Unpopular DB opinions

[PelicanDynasty]

I will third this. Cell Saga blows.

I'll fourth this. Gohan vs Cell is so overrated

Fifthed, and Gero is baedroid. I loved how the original androids resembled dolls, much more creative than 16, 17, and 18. I want my Dr. Gero Arc!

I guess it's not really an "unpopular opinion" at this point.

[Esfír Dedragón]

For today's Unpopular Opinions:

1) I like Vegerot more than I like Vegito/Vegetto.

2) Goku Black should have been a resurrected form of Future Goku from Trunk's timeline.

3) I like the idea of Goku showing some kind of romance with Chi-Chi.

4) I like the origin story of Majin Buu better that the retconned version.

5) I like the accents FUNimation gave to some characters in the franchise.

6) I like Future Trunks and maybe Kid Trunks being a single longer.

7) I'm glad that Gohan retired from fighting. Rather that a character flaw, I view it as a character strength that despite having the potential to be a strong fighter, he CHOOSES not to. He's not bound by his genetics or environment to be forced into fighting anymore.

[WobbuSleuth]

Kurilin was better rival for Goku than Vegeta.

[ABED]

Kurilin was better rival for Goku than Vegeta.

How do you figure?

[nickzambuto]

Kurilin was better rival for Goku than Vegeta.

We should play a game on how many possible ways there are to spell Krillin/Kururin/Kurilin/Killyin/Clearin/Krillkacarrotcake's name.

[nickzambuto]

- His King Kai is horrible. To put it blandly, this is supposed to be our narrator, or at least sound like him. I don't think anyone will disagree this voice is simply unfitting for the task. His performance is great, but the voice is not appropriate.

Oh shit. I always knew that Kaio/King Kai and the narrator had the same VA in Japan, but are you telling me this was intentional double-casting to make it seem like Kaio has been the one narrating to us this whole time, to imply Kaio's power and influence the second we meet him? That's badass. Kaio shot up on my favorite characters list just because of that.

[WobbuSleuth]

Kurilin was better rival for Goku than Vegeta.

How do you figure?

I think it's because Kurilin was more likable and relatable as character. Kurilin is a human. Not just human, but nothing more then weakling in the beginning. He is not Saiyan with the natural talent for martial arts, but he managed to keep up with Goku until some point. Unlike Vegeta Kurilin wasn't whiny or annoying during their rivalry.
His battle with Goku in 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai is the best example of what I talking about.

[ABED]

Kurilin was better rival for Goku than Vegeta.

How do you figure?

I think it's because Kurilin was more likable and relatable as character. Kurilin is a human. Not just human, but nothing more then weakling in the beginning. He is not Saiyan with the natural talent for martial arts, but he managed to keep up with Goku until some point. Unlike Vegeta Kurilin wasn't whiny or annoying during their rivalry.
His battle with Goku in 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai is the best example of what I talking about.

Which of those qualities makes him a better rival? He's not as strong or as driven to be better than Goku. To be a rival, you need to be in someone's league, which Kuririn was for about a cup of coffee. Even in their fight at the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai, Goku held back A LOT!

[nickzambuto]

How do you figure?

I think it's because Kurilin was more likable and relatable as character. Kurilin is a human. Not just human, but nothing more then weakling in the beginning. He is not Saiyan with the natural talent for martial arts, but he managed to keep up with Goku until some point. Unlike Vegeta Kurilin wasn't whiny or annoying during their rivalry.
His battle with Goku in 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai is the best example of what I talking about.

Which of those qualities makes him a better rival? He's not as strong or as driven to be better than Goku. To be a rival, you need to be in someone's league, which Kuririn was for about a cup of coffee. Even in their fight at the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai, Goku held back A LOT!

It's heavily implied against Tenshinhan that Goku could have killed Krillin with one punch, and when Tambourine came around and did exactly that, only for Goku to easily brutalize Tambourine, it was proven true. And that arc was probably the closest they've ever been, besides when they first met, when Goku could still curbstomp Krillin regardless. Krillin was never really a rival to Goku.

