"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Noah]

So does that mean Goku will finally surpass Beerus? Now I see why it was brought up again in the manga.

In terms of skill, I'd say power is still questionable.

Still questionable? What...? How the f*** this even works? Was Beerus using 0,0001% against Super Saiyan God Goku? KKx10 + SSJB still beneath him, so is KKx20 + SSJB and the new form? With all this being true it makes Super Saiyan God looks like freaking ant compared to Beerus, it doesn't make any sense why he had such motivation to fight him in the first place.

[Ziegander]

I'll be honest... Jiren is hype and Goku's new form as well...

But I'm more interest int he mortal who is stronger than a GoD out of U4 and if it is one of the bugs...

I bet they have some hax as fuck ability and maybe only Goku can beat them with this new autopilot form

I think I must have missed something. This is the second time I've seen someone virtually state as fact that the mortal stronger than a god is from Universe 4. What is giving people that impression?

Re: the new form. I do not like it. In fact... I kinda think it's stupid. Sounds campy, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever to suddenly master a technique after being severely wounded, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever for mastering a skill to grant you a power upgrade transformation. I don't like it. Oh, and so much for everyone so condescendingly and dismissively saying Goku is nowhere near surpassing Beerus. Looks like he's actually very close.

[TheMikado]

Because the higher we go with Beerus, the less sense BoGs makes.

Come on dude, this again? we know that is just a retcon, like many other things in super.

If Goku become the stronger in the universe or even angel level right now, it's not a good thing for the plot

Him surpassing Beerus doesn't mean he's as strong as an angel. Beerus hasn't been the top dog in years, so it really doesn't make sense to always have Goku behind him under some some 'where would plot go' staple.

Exactly, we know this because we live and breath this stuff, someone casually watching this isn't going to instinctual understand a retcon happened. Especially because it wasn't stated anywhere. We can't even point them back to a specific episode and say "oh, you missed this part. it explains why things changed." I don't see why it can't be both a retcon AND be incredibly poorly implemented, written, and explained. Beerus isn't a necessary yardstick anymore. The story can go other places besides having Goku live in his shadow and somehow throw every story that comes out after BoGs somehow in between Goku and Beerus in terms of power and threat level.

[TheMikado]

I'll be honest... Jiren is hype and Goku's new form as well...

But I'm more interest int he mortal who is stronger than a GoD out of U4 and if it is one of the bugs...

I bet they have some hax as fuck ability and maybe only Goku can beat them with this new autopilot form

I think I must have missed something. This is the second time I've seen someone virtually state as fact that the mortal stronger than a god is from Universe 4. What is giving people that impression?

Re: the new form. I do not like it. In fact... I kinda think it's stupid. Sounds campy, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever to suddenly master a technique after being severely wounded, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever for mastering a skill to grant you a power upgrade transformation. I don't like it. Oh, and so much for everyone so condescendingly and dismissively saying Goku is nowhere near surpassing Beerus. Looks like he's actually very close.

I love to freak out and crap on Super as much as anyone but we have to reserve judgment and see what actually happens before giving it too much crap. I'm not convinced everything is tied together and I'm still leaning to this being a pseudo form.

[HeroR]

I'll be honest... Jiren is hype and Goku's new form as well...

But I'm more interest int he mortal who is stronger than a GoD out of U4 and if it is one of the bugs...

I bet they have some hax as fuck ability and maybe only Goku can beat them with this new autopilot form

I think I must have missed something. This is the second time I've seen someone virtually state as fact that the mortal stronger than a god is from Universe 4. What is giving people that impression?

Re: the new form. I do not like it. In fact... I kinda think it's stupid. Sounds campy, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever to suddenly master a technique after being severely wounded, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever for mastering a skill to grant you a power upgrade transformation. I don't like it. Oh, and so much for everyone so condescendingly and dismissively saying Goku is nowhere near surpassing Beerus. Looks like he's actually very close.

It was never said that the transformation and the technique were the same thing.

