Dragonball Kai (FUNimation English) Dub: General Discussion

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

How is it not DBZ? It tells the story that DBZ told using the same footage, sound effects, and mostly the same actors. Just because Toei decided to drop the Z doesn't change the fact that it's a re-edited version of Z.

Exactly. It's pretty much a rebranded Dragon Ball Z.

[ohaimynameiserik]

That'd be like George Lucas marketing the digitally altered versions of the original star wars trilogy as different movies.

As much as we know Han shot first, it's still the original Star Wars trilogy.

Saying Dragon Ball Kai is not Dragon Ball Z is kinda silly at this point.

[Gaffer Tape]

That'd be like George Lucas marketing the digitally altered versions of the original star wars trilogy as different movies.

As much as we know Han shot first, it's still the original Star Wars trilogy.

Saying Dragon Ball Kai is not Dragon Ball Z is kinda silly at this point.

Geez, I wish he would market the digitally altered versions as different movies...

As much as Kai is a re-edited Z, I can understand the not-Z argument as well. If we are to suppose that Kai is supposed to be adhering closer to the manga, then it really isn't Z, as there is no Z manga. Therefore, it's an animated adaptation of the last two-third of the Dragon Ball.

[B]

It can't be Dragon Ball Z; there are people who have totally different reactions to both.
Plus, I'm enjoying it. :/

[Chrono Trigger]

It's technically not DBZ but you can't really get mad at somebody for saying/thinking it is DBZ. If the average person saw it on television they would probably think it was DBZ anyways.

[Kendamu]

That'd be like George Lucas marketing the digitally altered versions of the original star wars trilogy as different movies.

As much as we know Han shot first, it's still the original Star Wars trilogy.

Saying Dragon Ball Kai is not Dragon Ball Z is kinda silly at this point.

You can't sit me down and have me watch the first 16 episodes of Kai and the first 30-something episodes of Z and go, "See? It's the exact same thing!" If Kai and Z are the same, then nobody would be comparing them.

[Metalwario64]

You can't sit me down and have me watch the first 16 episodes of Kai and the first 30-something episodes of Z and go, "See? It's the exact same thing!" If Kai and Z are the same, then nobody would be comparing them.

I don't think anyone is saying that they are the *exact* same thing... But they are saying that it is simply a re cut of Dragon Ball Z, and is essentially a different version of the same show, but with filler removed and a different soundtrack.

Saying Kai is not Dragon Ball Z would be like saying that Street Fighter II' Champion Edition is not Street Fighter II, when it is simply a modified version of SFII; it has differences, but it isn't a completely new game, just like Kai has differences from Z, but isn't entirely new and different.

[ohaimynameiserik]

That'd be like George Lucas marketing the digitally altered versions of the original star wars trilogy as different movies.

As much as we know Han shot first, it's still the original Star Wars trilogy.

Saying Dragon Ball Kai is not Dragon Ball Z is kinda silly at this point.

You can't sit me down and have me watch the first 16 episodes of Kai and the first 30-something episodes of Z and go, "See? It's the exact same thing!" If Kai and Z are the same, then nobody would be comparing them.

Same footage

Same characters

Same story

I think that's enough to say it is a different VERSION of Dragon Ball Z.

[Metalwario64]

Same footage

Same characters

Same story

I think that's enough to say it is a different VERSION of Dragon Ball Z.

And (mostly) same actors.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

It's technically not DBZ but you can't really get mad at somebody for saying/thinking it is DBZ. If the average person saw it on television they would probably think it was DBZ anyways.

Yeah and FUNimation calling it Dragon Ball Z Kai isn't helping.

[rereboy]

Yeah and FUNimation calling it Dragon Ball Z Kai isn't helping.

Toei should have called it DBZ Kai right from the start. Its a much more fitting name.

[Xyex]

It's. Not. DBZ.

Yes. It. Is.

then it really isn't Z, as there is no Z manga. Therefore, it's an animated adaptation of the last two-third of the Dragon Ball.

So was DBZ, for the same reason.