Vegeta is a rival because he and Goku go back and forth one-upping each other. Their first fight was basically a series of constantly raising powers and overpowering each other one after the other. First Vegeta was stronger, then Goku uses Kaioken and became stronger, then Vegeta powered up and became stronger, then Goku used Kaioken x3 and became stronger, then Vegeta used Galick Gun and became stronger, then Goku used Kamehameha x4 and became stronger, then Vegeta went Oozaru and became stronger, they just kept going back and forth. Throughout the Namek arc, they both received several boosts, and although Goku ended the arc much stronger, there were indeed several points where Vegeta was stronger. Same thing against the androids. There were multiple points where Vegeta was stronger, only for Goku to end the arc as stronger. All of this back and forth culminated in their Majin fight, where they had finally evened out and ended up as dead equals. SSJ3 was a retcon. At the time, their Majin fight was supposed to be their ultimate powers, as strong as both of them would ever become.

And nowadays they're back to going back and forth again.

That's a rivalry. Goku being 10 times stronger than Krillin every time they met wasn't a rivalry. Additionally, while Goku pushed Krillin to get stronger, Krillin never did the same for Goku. That's more like idolization, not a rivalry. On the flip side, it was Vegeta who pushed Goku to train under 100 times gravity, and Vegeta who motivated Goku to find a level surpassing Super Saiyan in the ROSAT (Goku had three years to try that after Trunks warned them of the androids; didn't happen. Vegeta shows up as a Super Saiyan and is slightly stronger than Goku, all the sudden Goku's like "yeah Super Saiyan is pretty cool but I bet I can find something even better.") Neither of them were motivational factors for each other after Goku died, but nowadays, they're back to motivating each other.

That's an almost perfect rivalry from start to finish.

[WobbuSleuth]

I think it's because Kurilin was more likable and relatable as character. Kurilin is a human. Not just human, but nothing more then weakling in the beginning. He is not Saiyan with the natural talent for martial arts, but he managed to keep up with Goku until some point. Unlike Vegeta Kurilin wasn't whiny or annoying during their rivalry.
His battle with Goku in 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai is the best example of what I talking about.

Which of those qualities makes him a better rival? He's not as strong or as driven to be better than Goku. To be a rival, you need to be in someone's league, which Kuririn was for about a cup of coffee. Even in their fight at the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai, Goku held back A LOT!

It's heavily implied against Tenshinhan that Goku could have killed Krillin with one punch, and when Tambourine came around and did exactly that, only for Goku to easily brutalize Tambourine, it was proven true. And that arc was probably the closest they've ever been, besides when they first met, when Goku could still curbstomp Krillin regardless. Krillin was never really a rival to Goku.

Vegeta is a rival because he and Goku go back and forth one-upping each other. Their first fight was basically a series of constantly raising powers and overpowering each other one after the other. First Vegeta was stronger, then Goku uses Kaioken and became stronger, then Vegeta powered up and became stronger, then Goku used Kaioken x3 and became stronger, then Vegeta used Galick Gun and became stronger, then Goku used Kamehameha x4 and became stronger, then Vegeta went Oozaru and became stronger, they just kept going back and forth. Throughout the Namek arc, they both received several boosts, and although Goku ended the arc much stronger, there were indeed several points where Vegeta was stronger. Same thing against the androids. There were multiple points where Vegeta was stronger, only for Goku to end the arc as stronger. All of this back and forth culminated in their Majin fight, where they had finally evened out and ended up as dead equals. SSJ3 was a retcon. At the time, their Majin fight was supposed to be their ultimate powers, as strong as both of them would ever become.

And nowadays they're back to going back and forth again.

That's a rivalry. Goku being 10 times stronger than Krillin every time they met wasn't a rivalry. Additionally, while Goku pushed Krillin to get stronger, Krillin never did the same for Goku. That's more like idolization, not a rivalry. On the flip side, it was Vegeta who pushed Goku to train under 100 times gravity, and Vegeta who motivated Goku to find a level surpassing Super Saiyan in the ROSAT (Goku had three years to try that after Trunks warned them of the androids; didn't happen. Vegeta shows up as a Super Saiyan and is slightly stronger than Goku, all the sudden Goku's like "yeah Super Saiyan is pretty cool but I bet I can find something even better.") Neither of them were motivational factors for each other after Goku died, but nowadays, they're back to motivating each other.

