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Re: Dragon Ball Z "Seasons" On Blu-ray: News & Discussion

Post by SaiyamanMS » Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:00 am

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So, the 3 biggest problems are what make it perfect for you?
I fail to see how a secondary optional score is a problem? The Kikuchi track is there, I'm assuming as the default option, why not have a second English score as an extra if it exists?

16:9 is definitely a terrible idea though. Can we have the Level sets back please?

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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:34 am

I don't see anything wrong with that Goku shot? And I didn't on my TV.
If this isn't the "intended version" of Z then why did Toei allow FUNi to produce these?
So, the 3 biggest problems are what make it perfect for you?
In your opinion they're problems not to me. Which is why I sold Kai. The AR and music didn't do it for me.

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Post by Gonstead » Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:12 am

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:If this isn't the "intended version" of Z then why did Toei allow FUNi to produce these?
Because in the end, they really don't give a shit what some company in another country does with their material. If it sells for them, good for them. Of not, too bad for them.

Its still no excuse for altering it from the original, even if it does sell. It was drawn, framed and shown in 4:3. It was NEVER intended to be cut to 16:9 for any purpose at all.

Just because we are now living in the age of 16:9 TV, it does not mean or give people reason to start altering any past material just so it can fit that extra inch or two of black bars on the sides. If you want it so bad, you have your TV remote for that.
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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:07 am

Just because we are now living in the age of 16:9 TV, it does not mean or give people reason to start altering any past material just so it can fit that extra inch or two of black bars on the sides. If you want it so bad, you have your TV remote for that.
The whole TV remote can zoom in on BD's is a myth all 3 of my TV's couldn't zoom in on Kai. I understand (too some degree) why you folks are pissed but I don't share that same attitude, I want what I want, like how you want what you want.

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Baggie_Saiyan wrote: The whole TV remote can zoom in on BD's is a myth
Say what? My TV remote literally does it with one push of a button.

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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:11 am

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Baggie_Saiyan wrote: The whole TV remote can zoom in on BD's is a myth
Say what? My TV remote literally does it with one push of a button.
Really? On DVD's or BD's? I've tried pressing zoom on 3 differnent remotes and nothing happens. Maybe because I'm using a games console as a BD player?

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Post by SupremeSSJ » Wed Jun 25, 2014 10:31 am

Everyday I hear people argue about DBZ and I hate it, This release to me from what I seen so far are pretty ugly. Funi just created more problems none of that cropped mess should not have been an option in the first place, did we see it like that on tv NO so why now? Funi just needs to stop messing with peoples emotion we really do care.

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Post by samuraix123 » Wed Jun 25, 2014 10:40 am

I hate cropping as well and wished we would have gotten the level sets finished but also I'm not going to be whining that this release is cropped. Isn't the Boo saga of Kai cropped down like the orange bricks? I'll be buying that whenever it gets released as well. Just because it's Toei does that make it okay for them to crop the show?
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Post by VegettoEX » Wed Jun 25, 2014 10:45 am

samuraix123 wrote:Just because it's Toei does that make it okay for them to crop the show?
Depends on who you ask. I've been very vocal about how inconsistent, illogical, and insulting it is and is in no way excused just because they're the rights holder.
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Post by SupremeSSJ » Wed Jun 25, 2014 10:48 am

samuraix123 wrote:I hate cropping as well and wished we would have gotten the level sets finished but also I'm not going to be whining that this release is cropped. Isn't the Boo saga of Kai cropped down like the orange bricks? I'll be buying that whenever it gets released as well. Just because it's Toei does that make it okay for them to crop the show?
well kai is an exception because 9/10 it was done properly. I havn't seen the later arcs yet for the new Blu-ray's, they might just be ok if Funi didn't mess the process up purposely.

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Post by samuraix123 » Wed Jun 25, 2014 10:58 am

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samuraix123 wrote:Just because it's Toei does that make it okay for them to crop the show?
Depends on who you ask. I've been very vocal about how inconsistent, illogical, and insulting it is and is in no way excused just because they're the rights holder.
Well that's good. We can agree on something. :)
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samuraix123 wrote:I hate cropping as well and wished we would have gotten the level sets finished but also I'm not going to be whining that this release is cropped. Isn't the Boo saga of Kai cropped down like the orange bricks? I'll be buying that whenever it gets released as well. Just because it's Toei does that make it okay for them to crop the show?
well kai is an exception because 9/10 it was done properly. I havn't seen the later arcs yet for the new Blu-ray's, they might just be ok if Funi didn't mess the process up purposely.
Why is Kai an exception? It's the same exact show Z is except it has Kai slapped on the end of it and they just cut out filler? :P I'm not attacking you btw. just trying to make sense why it's acceptable for Toei to do this but Funimation is an awful and evil company. But I mean, you said it's 9/10 done properly right? so that means the orange bricks were cropped well because I believe I remember seeing a comparison that they were cropped exactly the same.
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Post by Ajay » Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:18 pm

samuraix123 wrote:Why is Kai an exception?
Because Kai was cropped on TV due to channel requirements and not due to them wanting to butcher the show to appease a moronic group of fans. It was also uncropped on home release so it wasn't a big deal. Also, it's done incredibly well - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC0ZX0ABQkI - Just look how much that changes and how much care is put into it.

