"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

Discussion specifically regarding the "Dragon Ball Super" TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode.
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Post by Draconic » Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:39 am

Bullza wrote:
Draconic wrote:
Bullza wrote:So does that mean Goku will finally surpass Beerus?

Now I see why it was brought up again in the manga.
Whis too, since even him isn't there yet.
I think Whis did master it.
Remember in RoF when he steps in poo while explaining the technique to Goku and Vegeta? He hand waves it as his body moving on his own, but his shoes not being able to. This pretty much implies even he hasn't mastered it.
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Post by HeroR » Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:39 am

VejituhTheWarriorGuy wrote:So, basically Goku has Observation Haki now
Observation Haki isn't so much moving without thinking as it is predicting your opponent.
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precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.

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Post by VejituhTheWarriorGuy » Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:43 am

HeroR wrote:
VejituhTheWarriorGuy wrote:So, basically Goku has Observation Haki now
Observation Haki isn't so much moving without thinking as it is predicting your opponent.
Then Goku's body kind of has it :lol:
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Post by TheMikado » Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:55 am

Lord Frieza wrote:
Bullza wrote:So does that mean Goku will finally surpass Beerus?

Now I see why it was brought up again in the manga.
In terms of skill, I'd say power is still questionable.
I like the idea that Goku is actually more skilled fighter than Beerus rather than it being a straight up power thing.
What I don't want to see is this ability magically giving him the power to KO Beerus in one hit or fire off equivalent ki blast...

Keep the power gap small which Beerus having an edge but let Goku have far superior mastery and skill to compensate so he can at least dodge attacks.

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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:58 am

Dragon Ball Super - GOKU VS JIREN - Pre-Fight Event Promo

Should be a fun couple of hours to kill as the time winds down to the special and will stop the temptation of spoiling oneself with the unsubbed livesteam.

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Post by Kinokima » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:02 am

TheMikado wrote:
Lord Frieza wrote:
Bullza wrote:So does that mean Goku will finally surpass Beerus?

Now I see why it was brought up again in the manga.
In terms of skill, I'd say power is still questionable.
I like the idea that Goku is actually more skilled fighter than Beerus rather than it being a straight up power thing.
What I don't want to see is this ability magically giving him the power to KO Beerus in one hit or fire off equivalent ki blast...

Keep the power gap small which Beerus having an edge but let Goku have far superior mastery and skill to compensate so he can at least dodge attacks.

Yeah I really don't like the idea of Goku already surpassing Beerus. If that's true I think they are moving a wee bit fast.

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Post by Simere » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:21 am

Beerus's nebulous level of strength is holding back this show; sooner he's surpassed the better.
TheMikado wrote:Keep the power gap small which Beerus having an edge but let Goku have far superior mastery and skill to compensate so he can at least dodge attacks.
Shouldn't the far superior skill far outweigh a small power gap?

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Post by Chuquita » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:24 am

New skill sounds wacky in a fun way. Looking forward to it.
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Post by SansrivaaL » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:26 am

I cant wait for Beerus' reaction after watching Goku surpass him in something he has yet to master, that has got to be one huge smack to his face, he who has lived for eons couldnt master that technique then a mortal who's lived like baby years to him suddenly reaches such level, the salt will be amazing :lol: and its about damn time too, this'll be sweeter if it happens in the manga, dude got pissed when oracle fish told him Goku and Vegeta will be a rival worthy of him.
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Post by HeroR » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:26 am

Simere wrote:Beerus's nebulous level of strength is holding back this show; sooner he's surpassed the better.
TheMikado wrote:Keep the power gap small which Beerus having an edge but let Goku have far superior mastery and skill to compensate so he can at least dodge attacks.
Shouldn't the far superior skill far outweigh a small power gap?
The main problem are fans acting butt hurt at the very idea at Goku even being closed to Beerus.
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precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.

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Post by GodVegetto91 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:29 am

Guys.. I am the happiest fanboy alive right now!!!
This is EVERYTHING i ever wanted!
The combination of a God Form that heavily resembles his Base Form, AND the ability to move without thinking for Goku!
Not only that, but it seems Goku will NOT drop out of the ring, and to top it off, it doesn't seem Genki Dama related either!
I think i'm going to drink a beer tonight to celebrate my dream that came true!

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Post by HeroR » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:32 am

GodVegetto91 wrote:Guys.. I am the happiest fanboy alive right now!!!
This is EVERYTHING i ever wanted!
The combination of a God Form that heavily resembles his Base Form, AND the ability to move without thinking for Goku!
Not only that, but it seems Goku will NOT drop out of the ring, and to top it off, it doesn't seem Genki Dama related either!
I think i'm going to drink a beer tonight to celebrate my dream that came true!
Who says it's a god form?
Kanassa wrote:
precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.

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Post by MrBlackFox » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:35 am

Guys, do someone know what is the European airing time for the special? I remember reading something about an early airing ( I live in Italy and here Saturday episodes go on live at 2:00 am)

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Post by TheMikado » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:36 am

Kinokima wrote:
TheMikado wrote:
Lord Frieza wrote:
In terms of skill, I'd say power is still questionable.
I like the idea that Goku is actually more skilled fighter than Beerus rather than it being a straight up power thing.
What I don't want to see is this ability magically giving him the power to KO Beerus in one hit or fire off equivalent ki blast...

