New "Remastered Box Set" Information

ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 2:40 pm

Gokuden553 wrote: Actual Dragon Box image

Why does this "Actual Pic" from the Dragon Box have black bars on the sides? The single disc I own has no such thing. Every pixel is being used. Just curious.

Here's a photo from my single release DVD of them, and yes, I left it as 720 x 480 so we can be certain its from the DVD

Gokuden553 · Post by **Gokuden553** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:04 pm

DBW wrote:
Gokuden553 wrote:*images snipped*
Could you please stop posting doctored images...it's not very helpful. Not only are the colours insanely bright, but the quality is rather poor. Look at the open sky in this image, it's a digital mess...

Gokuden553's image

Actual Dragon Box image

FUNi comparison

And just for the record, Pony Canyon didn't do any real "remastering" for the Dragon Box per-se. They just took the original photography and removed any damage and re-aligned the footage where necessary. Therefore, the colours aren't cranked up and the grain isn't digitally wiped clean like in Gokuden553's image. It's basically just the raw photography.

Damn I got ripped off by ordering my Dragon Box DVD's off ebay,

Despite them saying that they "contain original Japanese Dragon Box footage" I suppose they don't, this sucks since I have all 291 episodes now in Japanese RAW format just to find out that their not official enough

By the way, why are the episodes I bought off ebay seem to have no grain in them, unlike that image DBW posted also how was it possible for them to get rid of all that grain?

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:14 pm

Gokuden553 wrote: Damn I got ripped off by ordering my Dragon Box DVD's off ebay,

Despite them saying that they "contain original Japanese Dragon Box footage" I suppose they don't, this sucks since I have all 291 episodes now in Japanese RAW format just to find out that their not official enough

By the way, why are the episodes I bought off ebay seem to have no grain in them, unlike that image DBW posted also how was it possible for them to get rid of all that grain?

Are you sure that's the deal behind those screen caps? I think that you're just trying to deceive us, that's just my opinion though.

EDIT:

ect5150 wrote:Why does this "Actual Pic" from the Dragon Box have black bars on the sides? The single disc I own has no such thing. Every pixel is being used. Just curious.

Here's a photo from my single release DVD of them, and yes, I left it as 720 x 480 so we can be certain its from the DVD

Hopefully DBW can come in with an image from his set and clear things up for us. Seems kind of strange to me that it doesn't have black bars on the sides.

Alucard · Post by **Alucard** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:40 pm

Gokuden553 wrote:Despite them saying that they "contain original Japanese Dragon Box footage" I suppose they don't, this sucks since I have all 291 episodes now in Japanese RAW format just to find out that their not official enough

You say you have all 291 episodes in RAW Japanese Dragon Box quality, that you bought from ebay. Would you please post a screencap from episode 68? I just have a strange feeling

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ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:45 pm

Gokuden553 wrote:By the way, why are the episodes I bought off ebay seem to have no grain in them, unlike that image DBW posted also how was it possible for them to get rid of all that grain?

Number one, the avi files those are from were compressed with XVid, which gets rid of a lot of the film grain. Number two, you should scan in your DVD box to show us what it says then. I can't believe it would contain a DVD version of Dragon Box and look like that.

Gokuden553 · Post by **Gokuden553** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:55 pm

ect5150 wrote:
Gokuden553 wrote:By the way, why are the episodes I bought off ebay seem to have no grain in them, unlike that image DBW posted also how was it possible for them to get rid of all that grain?
Number one, the avi files those are from were compressed with XVid, which gets rid of a lot of the film grain. Number two, you should scan in your DVD box to show us what it says then. I can't believe it would contain a DVD version of Dragon Box and look like that.

Sadly I don't have a scanner, but here's the image of what the box which contained all 291 episodes in...

And here's the link with proof of what episodes it contained, and the price of £200 which I had to pay for it

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Dragonball-Dragon ... otohosting

I bought one a few mounths back when he advertised it before, and now he's put up another one to buy, I never thought it was altered at all.

Note: The episodes arn't subbed, it's a lie since they were RAW when I played them on my laptop with Power DVD.

Sorry if it bends the rules a bit, but I just wanted to point it out for those who wanted to know

ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:03 pm

Gokuden553 wrote:Note: I bought one a few months back when he advertised it before, and now he's put up another one to buy, I never thought it was altered at all.

Every episode across 20 discs and you didn't think they were altered?

I think for all practical purposes, you could have just downloaded those eps. They actually play in your DVD player? And the subtitles appear and everything? And they have the eyecatches and preview of the next episode after the credits and all?

Gokuden553 · Post by **Gokuden553** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:09 pm

ect5150 wrote:
Gokuden553 wrote:Note: I bought one a few months back when he advertised it before, and now he's put up another one to buy, I never thought it was altered at all.
Every episode across 20 discs and you didn't think they were altered?

I think for all practical purposes, you could have just downloaded those eps. They actually play in your DVD player? And the subtitles appear and everything? And they have the eyecatches and preview of the next episode after the credits and all?

Nope it doesen't have subtitles that's why I was ripped off, they just came on normal DVD-R disks which were possibly transfered by someone else... but anyways at least they would be good for comparisons on here.

Sorry for the colour quality on the images I posted, I never thought it would be messed up so bad... even I thought something was wrong seeing Goku's shirt being so bright *Thanx for pointing it out for me*

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:09 pm

I'm damn sure the he can't put up a screen cap from the opening credits, the eye catches or the ending credits. I'm not trying to be a dick or anything like that, I just don't like being lied to. It's quite obvious he downloaded the episodes.

