Die-hard dub fans (why are you, if so?)

Ultimate_DB_Fan · Post by **Ultimate_DB_Fan** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:21 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:I think everyone in the dub cast is perfect for their characters now. Schemmel is phenomenal as Goku. And Chris Sabat's Piccolo since 2005? Amazing.

Thank you!

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:22 pm

Regarding Killa's voice, it's helluva better than this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtzlKJ1dObU

Timo · Post by **Timo** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:32 pm

At least it's English. Be happy that you don't understand German. If so, you would have notice that the "German" in Evangelion and Fullmetal Alchemist is horrible (in both, Japanese AND the English dub).

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:56 pm

No, the reason why Freeza's voice isn't appropriate is because he's supposed to be a refined gentleman, despite being a brutal dictator, not a grandma or a creepy transvestite. In both voice and scripting, Funimation missed the point of Freeza.

Hell, the recent DBZ Abridged special has Freeza better. They actually understand what Freeza is about.

jjgp1112 wrote:d Chris Sabat's Piccolo since 2005? Amazing.

Please. Sabat's Piccolo is "Generic Gruff Voiced Guy #202028449-B". That voice belongs on an extra, not a main character. At least Scott McNeil's had a little character to it.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:01 pm

penguintruth wrote:No, the reason why Freeza's voice isn't appropriate is because he's supposed to be a refined gentleman, despite being a brutal dictator, not a grandma or a creepy transvestite. In both voice and scripting, Funimation missed the point of Freeza.

Hell, the recent DBZ Abridged special has Freeza better. They actually understand what Freeza is about.

jjgp1112 wrote:d Chris Sabat's Piccolo since 2005? Amazing.
Please. Sabat's Piccolo is "Generic Gruff Voiced Guy #202028449-B". That voice belongs on an extra, not a main character. At least Scott McNeil's had a little character to it.

Well it's nice to know that that's what you think. I'll just stick to my opinion of him being better than Scott Mcneil.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:09 pm

penguintruth wrote:No, the reason why Freeza's voice isn't appropriate is because he's supposed to be a refined gentleman, despite being a brutal dictator, not a grandma or a creepy transvestite.

Adolf Hitler had a high nasal voice.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:14 pm

I mean, you can tell me anything you want about a character's personality, but looks is also an important part in deciding a characters voice, and I'm sorry, but there is no way you can convince me that Frieza actually looks like a man.

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:21 pm

That is besides the point.

The Funimation dub, from Ocean cast to Funimation cast, shows a complete lack of understanding for many, if not most, of the characters in the voice choices, the performances, and the scripting. It's almost as though they really had no idea what they were getting into or didn't care.

And it's funny, since DBZ's characters aren't what I would consider complex. It's funny how Funimation managed to miss what few complexities the characters had.

Frankly, I'm surprised that the subtitles on the DVDs capture the correct characteristics. Whoever they get to do them must actually care about what DBZ is.

If you simply want voices that suit the body types, there are a million generic cartoons out there with this going for it. DBZ has personality because it disregards this at times for the sake of characterization.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:25 pm

There's a point where things just get ridiculous. You guys say all the time about how you want characters with natural sounding voices, but Frieza with a manly voice is incredibly unnatural.

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:33 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:There's a point where things just get ridiculous. You guys say all the time about how you want characters with natural sounding voices, but Freeza with a manly voice is incredibly unnatural.

Freeza's Japanese voice isn't exceptionally "manly" either. But neither does it sound like a grandmother or a transvestite.

Ultimate_DB_Fan · Post by **Ultimate_DB_Fan** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:41 pm

Oh, boy, now it's about Freeza's Funi-voice now...
Fact is, Funi chose who they wanted the characters to be voiced by, and there's nothing the nay-sayers can do about it.
If Funi used accurate scripts, not a lot of people would be complaining.

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:42 pm

Ultimate_DB_Fan wrote:Oh, boy, now it's about Freeza's Funi-voice now...
Fact is, Funi chose who they wanted the characters to be voiced by, and there's nothing the nay-sayers can do about it.
If Funi used accurate scripts, not a lot of people would be complaining.

Well, the scripts are the worst of the dub's problems, but not the only problem.

Even where voices do fit in the dub, the performances tend to lack. There's probably some bad direction.