[Big Black Sayian]

Figured Goku wouldn't be knocked out (of the ring)

He could later on. I'm going to guess that Jiren is probably going to knock out both Goku and Hit later on.

Honestly this seems very Goku is outta action now but will save the day at the end.

[Ziegander]

Well, previews have been drastically wrong a lot, too. But, to me anyway, that preview and Goku's subsequent new skill sounds like actual garbage. Honestly, when Whis talked about acting without thinking, I didn't really think Goku and Vegeta would ever truly get there, but that we'd start to see a progression of being able to dodge and react with more precision and fluidity. This preview is really boggling my mind.

However, it makes my mind go back to when Goku sparred in SSBKK with Gohan. Goku one-shots Gohan, but then Gohan, who seems to be either unconscious or 90% of the way there, throws one more punch. That seems very much like foreshadowing at this point, if this preview is to be believed.

[Jigurashi]

Figured Goku wouldn't be knocked out (of the ring)

He could later on. I'm going to guess that Jiren is probably going to knock out both Goku and Hit later on.

Honestly this seems very Goku is outta action now but will save the day at the end.

Either save the day or at least come back and give the best performance. Sounds like a Z saga or BoG saga.

[Ziegander]

I'll be honest... Jiren is hype and Goku's new form as well...

But I'm more interest int he mortal who is stronger than a GoD out of U4 and if it is one of the bugs...

I bet they have some hax as fuck ability and maybe only Goku can beat them with this new autopilot form

I think I must have missed something. This is the second time I've seen someone virtually state as fact that the mortal stronger than a god is from Universe 4. What is giving people that impression?

Re: the new form. I do not like it. In fact... I kinda think it's stupid. Sounds campy, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever to suddenly master a technique after being severely wounded, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever for mastering a skill to grant you a power upgrade transformation. I don't like it. Oh, and so much for everyone so condescendingly and dismissively saying Goku is nowhere near surpassing Beerus. Looks like he's actually very close.

It was never said that the transformation and the technique were the same thing.

The technique still doesn't sound particularly well-written, from the way that preview spells things out. I'm holding my breath a bit, because previews have been crazy wrong before and shown to basically just be theories with little in common with what actually happens in the episode, but this is the first time in a while I've read a preview and thought, "huh... that... sounds... bad."

[namekiansaiyan]

Figured Goku wouldn't be knocked out (of the ring)

He could later on. I'm going to guess that Jiren is probably going to knock out both Goku and Hit later on.

Honestly this seems very Goku is outta action now but will save the day at the end.

Goku might save the day against Jiren but not the whole tournament unless you think everyone left is going to fight Jiren while Goku is down.

[HeroR]

The technique still doesn't sound particularly well-written, from the way that preview spells things out. I'm holding my breath a bit, because previews have been crazy wrong before and shown to basically just be theories with little in common with what actually happens in the episode, but this is the first time in a while I've read a preview and thought, "huh... that... sounds... bad."

It's the same technique Whis was talking about in Resurrection 'F'.

[Big Black Sayian]

He could later on. I'm going to guess that Jiren is probably going to knock out both Goku and Hit later on.

Honestly this seems very Goku is outta action now but will save the day at the end.

Goku might save the day against Jiren but not the whole tournament unless you think everyone left is going to fight Jiren while Goku is down.

Jiren is strong. That may very well be the case.

[Kinokima]

Except it's not. Basically you are using the same argument as above. We can never believe Goku is going all out because he's lying, same as Beerus. So now when is he ever really struggling or giving his all? It's a ridiculous conundrum. Two of the strongest characters in the series cannot be trusted when they say they are giving their all so we don't know if they are playing around or being serious because it looks exactly the same and there's no IN-UNIVERSE exposition to tell us whether we should believe them this time or now.

I'm not sure why it's difficult to see how bonkers and poorly written that is. Now we are adding another ultra powerful character, who hopefully will not be subject to the same shenanigans...