It can't be Dragon Ball Z; there are people who have totally different reactions to both.
Plus, I'm enjoying it. :/

People had totally different reactions to the Star Wars special editions compared to the originals, too.

If Kai and Z are the same, then nobody would be comparing them.

You have that backwards. It's because they're the same that people are comparing them. If they weren't the same then there'd be no basis for comparison.

Yeah and FUNimation calling it Dragon Ball Z Kai isn't helping.

Toei should have called it DBZ Kai right from the start. Its a much more fitting name.

Agreed. FUNi actually showed more intelligence than Toei on this. Yes, it's supposed to be more faithful to the manga, but... uh... the Dragonball manga started with Goku and Bulma meeting, not with Raditz arriving (or Bardock, for that matter). Beyond this, the division exists in the anime and ignoring it is just stupid and confusing to those who don't pay attention to every little detail. "Dragonball Kai" sounds like either a remake/refreshing of DB (starting from, you know, page/episode 1) or a brand new series (like GT) and not a remake/refreshing of DBZ. Where as DBZ Kai states, quite clearly, what to expect from the series.

[Kendamu]

If Kai and Z are the same, then nobody would be comparing them.

You have that backwards. It's because they're the same that people are comparing them. If they weren't the same then there'd be no basis for comparison.

No. If they're the same, then there'd be no sense in comparing them. Give me a copy of FUNi DBox Z Vol. 1 and FUNi Orange Brick #1 and ask me to compare. That's the same thing. The presentation is very different, but it's the same footage shown at the same length in the same order with (mostly) the same voices, sound effects, and music.

However, as I said before, if you expect me to believe Kai and Z are the same thing, you might as well believe that Z and TFS DBZ Abridged are the same thing, too. I mean, they use edited Z footage and basically follow the same story, right?

I don't get why it's so hard for people to understand that a condensed version of an old TV show is not the same as said old TV show. If it were, I'd just buy the old TV show and not worry about the other version 'cause it's the same thing as what I'm already getting.

Hence why I'm not buying the Oragne Bricks and the DBox. They're the same thing but one is in a much higher quality. No need to buy them both.

[ohaimynameiserik]

If Kai and Z are the same, then nobody would be comparing them.

You have that backwards. It's because they're the same that people are comparing them. If they weren't the same then there'd be no basis for comparison.

No. If they're the same, then there'd be no sense in comparing them. Give me a copy of FUNi DBox Z Vol. 1 and FUNi Orange Brick #1 and ask me to compare. That's the same thing. The presentation is very different, but it's the same footage shown at the same length in the same order with (mostly) the same voices, sound effects, and music.

However, as I said before, if you expect me to believe Kai and Z are the same thing, you might as well believe that Z and TFS DBZ Abridged are the same thing, too. I mean, they use edited Z footage and basically follow the same story, right?

I don't get why it's so hard for people to understand that a condensed version of an old TV show is not the same as said old TV show. If it were, I'd just buy the old TV show and not worry about the other version 'cause it's the same thing as what I'm already getting.

Hence why I'm not buying the Oragne Bricks and the DBox. They're the same thing but one is in a much higher quality. No need to buy them both.

So if you were to watch an extended cut of a movie, and THEN watch the theatrical cut down release, you would say they're 2 different movies?

I don't follow you.

[Gaffer Tape]

Yeah, I would. The original theatrical cut is the movie. The special awesome director's extended magical cut is some vanity project based on the real movie. Because, you know, I'm being objective and non-biased in my opinions about recutting films. ^_^

[Li'l Lemmy]

Why is this even a discussion?

Look. We're all educated mothafuckas. We know that Kai is not a "new" series. It is, however, a new take ON the series. A revisioning. A remastering. A fuckin' rental version for people short on time and patience. That alone qualifies it as a different show. Nevermind what they cut and where they cut it-- the sheer amount of shit that's being cut in the first place makes Kai the Weight Watcher's version of DBZ. It's vitamins, minerals and nutrients. It's 99% fat-free. And then they top it off with an entirely new recording? How is this the same show? It's not the same show. DBZ is what you eat when you're a kid and don't give a fuck. You've got the time and you've got the metabolism. Kai is what you eat twenty years later when the mirror tells you that y'need to drop some pounds. It don't taste the same, but it do taste. You're losin' weight, and you feel great.