That's an almost perfect rivalry from start to finish.

I don't think that Goku considered anyone as a rival (only Tien maybe), and that Vegeta inspired him on gravity training. Goku want just to become stronger, that's it.
And yeah, Goku was excited to fight any person who seemed strong.
So, on that perspective, even Vegeta had more one-sided rivalry like Kurilin had.
I don't consider their first battle as a beginning to rivalry, because at the time Vegeta was more "villain" than "anti-hero", and Goku saw him as an enemy.

[ABED]

Whether Goku would think that, Vegeta and Goku definitely constitutes a rivalry. What is your definition of "rivalry"? Vegeta's status as a villain has nothing to do with it.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Oh shit. I always knew that Kaio/King Kai and the narrator had the same VA in Japan, but are you telling me this was intentional double-casting to make it seem like Kaio has been the one narrating to us this whole time, to imply Kaio's power and influence the second we meet him? That's badass. Kaio shot up on my favorite characters list just because of that.

I don't know if that was the intent, but that's how it came off, and it works,

[ABED]

It works, but unless it's part of the series like Jorge being the narrator of Yu Yu Hakusho, I see no reason why Kaio's American VA has to also be the narrator.

[kinisking]

I think it's because Kurilin was more likable and relatable as character. Kurilin is a human. Not just human, but nothing more then weakling in the beginning. He is not Saiyan with the natural talent for martial arts, but he managed to keep up with Goku until some point. Unlike Vegeta Kurilin wasn't whiny or annoying during their rivalry.
His battle with Goku in 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai is the best example of what I talking about.

Which of those qualities makes him a better rival? He's not as strong or as driven to be better than Goku. To be a rival, you need to be in someone's league, which Kuririn was for about a cup of coffee. Even in their fight at the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai, Goku held back A LOT!

It's heavily implied against Tenshinhan that Goku could have killed Krillin with one punch, and when Tambourine came around and did exactly that, only for Goku to easily brutalize Tambourine, it was proven true. And that arc was probably the closest they've ever been, besides when they first met, when Goku could still curbstomp Krillin regardless. Krillin was never really a rival to Goku.

Vegeta is a rival because he and Goku go back and forth one-upping each other. Their first fight was basically a series of constantly raising powers and overpowering each other one after the other. First Vegeta was stronger, then Goku uses Kaioken and became stronger, then Vegeta powered up and became stronger, then Goku used Kaioken x3 and became stronger, then Vegeta used Galick Gun and became stronger, then Goku used Kamehameha x4 and became stronger, then Vegeta went Oozaru and became stronger, they just kept going back and forth. Throughout the Namek arc, they both received several boosts, and although Goku ended the arc much stronger, there were indeed several points where Vegeta was stronger. Same thing against the androids. There were multiple points where Vegeta was stronger, only for Goku to end the arc as stronger. All of this back and forth culminated in their Majin fight, where they had finally evened out and ended up as dead equals. SSJ3 was a retcon. At the time, their Majin fight was supposed to be their ultimate powers, as strong as both of them would ever become.

And nowadays they're back to going back and forth again.

That's a rivalry. Goku being 10 times stronger than Krillin every time they met wasn't a rivalry. Additionally, while Goku pushed Krillin to get stronger, Krillin never did the same for Goku. That's more like idolization, not a rivalry. On the flip side, it was Vegeta who pushed Goku to train under 100 times gravity, and Vegeta who motivated Goku to find a level surpassing Super Saiyan in the ROSAT (Goku had three years to try that after Trunks warned them of the androids; didn't happen. Vegeta shows up as a Super Saiyan and is slightly stronger than Goku, all the sudden Goku's like "yeah Super Saiyan is pretty cool but I bet I can find something even better.") Neither of them were motivational factors for each other after Goku died, but nowadays, they're back to motivating each other.

That's an almost perfect rivalry from start to finish.

Vegeta was hardly a rival until Super anyways. Goku was leagues ahead of him by the end of the Freeza arc, cell arc and boo arc.

