"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Kinokima]

Unless you think Hit is beating Jiren then it will be Vegeta vs Jiren as it makes too much sense.

This depends on a lot of factors we have no way of knowing right now. What kind of condition Jiren is in after fighting Goku, how long Goku is out of commission from the ass kicking Jiren gives him, and whether or not anyone jumps in to help Hit when Jiren comes after him. If Vegeta fights Jiren after Hit and Jiren's not seriously hurting and exhausted, he's going to get mowed down.

I am assuming Goku is going to have a proper rematch with Jiren so I think Vegeta is doomed just like I think Hit is doomed.

I notice how you aren't predicting Piccolo is getting knocked out anytime soon.

No one is doomed.

[omaro34]

Been busy lately. Hardly have time to post anymore. Excited for Saturday, only a couple days left.

Hopefully we see the androids again, we haven't seen them in a while.

[namekiansaiyan]

This depends on a lot of factors we have no way of knowing right now. What kind of condition Jiren is in after fighting Goku, how long Goku is out of commission from the ass kicking Jiren gives him, and whether or not anyone jumps in to help Hit when Jiren comes after him. If Vegeta fights Jiren after Hit and Jiren's not seriously hurting and exhausted, he's going to get mowed down.

I am assuming Goku is going to have a proper rematch with Jiren so I think Vegeta is doomed just like I think Hit is doomed.

I notice how you aren't predicting Piccolo is getting knocked out anytime soon.

No one is doomed.

I have it fixed in my head that Piccolo and the other 2 Namekians will be there until near the end so I obviously don't think Piccolo is going out soon. It makes me enjoy the show more.

[Kinokima]

I am assuming Goku is going to have a proper rematch with Jiren so I think Vegeta is doomed just like I think Hit is doomed.

I notice how you aren't predicting Piccolo is getting knocked out anytime soon.

No one is doomed.

I have it fixed in my head that Piccolo and the other 2 Namekians will be there until near the end so I obviously don't think Piccolo is going out soon. It makes me enjoy the show more.

Exactly so I appreciate if you don't say other characters are doomed.

Every character is doomed and every character is safe until we know more. It's like Schrödinger's cat

[Miracles]

"Goku has surpassed Beerus."

No, not even close.

[GodVegetto91]

"Goku has surpassed Beerus."

No, not even close.

And you know that how?
You're making a wild assumption here.

[Miracles]

"Goku has surpassed Beerus."

No, not even close.

And you know that how?
You're making a wild assumption here.

That's my line.
Especially when Beerus was toying with Goku in a Monaka suit.

[TheOne]

"Goku has surpassed Beerus."

No, not even close.

And you know that how?
You're making a wild assumption here.

That's my line.
Especially when Beerus was toying with Goku in a Monaka suit.

To say he's making a wild assumption is just ignant. Both the anime and the manga have gone out of their way at the beginning of the arc to show how far Goku and Vegeta are behind Beerus. In the manga, a nearly on par Vegeta fought Beerus and got spanked. In the anime, Goku and Frieza crumbled at a fraction of Sidras power while Beerus just blew the take away with his breath.

Even if Goku somehow magically learns how to make his body move without thinking with a snap of a finger, it does no good if he can't keep up with Beerus or handle his raw power.

[Jigurashi]

"Goku has surpassed Beerus."

No, not even close.

And you know that how?
You're making a wild assumption here.

That's my line.
Especially when Beerus was toying with Goku in a Monaka suit.

It's true there's no evidence at the moment that Goku has surpassed Beerus in power, but mentioning a fight they had before the FT Saga compared to now isn't really a good argument to bring up.

[Miracles]

And you know that how?
You're making a wild assumption here.

That's my line.
Especially when Beerus was toying with Goku in a Monaka suit.

It's true there's no evidence at the moment that Goku has surpassed Beerus in power, but mentioning a fight they had before the FT Saga compared to now isn't really a good argument to bring up.

Beerus in a Monoka suit fighting Goku for lol's is just icing on the cake.
Golden Freeza who KO'd Blue Goku struggled with a small amount of Sidra energy.

[HeroR]

Beerus in a Monoka suit fighting Goku for lol's is just icing on the cake.
Golden Freeza who KO'd Blue Goku struggled with a small amount of Sidra energy.

He struggled, but he still controlled it and that was Blue Goku without the Kaioken. And you mentioning the Monoka suit is weird since it happened awhile ago, Goku was fighting in his base form, and he wasn't serious either. Whis stopped the fight before the planet got nuked.

So, you're not proven your point here.

To say he's making a wild assumption is just ignant. Both the anime and the manga have gone out of their way at the beginning of the arc to show how far Goku and Vegeta are behind Beerus. In the manga, a nearly on par Vegeta fought Beerus and got spanked. In the anime, Goku and Frieza crumbled at a fraction of Sidras power while Beerus just blew the take away with his breath.

