Unpopular DB opinions

[ABED]

Maybe you have calmed down, but I haven't noticed it. When you say things like "Fuck Goku" it's a pretty clear message that you don't like him. I don't have to be an apologist to say you hate Goku.

But he doesn't. That's the point. He's even said it twice now times. He's giving criticisms about the character. It doesn't mean that he doesn't like him.

You are only looking at THIS conversation as opposed to the numerous other ones on this topic, and again, he wrote "Fuck Goku!" That's pretty strong for someone who claims he doesn't hate him. You are looking at this in isolation.

[Bansho64]

You are only looking at THIS conversation as opposed to the numerous other ones on this topic, and again, he wrote "Fuck Goku!" That's pretty strong for someone who claims he doesn't hate him. You are looking at this in isolation.

No, I'm focusing on the here and now. None of that past stuff matters to me because he's saying right here and right now that he doesn't dislike the character. Regardless of what he's said in the past, what he's saying now matters. He said that he doesn't dislike Goku and that he's calmed down. Simple as that. He may have disliked him in the past, sure. But, right now, he's saying that that's not the case.

[ABED]

You are only looking at THIS conversation as opposed to the numerous other ones on this topic, and again, he wrote "Fuck Goku!" That's pretty strong for someone who claims he doesn't hate him. You are looking at this in isolation.

No, I'm focusing on the here and now. None of that past stuff matters to me because he's saying right here and right now that he doesn't dislike the character. Regardless of what he's said in the past, what he's saying now matters. He said that he doesn't dislike Goku and that he's calmed down. Simple as that. He may have disliked him in the past, sure. But, right now, he's saying that that's not the case.

Okay, but the past does matter. If someone has a history of having strong feelings one way or another, then do you not at least concede I would have a rational reason for not taking him purely at his word that he doesn't hate the character, especially given that he wrote "fuck Goku" in a very recent post which would seem to contradict his statement that he doesn't have a big problem with him. If he's calmed down, great, but I have yet to see that from him. You have just reiterated his point, you haven't proven it. It's like you are making it sound as though I'm living in the past, which I'm not. The past may not matter to you, but it does matter. This seems like a conversation more suited for PM.

[Bansho64]

Okay, but the past does matter. If someone has a history of having strong feelings one way or another, then do you not at least concede I would have a rational reason for not taking him purely at his word that he doesn't hate the character, especially given that he wrote "fuck Goku" in a very recent post which would seem to contradict his statement that he doesn't have a big problem with him. If he's calmed down, great, but I have yet to see that from him. You have just reiterated his point, you haven't proven it. It's like you are making it sound as though I'm living in the past, which I'm not. The past may not matter to you, but it does matter to me.

His word is his word. All of us have criticized characters at one point of another. It doesn't mean we hate them though and people can get caught up in the moment. I see no reason to doubt what he said his feelings on this subject were. Change can happen quickly

[MarCas92]

-The past 2 episodes were better than the whole of the Trunks/Zamasu arc.
Honestly, most people claim it's been the best arc in Super (I disagree), but even if I did think it was the best, the bar is pretty low.

-Kai was a stupid waste of time and a failed experiment. It's only redeeming value in my eyes was that it gave the FUNI cast to give us a good dub.

-Vegeta has no room left to grow without completely changing his character. Because of this I hate that he has so much of the spotlight in Super. Goku has the same problem but to a much lesser extent.

-None of the fanmade live action projects online are good. NONE. Dragon Ball will never be properly adapted into live action. It just can't be, at least not faithfully.

-Expanding on the same point, there is a reason why it's action can't be replicated: The amount of force required for physical attacks just won't look natural with a human body, especially with how fast those moves need to be to replicate the fast paced fighting. People often cite "Man of Steel" to show that it can be done. But I disagree, it NEVER looked natural. The human body CANNOT move like that, and VFX haven't gotten to the point where it can convince me it can. I'm not saying they will never reach that point, but they haven't imo.

-FUNI has done a really bad job managing the franchise (although a lot of the blame does fall on Toei though). I'm specifically talking about thier DVD releases and license acquisitions.

-I wouldn't care if we got sub only releases. If it meant getting legal product here faster, I'd prefer it. (I know theres demand for English and ppl wont buy subs blah blah blah) but HEY! A man can dream!

[kinisking]

I think a character doesn't need to receive character development to be interesting. If he's interesting from the start, then I don't care.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I think a character doesn't need to receive character development to be interesting. If he's interesting from the start, then I don't care.

Name one character from any series that you enjoy, and why you enjoy him, that has no development. I doubt you can, because development is the interest.

[kinisking]

I think a character doesn't need to receive character development to be interesting. If he's interesting from the start, then I don't care.

Name one character from any series that you enjoy, and why you enjoy him, that has no development. I doubt you can, because development is the interest.

Quagmire from family guy. His sexual personality is entertaining imo. Pretty much any character from animated comedy shows are the same way. If someone gets character development, that's great. But, I only think it's needed when they're not that interesting of a character at the start or are evil like with Gohan and Vegeta. If Goku and Vegeta don't get any character development from this point on, I wouldn't care.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Quagmire from family guy. His sexual personality is entertaining imo. Pretty much any character from animated comedy shows are the same way. If someone gets character development, that's great. But, I only think it's needed when they're not that interesting of a character at the start or are evil like with Gohan and Vegeta. If Goku and Vegeta don't get any character development from this point on, I wouldn't care.