The Season Set crop is mostly okay but if you take a look at the more strenuous action scenes where there's a heck of a lot of cuts, the difference in care is very clear.

TOEI don't get a pass because they're TOEI. Look at the reaction to the Boo Kai home release being cropped. We're still mad.

Side note: Neither are cropped 'like the Orange Bricks' as they're just a center crop.
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Post by Freeza Soldier #156 » Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:57 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
Freeza Soldier #156 wrote:
Baggie_Saiyan wrote: The whole TV remote can zoom in on BD's is a myth
Say what? My TV remote literally does it with one push of a button.
Really? On DVD's or BD's? I've tried pressing zoom on 3 differnent remotes and nothing happens. Maybe because I'm using a games console as a BD player?
Yes. It works on everything: TV, DVD, BD. I use my PS3 as my DVD/BD player so it doesn't make a difference.

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Post by Kojiro Sasaki » Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:59 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:16x9.
Due to the fact that the show was shot in 1.37:1 and it was composed to be seen in 1.33:1 (4:3), 16:9 becomes a serious flaw. I’m really bored with saying the same thing all over again, so I will put it that way: I also strongly prefer 16:9 over 4:3. I would LOVE to see Dragon Ball (and Z) in 16:9 without any picture loss nor shots decomposition, but I’m educated enough to understand that this is impossible and I’m grown enough to accept it.
Decision to crop the show was business - it had nothing to do with “artistic vision”.

By the way, a couple of days ago, my friend managed to contact one of the original animators who worked on Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Movie 3, Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball Z Movies 1 and 2 (In-Between Animation, Key Animation, Episode Director, Assistant Episode Director). IIRC, he said something around that: “As an audience member and animator, I would rather see the show in it’s intended format.”. Even if I wouldn’t have my own brain, opinion of a person who actually draw the show always means more than opinion of the majority of people who have no idea how classic animation shows are produced. Learn from the masters, not from the masses.
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:No Grain.
Judging by the nature of the source material and extremely cheap method of grain filtering - it becomes another serious flaw. This was also discussed before and the situation looks the same as above.

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I’m not planning on starting any kind of war, but if you’d let me express my opinion: With all due respect, His Excellency Bruce Faulconer has nothing to do with the original Dragon Ball Z TV series, so having FUNimation's music it's not an argument to me.
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The main thing about this is that the artwork should fully represent the content. As you know, completely different drawing style, techniques and hardware was used to create this artwork. It makes it “not original” and thus worthless to me. That's how Dragon Ball artwork should look:
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If you talk about things like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaV73BsNSbE
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Baggie_Saiyan wrote:There is also no way to prove these folks are 'ignorant'. I believe it's just a pathetic excuse 'purists' use to justify how well these are selling.
There is a way. It's called “basic logic”. Some things people say are just opinions, based mostly on their tastes, but some of things they say are facts based on what's written in the books. Do not mistake “opinion” with a “common rule”. Calling others with names is just a pathetic excuse to justify lack of interest in getting deeper understanding of things that are discussed here.

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Post by samuraix123 » Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:26 pm

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samuraix123 wrote:Why is Kai an exception?
Because Kai was cropped on TV due to channel requirements and not due to them wanting to butcher the show to appease a moronic group of fans. It was also uncropped on home release so it wasn't a big deal. Also, it's done incredibly well - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC0ZX0ABQkI - Just look how much that changes and how much care is put into it.

The Season Set crop is mostly okay but if you take a look at the more strenuous action scenes where there's a heck of a lot of cuts, the difference in care is very clear.

TOEI don't get a pass because they're TOEI. Look at the reaction to the Boo Kai home release being cropped. We're still mad.

Side note: Neither are cropped 'like the Orange Bricks' as they're just a center crop.
''a moronic group of fans'' What do mean here? Because I like the dub of Dragonball that makes me moronic?
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Post by Ajay » Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:30 pm

samuraix123 wrote:''a moronic group of fans'' What do mean here? Because I like the dub of Dragonball that makes me moronic?
No, I was referring to those who prefer Dragon Ball cropped to 16:9.
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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:35 pm

AjayLikesGaming wrote:
samuraix123 wrote:''a moronic group of fans'' What do mean here? Because I like the dub of Dragonball that makes me moronic?
No, I was referring to those who prefer Dragon Ball cropped to 16:9.
Guess that's me then. I'd happily be called a moron if it means these sets are 16x9. :thumbup:

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AjayLikesGaming wrote:
samuraix123 wrote:''a moronic group of fans'' What do mean here? Because I like the dub of Dragonball that makes me moronic?
No, I was referring to those who prefer Dragon Ball cropped to 16:9.
I wouldn't call them really moronic though? it's just a personal preference. it's not like Dragonball is a God and if anything is tampered with it then it's hell fire and brimstone :P Even though! I do agree that I wished it was kept in its original 4x3.
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Post by Gaffer Tape » Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:52 pm

samuraix123 wrote:Just because it's Toei does that make it okay for them to crop the show?
No, it's okay because Kai is an entirely different show from Z. It's not claiming to be Z. It's not being sold as Z. It's not replacing Z. So for this new product, they can do whatever they want with it. And if it's crap, at least it stands alone as crap. FUNimation is doing all of this crap and actually trying to pass it off as Z.
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