhered to that we could get the dramatic finale to Episode 4. How can I care about this if characters can just scream and get 10 bajillion quintillion amarillion times stronger (I don't care about muh power levels; this is about writing 101)? Is destroying the tension, stakes and drama that YOU wanted in the story worth selling new toys? (Rhetorical question; of course it is.)

Hopefully Toyotaro can salvage this in the manga, as he usually does.

Thank you for UNDERSTANDING the core of Dragonball. Characters, fight and traing and struggle for every inch they gain and often times it’s still not enough. They go through hell to power up and usually only win by the skin of their teeth and luck. Instead we get characters powering up with little or no explanation as to why. DB was loved because of the journey, not the flash.

[RedHeat]

That's it. Toei just doesn't understand how to write Dragonball. Or they just don't care.

Dragonball characters don't just get angry and power up with new forms. There's a reason everyone thought Gohan was so remarkable: because he was the only one that could do it. It's never been a thing for anyone else. EVER. There was an entire arc of build up and training to get Kaioken. An entire arc of build up and powering up to get Super Saiyan. The entirety of the Android saga was characters figuring out how to pass Super Saiyan. The one form that comes out of nowhere, Super Saiyan 3, was meant to be a red herring, but in Toei world, you get mad enough you get a new form.

This is the shit I hate Gurren Lagann and many modern anime shows for. You just scream louder and you suddenly can do whatever. There is no tension. I preferred when Super had no stakes, since after Buu is supposed to be peace time, and the story could just exist as superfluous fluff, where viewers can enjoy these characters in a fresh way. But then the Future Trunks arc happened, and now this arc—Toei trying to tell a serious story with tension and drama, but absolutely fail at it at every turn.

There is no tension if their are no limits on the characters. If Luke could scream really hard and use the force to rip the Death Star in half, there would be no tension. It's because the limits of his abilities are firmly established and adhered to that we could get the dramatic finale to Episode 4. How can I care about this if characters can just scream and get 10 bajillion quintillion amarillion times stronger (I don't care about muh power levels; this is about writing 101)? Is destroying the tension, stakes and drama that YOU wanted in the story worth selling new toys? (Rhetorical question; of course it is.)

Hopefully Toyotaro can salvage this in the manga, as he usually does.

Thank you for UNDERSTANDING the core of Dragonball. Characters, fight and traing and struggle for every inch they gain and often times it’s still not enough. They go through hell to power up and usually only win by the skin of their teeth and luck. Instead we get characters powering up with little or no explanation as to why. DB was loved because of the journey, not the flash.

Too bad most people only remember the flash.

[lord godly da don]

That's it. Toei just doesn't understand how to write Dragonball. Or they just don't care.

Dragonball characters don't just get angry and power up with new forms. There's a reason everyone thought Gohan was so remarkable: because he was the only one that could do it. It's never been a thing for anyone else. EVER. There was an entire arc of build up and training to get Kaioken. An entire arc of build up and powering up to get Super Saiyan. The entirety of the Android saga was characters figuring out how to pass Super Saiyan. The one form that comes out of nowhere, Super Saiyan 3, was meant to be a red herring, but in Toei world, you get mad enough you get a new form.

This is the shit I hate Gurren Lagann and many modern anime shows for. You just scream louder and you suddenly can do whatever. There is no tension. I preferred when Super had no stakes, since after Buu is supposed to be peace time, and the story could just exist as superfluous fluff, where viewers can enjoy these characters in a fresh way. But then the Future Trunks arc happened, and now this arc—Toei trying to tell a serious story with tension and drama, but absolutely fail at it at every turn.

There is no tension if their are no limits on the characters. If Luke could scream really hard and use the force to rip the Death Star in half, there would be no tension. It's because the limits of his abilities are firmly established and adhered to that we could get the dramatic finale to Episode 4. How can I care about this if characters can just scream and get 10 bajillion quintillion amarillion times stronger (I don't care about muh power levels; this is about writing 101)? Is destroying the tension, stakes and drama that YOU wanted in the story worth selling new toys? (Rhetorical question; of course it is.)

Hopefully Toyotaro can salvage this in the manga, as he usually does.