[ABED]

Vegeta was hardly a rival until Super anyways. Goku was leagues ahead of him by the end of the Freeza arc, cell arc and boo arc.

It's not unfair, but it does switch back and forth over time and both push each other (I'm not implying they encouraged each other) to be better.

[Kanassa]

I liked DBE, please don't lynch me.

I'm not putting down my rope.

[RisanF]

Since we're on the subject, I'd honestly just like to say that I've always thought that Goku was the best in his parental duties in the Saiyan and Namek/Freeza arcs.

Yeah, but is that really an unpopular opinion? I mean, the first thing we got in Z was Goku doting over his kid, and it's Cell saga where the series really settled on the "Goku the fighting maniac" characterization.

Fights in Dragon Ball Z became a rather lackluster after (and maybe during) Freeza saga. Mainly because almost every non_Saiyan character become useless, and instead of martial arts we have a ki-blast battles. Battles during Cell Saga are particularly jarring, because most of them painfully one-sided. In Cell and Buu sagas I don't remember any clever strategies, any new creative techniques... At they best, they're well animated. At they worst, they're really boring.

It doesn't mean, that Buu and Cell sagas don't have any good battles. We have some exceptions, #16 vs Cell, for example. But, it's a shame, that majority of battles are dull.

It also feels like the fighting style of characters had changed at that point, too. Less stylized martial arts maneuvers, and more brute-force pounding away, like Superman does in his battles. Watch something like Dead Zone, and observe the deft, pinpoint attacks and acrobatic maneuvers Goku does. Cela Saga, on the other hand, has a lot more floating around punching things.

There should be more platfotmers/action-adventures/jrpgs games than these endless fightings. :\
Potentinal literally limitless!
Also, I wish that more games had an original plot than ANOTHER retelling of DB or DBZ. (Or not trivial retelling, like in "Attack of Saiyans".)

I'd take something like Dragon Ball Z Sagas, but with more effort put into it. Or heck, a Dynasty Warriors spinoff!

How 'bout a Devil May Cry-style game where you're Future Trunks and can travel around and buy new swords 'n stuff. heck, throw Future Mai in there as well, and give her a bunch of guns! Future Trunks/Mai game, anyone?

[coola]

For me, Raditz power level is 1200, not 1500, like it was written in Daizenshuu, Nappa said, that Saibaman power (1200) is equal to Raditz. Plus, Raditz wouldn't be so weakened by Gohan attack (1307) if he was 1500.

[Bansho64]

Yeah, but is that really an unpopular opinion? I mean, the first thing we got in Z was Goku doting over his kid, and it's Cell saga where the series really settled on the "Goku the fighting maniac"

I rarely ever hear anyone mention the early days where he actually seemed to have an "ok" thing going on parental wise. It's mostly stuff about him meeting Goten and filler from him hanging out with Gohan in the RoSAT.

I was also mainly making that point not necessarily as an unpopular opinion, but just stating my thoughts in reference to the convo that the users above were having about. Mainly because I wanted to offer my thoughts on the subject.

[RisanF]

Yeah, but is that really an unpopular opinion? I mean, the first thing we got in Z was Goku doting over his kid, and it's Cell saga where the series really settled on the "Goku the fighting maniac"

I rarely ever hear anyone mention the early days where he actually seemed to have an "ok" thing going on parental wise. It's mostly stuff about him meeting Goten and filler from him hanging out with Gohan in the RoSAT.

I was also mainly making that point not necessarily as an unpopular opinion, but just stating my thoughts in reference to the convo that the users above were having about. Mainly because I wanted to offer my thoughts on the subject.

I think the reason Goten/RoSAT is mentioned a lot is because, as fans, we kind of have to grasp at straws to find anything about Goku's character outside of being a fighter. Actually, I think some defenses of Goku are actually harsher on him than the criticisms. Like, someone says Goku doesn't show enough love to his family, and the answer is something like: "he's a Saiyan, and Saiyan's don't care about family." The defense of Goku actually agrees with the accusations.

I also think some of the filler improves the overall characterization and experience of Dragon Ball. I like a lot of the extra Snake Way stuff, and the extra bits with Gohan training.