Gokuden553 · Post by **Gokuden553** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:15 pm

SatoSky wrote:I'm damn sure the he can't put up a screen cap from the opening credits, the eye catches or the ending credits. I'm not trying to be a dick or anything like that, I just don't like being lied to. It's quite obvious he downloaded the episodes.

I guess you didn't bother to notice the picture of the intro's end that I posted back on page 21, anyways here it is...

ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:27 pm

Gokuden553 wrote:Funi DBZ DVD intro 2

Funi-remaster

Dragon Box

Those 3, right? I don't have a Dragon Box disc to compare where Goku goes SSJ in the open credits, so I won't comment there. But I wondered why the Funimantion one on top looked so blurred because I know the Funi discs aren't THAT bad.

Adamant · Post by **Adamant** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:28 pm

Gokuden553 wrote:Sadly I don't have a scanner, but here's the image of what the box which contained all 291 episodes in...

Well-known bootleg. You got ripped off big time.

Gokuden553 · Post by **Gokuden553** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:43 pm

As promiced for proof, here's some frames from episode 289 from my Dragon Ball Z TV Series Complete 20 DVD set.

Bideru, Trunks and Son-Gohan

Son-Goten and Son-Goku

Son-Goten, Trunks, Son-Goku, Pan-chan and Bejita

Just so you know I'm not allowed to download anything, since my parents know it's illigal and say I should buy things I want by myself... also their very cautious of what I click on and monitor me daily.

Once again I'm sorry for saying my images were Dragon Box quality, since it's what I grew up with watching and I didn't know until you mentioned it to me now... but if I do a comparison again I'll just refer them as original and not Dragon Box

Either way now that I've proved my point, lets move on.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:48 pm

Gokuden553 wrote:Nope it doesen't have subtitles that's why I was ripped off, they just came on normal DVD-R disks which were possibly transfered by someone else... but anyways at least they would be good for comparisons on here.

How are you being ripped off for it not having subtitles, if your copy is indeed a transfer of the Dragonbox discs, then what you bought is geared at the Japanese fan-base; not us English speakers. Rather you buy the Dragonbox Singles, the rare Dragonboxes themselves, or even a transfer of the discs; you don't get ripped off because of lack of subtitles. If you want subtitles, buy a release aimed at English speakers.

What you are being ripped off of, like Mike said, is buying what are basically bootlegged transfers of the Dragonbox, as you don't have the real deal.

One more thing, I seriously doubt the cropping will be as bad as this ludicrous image makes it out to be. It seems to me like a largely exaggerated cropping of what we'll actually get, and it doesn't help things that that footage appears to be from FUNi's already zoomed-in Ultimate Uncut masters. The wide-screen will be applied to the original film source, as we all know, not that crappy digi-beta source. Looking at one of those comparison images of Goku and Vegeta squaring off in stance, it seriously doesn't look like we're losing much, and there's the possibility FUNi can pan the image inside the wide-screen to catch certain things otherwise cropped (similar to the pan-and-scan full-screen versions of Star Wars and other movies); such as Vegeta's impact after being hit with the Spirit Bomb.

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:59 pm

I would honestly believe that Gokuden553 was ripped off and bought bootlegs if he didn't keep posting images with a resolution of 576x432. Well known fact: DVD's have resolutions of 720x480 and 720x576 for NTSC and PAL, respectively. Being as how Japan uses 720x480 it should be possible for you to post a 720x480 image. It's just all kind of fishy to me.

ect5150 wrote:But I wondered why the Funimantion one on top looked so blurred because I know the Funi discs aren't THAT bad.

Here's that image in question.
FUNi DVD:

Compared to Gokuden553's image, it's not as blurred.

EDIT: Could you please remove the link to the bootleg DVD set? It's stretching out the page way too much. If you won't remove it, at least use a URL tag or something.

DBW · Post by **DBW** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 5:02 pm

ect5150 wrote:Why does this "Actual Pic" from the Dragon Box have black bars on the sides?

It's the edge of the frame. Check out my images from episode 34 on page 21 of this thread...
http://db.schuby.org/daizex/viewtopic.p ... &start=400
The opening credits has slight bars on the sides, the actual episode has no bars at all, and the ending credits have just caught the edge on the bottom right corner. Different episodes are aligned differently, so sometimes you'll see it and other times you won't.

Here's a perfect example I caught from Urusei Yatsura, where you can actually see the complete rounded top right corner of the frame.

Gokuden553 · Post by **Gokuden553** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 5:03 pm

ect5150 wrote:
Gokuden553 wrote:But I wondered why the Funimantion one on top looked so blurred because I know the Funi discs aren't THAT bad.

He he, I print screened an image of a Funimation DBZ movie intro off youtube and made it bigger in Power Point... then posted it here.

I knew that re-sizing would get found out in the end, and yup I don't own any Funimation DVD's... just these so-called Dragon Box ones.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 5:05 pm

People... if you don't know your tech, don't try and fake it.

See FUNimation as a prime example of what kind of responses you'll get.

Kula · Post by **Kula** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 5:11 pm

Gokuden553, I also got ripped off with those bootlegs. It was well over a year before I found out that they weren't genuine.

Blitzen · Post by **Blitzen** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 5:29 pm

Gokuden553 wrote: Bideru, Trunks and Son-Gohan
Son-Goten, Trunks, Son-Goku, Pan-chan and Bejita

Okay, so not only are you using shit bootlegs at a lower resolution as a comparison and throwing the thread into a whole lot of "WELL THIS, BUT THAT< BUT WAIT, THERES THIS, WHAT", but you're also using the most wappity weaboo japanophile names short of I dunno, Torankasu. What the hell?

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