Thank you for UNDERSTANDING the core of Dragonball. Characters, fight and traing and struggle for every inch they gain and often times it’s still not enough. They go through hell to power up and usually only win by the skin of their teeth and luck. Instead we get characters powering up with little or no explanation as to why. DB was loved because of the journey, not the flash.

What about freeza and boo saga hella people got power ups they didn't work for. it was actually apart of the plot. during the freeza saga Vegeta got blasted through the stomach just to get one and the boo saga holy shit ssj kids just because, space wizard power ups, and old pervert sky father power ups. come on now.

[Doctor.]

Jesus, what are people outraged by this time?

[Cursemark505]

Yikes! Took a risk at peeking in this thread and the Dragon ball "fanbase" is being toxic, as usual.

Won't be visiting this forum any time soon. Y'all are always whining about something.

[MaskedRider]

Jesus, what are people outraged by this time?

Outraged for the sake of it

[MajinMan]

I suddenly have a strong need to see Goku achieve his new form by yelling so loud that the "new" ki comes out of him mouth and consumes him.

[vashter]

Goddamn.... what the hell yall argue about?? just drop it, have a drink and chill out, wait for 108 come out and have fun.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Tho its a heroes pict, we all know something similar to this will happen in the show itself this coming special.
[spoiler][/spoiler]
SSJGSSJKKx20GD

I CALLED IT!!! Knew there had to be more to it than a simple Spirit Dama.

Curious thought I just had. Remember these guys?
[spoiler][/spoiler]
There's a Golden Frieza in this set that was announced but never revealed. In light of the next episode's events I wonder if he's supposed to be paired with Gohan?

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No pairing it's random. Was just displayed like that.

Jesus, what are people outraged by this time?

DBS has been going well lately so it was only a matter of people being itching to complain about something. Even if it is like 108374th time complaining about Kale.

[Whatever]

That's it. Toei just doesn't understand how to write Dragonball. Or they just don't care.

Dragonball characters don't just get angry and power up with new forms. There's a reason everyone thought Gohan was so remarkable: because he was the only one that could do it. It's never been a thing for anyone else. EVER. There was an entire arc of build up and training to get Kaioken. An entire arc of build up and powering up to get Super Saiyan. The entirety of the Android saga was characters figuring out how to pass Super Saiyan. The one form that comes out of nowhere, Super Saiyan 3, was meant to be a red herring, but in Toei world, you get mad enough you get a new form.

This is the shit I hate Gurren Lagann and many modern anime shows for. You just scream louder and you suddenly can do whatever. There is no tension. I preferred when Super had no stakes, since after Buu is supposed to be peace time, and the story could just exist as superfluous fluff, where viewers can enjoy these characters in a fresh way. But then the Future Trunks arc happened, and now this arc—Toei trying to tell a serious story with tension and drama, but absolutely fail at it at every turn.

There is no tension if their are no limits on the characters. If Luke could scream really hard and use the force to rip the Death Star in half, there would be no tension. It's because the limits of his abilities are firmly established and adhered to that we could get the dramatic finale to Episode 4. How can I care about this if characters can just scream and get 10 bajillion quintillion amarillion times stronger (I don't care about muh power levels; this is about writing 101)? Is destroying the tension, stakes and drama that YOU wanted in the story worth selling new toys? (Rhetorical question; of course it is.)

Hopefully Toyotaro can salvage this in the manga, as he usually does.

Thank you for UNDERSTANDING the core of Dragonball. Characters, fight and traing and struggle for every inch they gain and often times it’s still not enough. They go through hell to power up and usually only win by the skin of their teeth and luck. Instead we get characters powering up with little or no explanation as to why. DB was loved because of the journey, not the flash.

You could make a case of db being about training and struggling till the saiyan saga,from the freeza saga onwards that was almost never the case.

Freeza saga:Goku the strongest one in the saga won against freeza because of zenkai and ssj(which he got just by getting angry),he went from 90k(which is still mostly zenkai)to 3mil with another zenkai and then to 150mil with super saiyan,more than 90% of his current power he did not work for.

Cell saga:Gohan the one of the main cast that has worked the least for his power is the strongest and gets super saiyan 2 by simply getting angry.