Even if Goku somehow magically learns how to make his body move without thinking with a snap of a finger, it does no good if he can't keep up with Beerus or handle his raw power.

Golden Freeza struggled, but he didn't crumbled and Goku was in his base form, so this is a odd thing to bring up.

The fact is, there is no evidence saying where Goku stands next to Beerus other than fan using their bias to wanked either Goku and Beerus.

[Jigurashi]

That's my line.
Especially when Beerus was toying with Goku in a Monaka suit.

It's true there's no evidence at the moment that Goku has surpassed Beerus in power, but mentioning a fight they had before the FT Saga compared to now isn't really a good argument to bring up.

Beerus in a Monoka suit fighting Goku for lol's is just icing on the cake.
Golden Freeza who KO'd Blue Goku struggled with a small amount of Sidra energy.

Yeah, except Base Goku pre-FT Saga fought that Beerus, and a Base Goku also was able to endure the destruction energy without dying. Like I said, there isn't really a good argument for Goku currently surpassing Beerus, but you haven't really been providing a good argument for the contrary at the moment.

[Miracles]

Beerus in a Monoka suit fighting Goku for lol's is just icing on the cake.
Golden Freeza who KO'd Blue Goku struggled with a small amount of Sidra energy.

He struggled, but he still controlled it and that was Blue Goku without the Kaioken. And you mentioning the Monoka suit is weird since it happened awhile ago, Goku was fighting in his base form, and he wasn't serious either. Whis stopped the fight before the planet got nuked.

So, you're not proven your point here.

The burden of proof is on those assuming Goku has surpassed Beerus. Especially when that was just a "little" of Sidra's energy. Golden Freeza struggled and Kaioken Blue Goku wouldn't have made much of a difference since it was just a "little" of god's energy. Beerus was holding back PLUS the Monaka suit he was suppressed by and still was beating Goku up whilst laughing. There have been no indication that Goku was even close to Beerus. It's ridiculous.

Yeah, except Base Goku pre-FT Saga fought that Beerus, [ba]nd a Base Goku also was able to endure the destruction energy without dying.[/b] Like I said, there isn't really a good argument for Goku currently surpassing Beerus, but you haven't really been providing a good argument for the contrary at the moment.

It was only a "little" of God's energy and Freeza who is on par with Blue Goku was exhausted from handling that small amount of power.
That alone tells you that the gap is still there.

[HeroR]

The burden of proof is on those assuming Goku has surpassed Beerus. Especially when that was just a "little" of Sidra's energy. Golden Freeza struggled and Kaioken Blue Goku wouldn't have made much of a difference since it was just a "little" of god's energy. Beerus was holding back PLUS the Monaka suit he was suppressed by and still was beating Goku up whilst laughing. There have been no indication that Goku was even close to Beerus. It's ridiculous.

Goku may not have surpassed Beerus, but you're the one pushing that Goku isn't anywhere near Beerus based on very little evidence. And how do you know that Kaioken Blue Goku wouldn't have made much of a difference, especially since even a basic Kaioken double Goku's power. We also don't have a measure for 'a little'. Was it 30% of Sidra's power, 20%, 1%? We have no measurement.

And Goku was holding back too in his base form and he was laughing along with Beerus during the fight. So again, what are you're trying to prove?

[TheOne]

Beerus in a Monoka suit fighting Goku for lol's is just icing on the cake.
Golden Freeza who KO'd Blue Goku struggled with a small amount of Sidra energy.

He struggled, but he still controlled it and that was Blue Goku without the Kaioken. And you mentioning the Monoka suit is weird since it happened awhile ago, Goku was fighting in his base form, and he wasn't serious either. Whis stopped the fight before the planet got nuked.

So, you're not proven your point here.

To say he's making a wild assumption is just ignant. Both the anime and the manga have gone out of their way at the beginning of the arc to show how far Goku and Vegeta are behind Beerus. In the manga, a nearly on par Vegeta fought Beerus and got spanked. In the anime, Goku and Frieza crumbled at a fraction of Sidras power while Beerus just blew the take away with his breath.

Even if Goku somehow magically learns how to make his body move without thinking with a snap of a finger, it does no good if he can't keep up with Beerus or handle his raw power.

Golden Freeza struggled, but he didn't crumbled and Goku was in his base form, so this is a odd thing to bring up.

The fact is, there is no evidence saying where Goku stands next to Beerus other than fan using their bias to wanked either Goku and Beerus.

Do you honestly think if Goku had SSBKK that he'd be able to use his breath to divert the attack? Get real. This was only a fraction of Sidras power of what he thought he needed. Obviously he underestimated Frieza. I have no bias dealing with Goku or Beerus. If anything I'm a Vegeta fan.