Keep the power gap small which Beerus having an edge but let Goku have far superior mastery and skill to compensate so he can at least dodge attacks.

Yeah I really don't like the idea of Goku already surpassing Beerus. If that's true I think they are moving a wee bit fast.
No they aren't surpassing Beerus fast enough especially when Rageta made Beerus use 10% of Beerus power...
The longer this goes on the more apparent no one gave two $h*ts at all about the show, planning, or putting together a consistent and coherent story.
We have SSBxKKx20 about to go up against a mortal and LOSE. Yet we're supposed to believe SSG was such hot $h*t to Beerus that he literally lost sleep over it, but Rageta still somehow made him use 10% of his power.
The sooner this moving Beerus goal post is overtaken the better.
HeroR wrote:
Simere wrote:Beerus's nebulous level of strength is holding back this show; sooner he's surpassed the better.
TheMikado wrote:Keep the power gap small which Beerus having an edge but let Goku have far superior mastery and skill to compensate so he can at least dodge attacks.
Shouldn't the far superior skill far outweigh a small power gap?
The main problem are fans acting butt hurt at the very idea at Goku even being closed to Beerus.


I think the skill definitely would out weigh it, but I also don't want a brute strength match up either that doesn't make sense because he has some random ability.
i.e. Roshi using the demon containment wave on a much more powerful enemy makes sense because he is old, wise, and skilled.
Roshi, half dead after using a technique which severally drains his life form to the point of dying, manages to use it multiple times in succession, nearly dies, but as an old man, still manages to recover after a few moments even in the midst of a 48 minute battle royal, and so much so that he is able to physically take on an opponent who should be FAAARRR stronger and not get completely decimated. No amount of wisdom and skill should be able to close a gap like that.

Basically "skill" has to be properly implemented and not used as a throw away to explain every single nonsensical scenario the way that "power" is currently use. We already have one throwaway BS concept to explain everything. We don't need another.

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Post by sintzu » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:38 am

GodVegetto91 wrote:The combination of a God Form that heavily resembles his Base Form,

The ability to move without thinking for Goku!

It doesn't seem Genki Dama related either!
So is it really a "new" form or is it just him being able to do that in his base form ? meaning he could do it better in Blue ?

We knew he and Vegeta would eventually be able to do this so what surprises me is how soon Goku's doing it. I thought we'd have to wait a few arcs more.

Thank god for that, I was afraid they'd do what they did in M7 again.
Legion wrote:Wait, now Goku can use this ability....just because? :|
Maybe it'll seem like that at first but later it'll be shown that Whis gave him some kind of Ki to help him out.
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Post by Kinokima » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:47 am

TheMikado wrote: No they aren't surpassing Beerus fast enough especially when Rageta made Beerus use 10% of Beerus power...
The longer this goes on the more apparent no one gave two $h*ts at all about the show, planning, or putting together a consistent and coherent story.
We have SSBxKKx20 about to go up against a mortal and LOSE. Yet we're supposed to believe SSG was such hot $h*t to Beerus that he literally lost sleep over it, but Rageta still somehow made him use 10% of his power.
The sooner this moving Beerus goal post is overtaken the better.

If Beerus was at full power he could still beat SSG. He was just excited to use some of his power. So no I don't think Goku should already be surpassing Beerus. There comes a point when the characters are already way to powerful then what?

Of course unfortunately we already crossed that bridge a long time ago that is why power levels are so inconsistent now and why in truth I could care less about them or who is stronger than who any more. There is no emotion or meaning behind it any more. I would just like the characters to struggle a bit more.
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Post by Nero<>Akira » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:48 am

this is even better than a standard form. it's also not simply intuition or instincts. Being able to move without thinking is being made into an actual technique. a heightened state of being. that's crazy. wonder how it'll have an effect on Goku's strength, speed, etc.
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Post by BlueBasilisk » Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:00 am

Figuring something out long before Beerus would be classic Goku.

"It took me 50 years to master this technique."

"Hey, I figured it out!"

All of his IQ points went into fighting knowledge. :lol:

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Post by GodVegetto91 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:04 am

HeroR wrote:
GodVegetto91 wrote:Guys.. I am the happiest fanboy alive right now!!!
This is EVERYTHING i ever wanted!
The combination of a God Form that heavily resembles his Base Form, AND the ability to move without thinking for Goku!
Not only that, but it seems Goku will NOT drop out of the ring, and to top it off, it doesn't seem Genki Dama related either!
I think i'm going to drink a beer tonight to celebrate my dream that came true!
Who says it's a god form?
Dude... come on.. are you for real? Have you seen his Aura? His eyes? Everything! If this is not a God Form, than i will eat my shorts!

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Post by HeroR » Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:07 am

GodVegetto91 wrote: Dude... come on.. are you for real? Have you seen his Aura? His eyes? Everything! If this is not a God Form, than i will eat my shorts!
An aura or look doesn't equal god ki. People thought Golden Freeza was a god form because of its aura and how it looks, but it isn't. Even the previews more or less said that the ki coming from Goku is different.
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precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.

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