Except I am not sure why that makes less sense to you than Goku actually struggling against established much weaker characters. I am not obsessed with power levels or anything but I think it is obvious Kuririn at this point in the story is no true match for Goku without being told what their exact difference in power levels are.

If it's just a sparring match and just for fun then I can believe Goku isn't really truly struggling and may not always give everything he truly has. If its a fight to the death then I think he would eventually give his all. And besides Goku is often shown to not go full out at first.

Anyways what the sparring match with Kuririn showed us that even a weaker character may have tricks up their sleeve. I thought that was the importance of that match not that these characters are somehow close in power level.

[Lord Frieza]

So does that mean Goku will finally surpass Beerus? Now I see why it was brought up again in the manga.

In terms of skill, I'd say power is still questionable.

Still questionable? What...? How the f*** this even works? Was Beerus using 0,0001% against Super Saiyan God Goku? KKx10 + SSJB still beneath him, so is KKx20 + SSJB and the new form? With all this being true it makes Super Saiyan God looks like freaking ant compared to Beerus, it doesn't make any sense why he had such motivation to fight him in the first place.

Easy enough to answer.

Until Goku ist stated to have surpassed Beerus in power or matched someone as powerful or stronger then Beerus in battle, he's not surpassed him him power. Until that happens it still questionable.

Also I though it was pretty much well understood that the so called "Battle of God" is really just Beerus screwing around because he's bored. They completely cut the 80%, 70% talk from the movie so it was pretty obveus that they wanted to increase Beeru's power form the get go. Hell in the manga (I know there not the same conitniuty but its made statments on these maters) right befor the ToP SSB Vegeta gets totally curbstomped by Beerus the moment he gets serieus. Plus SSB Vegito, who has the power boost of fusion and SSB (which elipses SSBKK10 and 20 power by a significant gap) is the only character to is ever stated in Super's entire run, both manga and anime, to even be stated to surpass Beerus. And to ad insult to injure Beerus has yet to even show his full power in either mediam which makes things even more uncertain.

[namekiansaiyan]

Honestly this seems very Goku is outta action now but will save the day at the end.

Goku might save the day against Jiren but not the whole tournament unless you think everyone left is going to fight Jiren while Goku is down.

Jiren is strong. That may very well be the case.

What about Toppo and Dyspo?

It would be a crap ending if they all gang up on Jiren.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Toshio is writing #112 correct? He tweeted sometime ago that sometimes re-reading the Manga can give inspiration and he took a pic of Buu arc where Goku needed to charge in SS3 and so Vegeta needed to distract Buu.

The partial title is "Vegeta's resolve". I'm guessing it's a similar situation here and Goku needs adjusting or charging or what have you and Vegeta tags in vs Jiren, either Hit gets knocked out or they team up.

[Lord Beerus]

In terms of skill, I'd say power is still questionable.

Still questionable? What...? How the f*** this even works? Was Beerus using 0,0001% against Super Saiyan God Goku? KKx10 + SSJB still beneath him, so is KKx20 + SSJB and the new form? With all this being true it makes Super Saiyan God looks like freaking ant compared to Beerus, it doesn't make any sense why he had such motivation to fight him in the first place.

Easy enough to answer.

Until Goku ist stated to have surpassed Beerus in power or matched someone as powerful or stronger then Beerus in battle, he's not surpassed him him power. Until that happens it still questionable.

Also I though it was pretty much well understood that the so called "Battle of God" is really just Beerus screwing around because he's bored. They completely cut the 80%, 70% talk from the movie so it was pretty obveus that they wanted to increase Beeru's power form the get go. Hell in the manga (I know there not the same conitniuty but its made statments on these maters) right befor the ToP SSB Vegeta gets totally curbstomped by Beerus the moment he gets serieus. Plus SSB Vegito, who has the power boost of fusion and SSB (which elipses SSBKK10 and 20 power by a significant gap) is the only character to is ever stated in Super's entire run, both manga and anime, to even be stated to surpass Beerus. And to ad insult to injure Beerus has yet to even show his full power in either mediam which makes things even more uncertain.