You really think they'll have Goku and Vegeta far behind Beerus in the manga while the anime has Goku close to Beerus? That's just stupid. There's no way they can be THAT different from each other.

[Miracles]

Goku may not have surpassed Beerus, but you're the one pushing that Goku isn't anywhere near Beerus based on very little evidence. And how do you know that Kaioken Blue Goku wouldn't have made much of a difference, especially since even a basic Kaioken double Goku's power. We also don't have a measure for 'a little'. Was it 30% of Sidra's power, 20%, 1%? We have no measurement.

And Goku was holding back too in his base form and he was laughing along with Beerus during the fight. So again, what are you're trying to prove?

That Goku hasn't surpassed Beerus. And your bold admits to such.

[HeroR]

Goku may not have surpassed Beerus, but you're the one pushing that Goku isn't anywhere near Beerus based on very little evidence. And how do you know that Kaioken Blue Goku wouldn't have made much of a difference, especially since even a basic Kaioken double Goku's power. We also don't have a measure for 'a little'. Was it 30% of Sidra's power, 20%, 1%? We have no measurement.

And Goku was holding back too in his base form and he was laughing along with Beerus during the fight. So again, what are you're trying to prove?

That Beerus hasn't surpassed Goku. And your bold admits to such.

I obviously meant Goku may not have surpassed Beerus.

Beerus in a Monoka suit fighting Goku for lol's is just icing on the cake.
Golden Freeza who KO'd Blue Goku struggled with a small amount of Sidra energy.

He struggled, but he still controlled it and that was Blue Goku without the Kaioken. And you mentioning the Monoka suit is weird since it happened awhile ago, Goku was fighting in his base form, and he wasn't serious either. Whis stopped the fight before the planet got nuked.

So, you're not proven your point here.

Do you honestly think if Goku had SSBKK that he'd be able to use his breath to divert the attack? Get real. This was only a fraction of Sidras power of what he thought he needed. Obviously he underestimated Frieza. I have no bias dealing with Goku or Beerus. If anything I'm a Vegeta fan.

You really think they'll have Goku and Vegeta far behind Beerus in the manga while the anime has Goku close to Beerus? That's just stupid. There's no way they can be THAT different from each other.

In Dragon Ball, it doesn't take much of a power different to be a stomp. Vegeta was only 1.3% higher than Cui and he utterly outmatched him. In other words, Goku could be as closed as 70% of Beerus' power using the Kaioken and Beerus would utterly smash Goku.

Again, fraction of Sidras power means nothing since what is the fraction here? Was it 30%, 20%, 1%, 0.0001%, we have nothing other than the vague 'a little'.

There is a bias even if you're not a fan since you're pushing Beerus' strength using vague statements. And the manga and the anime don't used the same scaling. Merged Zamasu in the anime was able to fight on par with Vegetto Blue, while Merged Zamasu in the manga got utterly stomped by Vegetto Blue. So why should I take a feat from manga Beerus and put it in the anime?

[TheOne]

Goku may not have surpassed Beerus, but you're the one pushing that Goku isn't anywhere near Beerus based on very little evidence. And how do you know that Kaioken Blue Goku wouldn't have made much of a difference, especially since even a basic Kaioken double Goku's power. We also don't have a measure for 'a little'. Was it 30% of Sidra's power, 20%, 1%? We have no measurement.

And Goku was holding back too in his base form and he was laughing along with Beerus during the fight. So again, what are you're trying to prove?

That Goku hasn't surpassed Beerus. And your bold admits to such.

Don't bother with HeroR. Hes not somebody you'd enjoy getting in a debate with.

[Miracles]

Goku may not have surpassed Beerus, but you're the one pushing that Goku isn't anywhere near Beerus based on very little evidence. And how do you know that Kaioken Blue Goku wouldn't have made much of a difference, especially since even a basic Kaioken double Goku's power. We also don't have a measure for 'a little'. Was it 30% of Sidra's power, 20%, 1%? We have no measurement.

And Goku was holding back too in his base form and he was laughing along with Beerus during the fight. So again, what are you're trying to prove?

That Beerus hasn't surpassed Goku. And your bold admits to such.

I obviously met Goku may not have surpassed Beerus.

There is no "may" about it. Learning "moving without thinking" doesn't mean you are stronger than someone.

[HeroR]

There is no "may" about it. Learning "moving without thinking" doesn't mean you are stronger than someone.

Did I ever say that "moving without thinking" would make Goku stronger than Beerus? If Goku does becomes stronger than Beerus, it will be from his new form, which is why I said that Goku 'may' not have surpassed Beerus since we don't know a thing about Goku's new form or even how Kaioken x20 stacks up to Beerus. If Goku is only a little weaker than Beerus, but can used the whole "moving without thinking" better than Beerus, then chances are Goku could possibly beat Beerus in a fight. If you want to count that as 'surpassing Beerus', that is certainly possible.