~Da Lemmy

[LilKokuLink]

Why is this even a discussion?

Look. We're all educated mothafuckas. We know that Kai is not a "new" series. It is, however, a new take ON the series. A revisioning. A remastering. A fuckin' rental version for people short on time and patience. That alone qualifies it as a different show. Nevermind what they cut and where they cut it-- the sheer amount of shit that's being cut in the first place makes Kai the Weight Watcher's version of DBZ. It's vitamins, minerals and nutrients. It's 99% fat-free. And then they top it off with an entirely new recording? How is this the same show? It's not the same show. DBZ is what you eat when you're a kid and don't give a fuck. You've got the time and you've got the metabolism. Kai is what you eat twenty years later when the mirror tells you that y'need to drop some pounds. It don't taste the same, but it do taste. You're losin' weight, and you feel great.


~Da Lemmy

Inspiring bit of writing you have there.

[ohaimynameiserik]

Why is this even a discussion?

Look. We're all educated mothafuckas. We know that Kai is not a "new" series. It is, however, a new take ON the series. A revisioning. A remastering. A fuckin' rental version for people short on time and patience. That alone qualifies it as a different show. Nevermind what they cut and where they cut it-- the sheer amount of shit that's being cut in the first place makes Kai the Weight Watcher's version of DBZ. It's vitamins, minerals and nutrients. It's 99% fat-free. And then they top it off with an entirely new recording? How is this the same show? It's not the same show. DBZ is what you eat when you're a kid and don't give a fuck. You've got the time and you've got the metabolism. Kai is what you eat twenty years later when the mirror tells you that y'need to drop some pounds. It don't taste the same, but it do taste. You're losin' weight, and you feel great.


~Da Lemmy

*This is my argument. It's a different version of DBZ. It is obviously not the EXACT same show, and no one has said that. It starts where DBZ started, uses the same footage as DBZ, and has the same characters and story.

It is Dragon Ball Z refreshed.

[verto]

Why is this even a discussion?

Look. We're all educated mothafuckas. We know that Kai is not a "new" series. It is, however, a new take ON the series. A revisioning. A remastering. A fuckin' rental version for people short on time and patience. That alone qualifies it as a different show. Nevermind what they cut and where they cut it-- the sheer amount of shit that's being cut in the first place makes Kai the Weight Watcher's version of DBZ. It's vitamins, minerals and nutrients. It's 99% fat-free. And then they top it off with an entirely new recording? How is this the same show? It's not the same show. DBZ is what you eat when you're a kid and don't give a fuck. You've got the time and you've got the metabolism. Kai is what you eat twenty years later when the mirror tells you that y'need to drop some pounds. It don't taste the same, but it do taste. You're losin' weight, and you feel great.


~Da Lemmy

That sounds about right, except for the last part.

It don't taste the same, it tastes similar, but its missing something. You're losin' weight, and you feel great.

There ya go.

[Li'l Lemmy]

Inspiring bit of writing you have there.

Otherwise known as a tangent. I have 'em. Too many of 'em. ^_^

This is my argument. It's a different version of DBZ. It is obviously not the EXACT same show, and no one has said that. It starts where DBZ started, uses the same footage as DBZ, and has the same characters and story.

It is Dragon Ball Z refreshed.

It ain't completely different, no. It's a "version" of something already existing-- naw, I get that. What I don't get is these people who're runnin' around saying that they can watch either/or and get the exact same "experience".

That sounds about right, except for the last part.

It don't taste the same, it tastes similar, but its missing something. You're losin' weight, and you feel great.

There ya go.

Oh, it tastes similar. It'd fuckin' better, or I don't wannit. New Coke? Fuck off.


~Da Lemmy