In the manga, it's implied by Kaioshin that SSJB Vegetto may be stronger than Beerus. In the anime, no comparison is made between SSJB Vegetto and Beerus in terms of strength.

Beerus' strength, in both mediums, is still a grand mystery and people should not be jumping the gun with Goku's new form and assuming it's as strong, or even stronger, than anything Beerus can dish out.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Still questionable? What...? How the f*** this even works? Was Beerus using 0,0001% against Super Saiyan God Goku? KKx10 + SSJB still beneath him, so is KKx20 + SSJB and the new form? With all this being true it makes Super Saiyan God looks like freaking ant compared to Beerus, it doesn't make any sense why he had such motivation to fight him in the first place.

Easy enough to answer.

Until Goku ist stated to have surpassed Beerus in power or matched someone as powerful or stronger then Beerus in battle, he's not surpassed him him power. Until that happens it still questionable.

Also I though it was pretty much well understood that the so called "Battle of God" is really just Beerus screwing around because he's bored. They completely cut the 80%, 70% talk from the movie so it was pretty obveus that they wanted to increase Beeru's power form the get go. Hell in the manga (I know there not the same conitniuty but its made statments on these maters) right befor the ToP SSB Vegeta gets totally curbstomped by Beerus the moment he gets serieus. Plus SSB Vegito, who has the power boost of fusion and SSB (which elipses SSBKK10 and 20 power by a significant gap) is the only character to is ever stated in Super's entire run, both manga and anime, to even be stated to surpass Beerus. And to ad insult to injure Beerus has yet to even show his full power in either mediam which makes things even more uncertain.

In the manga, it's implied by Kaioshin that SSJB Vegetto may be stronger than Beerus. In the anime, no comparison is made between SSJB Vegetto and Beerus in terms of strength.

Beerus' strength, in both mediums, is still a grand mystery and people should not be jumping the gun with Goku's new form and assuming it's as strong, or even stronger, than anything Beerus can dish out.

Lol it came from Shin of all people, the guy that didn't even know Potara existed, I wouldn't hedge my bets on anything he says.

[Lord Frieza]

Easy enough to answer.

Until Goku ist stated to have surpassed Beerus in power or matched someone as powerful or stronger then Beerus in battle, he's not surpassed him him power. Until that happens it still questionable.

Also I though it was pretty much well understood that the so called "Battle of God" is really just Beerus screwing around because he's bored. They completely cut the 80%, 70% talk from the movie so it was pretty obveus that they wanted to increase Beeru's power form the get go. Hell in the manga (I know there not the same conitniuty but its made statments on these maters) right befor the ToP SSB Vegeta gets totally curbstomped by Beerus the moment he gets serieus. Plus SSB Vegito, who has the power boost of fusion and SSB (which elipses SSBKK10 and 20 power by a significant gap) is the only character to is ever stated in Super's entire run, both manga and anime, to even be stated to surpass Beerus. And to ad insult to injure Beerus has yet to even show his full power in either mediam which makes things even more uncertain.

In the manga, it's implied by Kaioshin that SSJB Vegetto may be stronger than Beerus. In the anime, no comparison is made between SSJB Vegetto and Beerus in terms of strength.

Beerus' strength, in both mediums, is still a grand mystery and people should not be jumping the gun with Goku's new form and assuming it's as strong, or even stronger, than anything Beerus can dish out.

Thats pretty much my point, as , even in the manga, Beerus's full power is still unknwon. Which kind of leaves that stament feeling hollow.

Hell Beerus even states that Goku and SSG was not all the visions and propheciesmade it out to be, implying he was disapointed. Simple put while BoG was a life an death struggle for the heroes it is and always was just an amusing distraction for Beerus.

[Jigurashi]

Spoilers sound interesting enough. Goku new form, learning the move without thinking technique, his fight with Jiren will likely be my favorite fight in Super so far, then we get Hitto VS Jiren right afterwards and possibly Vegeta VS Jiren too.