Ultimate_DB_Fan · Post by **Ultimate_DB_Fan** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:47 pm

penguintruth wrote:
Ultimate_DB_Fan wrote:Oh, boy, now it's about Freeza's Funi-voice now...
Fact is, Funi chose who they wanted the characters to be voiced by, and there's nothing the nay-sayers can do about it.
If Funi used accurate scripts, not a lot of people would be complaining.
Well, the scripts are the worst of the dub's problems, but not the only problem.

Even where voices do fit in the dub, the performances tend to lack. There's probably some bad direction.

Uh huh. Okay... >_>

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:49 pm

Ultimate_DB_Fan wrote: I'll dust my shoulders off, watch the dub whenever I want and drink my beers in the process.

That's how I dull the pain whenever I watch the dub too.

Godo wrote:Regarding Killa's voice, it's helluva better than this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtzlKJ1dObU

Really? I heard a lot more white sounding black men then I've heard black guys who speak like "HIBBIDIJIBBIDI HURBADURBA HOWYA DOIN!?"

Ultimate_DB_Fan · Post by **Ultimate_DB_Fan** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:02 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:
Ultimate_DB_Fan wrote: I'll dust my shoulders off, watch the dub whenever I want and drink my beers in the process.
That's how I dull the pain whenever I watch the dub too.

I'm not suppressing anything, just chillin'. But, hey, if that's what you do, then okay.

B · Post by B » Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:07 pm

Ultimate_DB_Fan wrote:
penguintruth wrote:
Ultimate_DB_Fan wrote:Oh, boy, now it's about Freeza's Funi-voice now...
Fact is, Funi chose who they wanted the characters to be voiced by, and there's nothing the nay-sayers can do about it.
If Funi used accurate scripts, not a lot of people would be complaining.
Well, the scripts are the worst of the dub's problems, but not the only problem.

Even where voices do fit in the dub, the performances tend to lack. There's probably some bad direction.
Uh huh. Okay... >_>

You're darn tootin' like the fist of the north star "okay." Vale's Trunks in Z is pitiful. Even Hebert's Gohan varied here and there.

So yes, "okay" to the fact that even when voices fit characters, they can still fall off the mark. "Okay," indeed.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:13 pm

I always thought that Eric Vale was great as Trunks.

Oh wait, I have to state the opinion as a fact in order for it to actually matter. Silly me.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:14 pm

B wrote:
Ultimate_DB_Fan wrote:
penguintruth wrote: Well, the scripts are the worst of the dub's problems, but not the only problem.

Even where voices do fit in the dub, the performances tend to lack. There's probably some bad direction.
Uh huh. Okay... >_>
You're darn tootin' like the fist of the north star "okay." Vale's Trunks in Z is pitiful. Even Hebert's Gohan varied here and there.

So yes, "okay" to the fact that even when voices fit characters, they can still fall off the mark. "Okay," indeed.

Way to keep things in context.

B · Post by B » Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:20 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:I always thought that Eric Vale was great as Trunks.

Oh wait, I have to state the opinion as a fact in order for it to actually matter. Silly me.

No one said your opinion didn't matter. Stop taking the criticism of an actor who lives miles away from you as... well, criticism of you.

And, since it seems you need to use qualifiers in order to keep snark from the opposite side to a minimum, I think Vale is fine in GT and the games. Back in Z, it was one of his first roles and it showed. Although, those last few episodes where main-timeline Trunks shows up as an adult, he's okay. So he wasn't awful completely throughout Z.

Was that enough dubwuving to make evwybody happy?

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:24 pm

B wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:I always thought that Eric Vale was great as Trunks.

Oh wait, I have to state the opinion as a fact in order for it to actually matter. Silly me.
No one said your opinion didn't matter. Stop taking the criticism of an actor who lives miles away from you as... well, criticism of you.

And, since it seems you need to use qualifiers in order to keep snark from the opposite side to a minimum, I think Vale is fine in GT and the games. Back in Z, it was one of his first roles and it showed. Although, those last few episodes where main-timeline Trunks shows up as an adult, he's okay. So he wasn't awful completely throughout Z.

Was that enough dubwuving to make evwybody happy?

Except, I didn't make it seem like I was mad he was being bashed at all. It's just that every time someone says that they think someone in the dub has a good voice, about 10 come in and act like it's wrong or some shit. At the end of the day, it's all personal opinions.