Buu saga:Gohan again was the strongest by slacking for 7 years and by sitting on his ass for 24 hours.SSJ3 was an asspull as well.

How you 2 can say that dragonball works like that is something that i cannot understand.

[Kinokima]

I do think the Universe 6 Saiyans powered up too easily. I don't exactly mind that a truly emotional moment would lead to a power up (and yes as pointed out it definitely has happened in DBZ too) but we didn't really get that with the Universe 6 Saiyans. Caulifla was just taught how to do it and that makes little sense. At least Vegeta got Cabba mad.

I guess Kale is kind of an anamoly. Admittedly I never really liked Broli so I don't particularly like the power used here. But it is what it is. It's certainly not going to ruin the tournament for me as there are so many other characters & fighters. And actually when Kale is just Kale I don't mind her at all.

But if they wanted to use the Universe 6 Saiyans in any form they couldn't stay in their base forms. Either they power up to some level or they are basically unimportant. And if you went to the trouble to create new Saiyans then why make them completely powerless and insignificant? What would be the point of that. Of course they could have introduced them as already powered up but then Vegeta had to teach Cabba about SSJ in the U6 tournament (and well I did really love that episode).

I guess my point is sometimes things aren't always the best written but if it leads to something interesting then I can forgive it.

[Lionel]

Krillin became the strongest of the earthlings just by having someone touch his head. True, Gohan received the same increase but he failed to surpass any of the strongest Z-Warriors at the time. At least Gohan's mental composure was put to the test and his Shoki strained as Elder Kaioshin was undergoing his ritual. Goku's Choshinsui unlock was physically excruciating. However, he was tested for only a fraction of the time required for Gohan's unlock. Next to Krillin's unlock, Freeza somehow becoming so much more powerful just through mental image training in a cocoon sounds like a more culpable example of unwarranted power increases. Why is he being allowed to retain his body in the first place? I thought only a select few individuals were permitted to retain their body. Freeza would be at the body of the list of ningens who are eligible for this privilege.

I feel like the issue that's being brought up about supposedly unjustified power increases hearkens back to the grievance with transformations becoming a defining gimmick for growth. How are the main characters supposed to make exponential rises in power without undergoing yet another transformation? Increases can only be prescribed to the notion of training hard so much before it starts to wear on some of the viewerships' nerves, and unfortunately transformations are the go-to device for ensuring a quick and effective power increase. Kaioken was an interesting and arguably reasonable alternative means of allowing Goku to become stronger when needed, but it's opened up a huge can of worms since the Champa arc involving a number of hot topic questions. I suppose if Goku is unable to acquire mesh Kaioken with the Limit Breaker form and Vegeta acquires it then the pair will be certifiably equal to each other then. We haven't seen that arrangement since the Resurrection of Freeza arc.

[BlueBasilisk]

Curious thought I just had. Remember these guys?
[spoiler][/spoiler]
There's a Golden Frieza in this set that was announced but never revealed. In light of the next episode's events I wonder if he's supposed to be paired with Gohan?

No pairing it's random. Was just displayed like that..

I was meaning with the way they can be set up for display. You can set them up for nice battle scenes but most of the characters are sculpted in a way that you can only pair them off with certain other figures or only their back side will be visible. Like if you put Kale with Goku or Gohan. But it looks like Frieza has a nice centered pose instead.

[Freeza9000]

That's it, this is by far the best episode of the tournament. Just the way Freeza trolled Frost like that and Frost's reaction when he got sent to the bleachers was just UTTERLY PRICELESSS!!!!!

[SansrivaaL]

So Freeza wasnt as suicidal and dumb as I thought he would be, great!
Preview was hype, so Goku literally does what the hero pict showed, SSJGSSJKKx20GD... god that is long.

[Zamasu55]

What the fuck?

[Lord Beerus]

Frost just got erased by Zeno (for trying to attack Freeza for Freeza betraying him).

What a twist.

[Kanassa]

That's it, this is by far the best episode of the tournament. Just the way Freeza trolled Frost like that and Frost's reaction when he got sent to the bleachers was just UTTERLY PRICELESSS!!!!!

I like how he first built a semi-personal connection by showing Frost the 100% form JUST to make it hurt more.

Also, 100% Frost is gonna be in my nightmares for weeks!