He's usually more of a caricature than a character. But even in episodes where he's the focus, he usually learns a lesson. If he went around giggiting and implying sex all the time, he wears thin. That's what happened with Lunch, Sea Turtle, Puar, Oolong, Chouzu, and to a lesser extent, Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Kuririn, Gohan, Roshi, Piccolo, and probably many others. The premise of their character remains the same, but they haven't done anything in so long, they've stagnated, and are no longer interesting.

[kinisking]

Quagmire from family guy. His sexual personality is entertaining imo. Pretty much any character from animated comedy shows are the same way. If someone gets character development, that's great. But, I only think it's needed when they're not that interesting of a character at the start or are evil like with Gohan and Vegeta. If Goku and Vegeta don't get any character development from this point on, I wouldn't care.

He's usually more of a caricature than a character. But even in episodes where he's the focus, he usually learns a lesson. If he went around giggiting and implying sex all the time, he wears thin. That's what happened with Lunch, Sea Turtle, Puar, Oolong, Chouzu, and to a lesser extent, Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Kuririn, Gohan, Roshi, Piccolo, and probably many others. The premise of their character remains the same, but they haven't done anything in so long, they've stagnated, and are no longer interesting.

Refresh my memory, is character development doing something or changing as a character? I thought it was the changing of a character. I don't consider Quagmire going through any character development even though he "learns a lesson" but his character never really changes. Imo, Goku, Krillin, Gotenks, Yamcha, Gohan and many others really haven't gone through any character development in ages and are still interesting.

[Dbzfan94]

Quagmire from family guy. His sexual personality is entertaining imo. Pretty much any character from animated comedy shows are the same way. If someone gets character development, that's great. But, I only think it's needed when they're not that interesting of a character at the start or are evil like with Gohan and Vegeta. If Goku and Vegeta don't get any character development from this point on, I wouldn't care.

He's usually more of a caricature than a character. But even in episodes where he's the focus, he usually learns a lesson. If he went around giggiting and implying sex all the time, he wears thin. That's what happened with Lunch, Sea Turtle, Puar, Oolong, Chouzu, and to a lesser extent, Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Kuririn, Gohan, Roshi, Piccolo, and probably many others. The premise of their character remains the same, but they haven't done anything in so long, they've stagnated, and are no longer interesting.

I feel the same thing about Goku and Vegeta, ironically enough. Their characters are the same, and in Goku's case regressed, and aren't interesting at all to me. If the NEP for ep71 is true and not a marketing ploy, I honestly couldn't care in the slightest.

[Soppa Saia People]

I honestly find Goku and Vegeta, in Super some of my least favorite fictional characters of all time.

[kinisking]

Quagmire from family guy. His sexual personality is entertaining imo. Pretty much any character from animated comedy shows are the same way. If someone gets character development, that's great. But, I only think it's needed when they're not that interesting of a character at the start or are evil like with Gohan and Vegeta. If Goku and Vegeta don't get any character development from this point on, I wouldn't care.

He's usually more of a caricature than a character. But even in episodes where he's the focus, he usually learns a lesson. If he went around giggiting and implying sex all the time, he wears thin. That's what happened with Lunch, Sea Turtle, Puar, Oolong, Chouzu, and to a lesser extent, Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Kuririn, Gohan, Roshi, Piccolo, and probably many others. The premise of their character remains the same, but they haven't done anything in so long, they've stagnated, and are no longer interesting.

I feel the same thing about Goku and Vegeta, ironically enough. Their characters are the same, and in Goku's case regressed, and aren't interesting at all to me. If the NEP for ep71 is true and not a marketing ploy, I honestly couldn't care in the slightest.

I would argue that Vegeta's character has changed. The future Trunks' arc and Kyabe show it more than ever.

[Dbzfan94]

I would argue that Vegeta's character has changed. The future Trunks' arc and Kyabe show it more than ever.

Well for Vegeta I'm mainly talking since Super started. There's no question that he hasn't changed, but post Final Atonement / "you're better than me Kakarot" speech he's pretty much stayed the same

[ABED]

development is the interest.

This isn't a hard and fast rule. Sometimes the development can make the character less interesting. Chaozu became a less interesting character when he was "developed" and lost all of his quirks. Change isn't inherently interesting, it matters what the change is and how it occurs.

[nickzambuto]

I think a character doesn't need to receive character development to be interesting. If he's interesting from the start, then I don't care.

Name one character from any series that you enjoy, and why you enjoy him, that has no development. I doubt you can, because development is the interest.

Easy. Freeza.

[kinisking]

development is the interest.

This isn't a hard and fast rule. Sometimes the development can make the character less interesting. Chaozu became a less interesting character when he was "developed" and lost all of his quirks. Change isn't inherently interesting, it matters what the change is and how it occurs.

Couldn't word it any better.

[The Patrolman]

I don't know why but I hate Goku dougi after the Freeza arc.

[Doctor.]

Name one character from any series that you enjoy, and why you enjoy him, that has no development. I doubt you can, because development is the interest.

That's not really true. A character can be entertaining without being good. Kid Boo is entertaining, I don't think anyone would say he had any character development whatsoever.

Easy. Freeza.

He pushed his pride aside and trained for once in his life, not the best example.

[ABED]

He pushed his pride aside and trained for once in his life, not the best example.

And made the same mistake.