Big Black Saiyan wrote:So the new warrior is in episode 114 and is a Saiyan?
Something new is appearing in 114 is all we really know. But since Caulifla and Kale are fighting Goku in 113 and 114, and we still haven't seen the C&K episode Toshio was so happy about, I won't be surprised if that fight spills over into 115 (Toshio's next ep after 112). It could be one, two or all three of them awakening a new power, or it turns into another team-up episode against a bad guy or something like that.
Is possible the new warrior
With this in mind new warrior might be coming sooner than we thought
BlueBasilisk wrote:I looked back at older episode titles to see how they've used "birth" previously, and it's been used for episodes where characters transform (notably Super Saiyan God and Perfect Cell) and also the creation of fusion characters (Fusion Zamasu and iirc Gotenks' episoded use it). Still unhelpfully vague and there's no way to know if that warrior and the new one being advertised are the same.
Keep in mind that 'birth' is just the word Herms chose to used.
Kanassa wrote:
precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
Big Black Saiyan wrote:So the new warrior is in episode 114 and is a Saiyan?
Something new is appearing in 114 is all we really know. But since Caulifla and Kale are fighting Goku in 113 and 114, and we still haven't seen the C&K episode Toshio was so happy about, I won't be surprised if that fight spills over into 115 (Toshio's next ep after 112). It could be one, two or all three of them awakening a new power, or it turns into another team-up episode against a bad guy or something like that.
Crossing my fingers for that. Hype would be off the charts.
I don't think this arc can handle anymore "new" characters.
I hope it's Zalama or someone related to it, they need to do something with him.
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BlueBasilisk wrote:I looked back at older episode titles to see how they've used "birth" previously, and it's been used for episodes where characters transform (notably Super Saiyan God and Perfect Cell) and also the creation of fusion characters (Fusion Zamasu and iirc Gotenks' episoded use it). Still unhelpfully vague and there's no way to know if that warrior and the new one being advertised are the same.
Keep in mind that 'birth' is just the word Herms chose to used.
It basically just means someone is appearing during the episode.
When birth has been used it has been used for both Piccolo fusions, Gotenks and Merged Zamasu so it might be a fusion. The only difference with these is that in the titles it basically says who is fusing where for episode 114 it does not give any hint.
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"The new warrior's very strong and coolEveryone will be excited about the birth"
Well, that shifts everything even more in favor of the fusion idea. Either the bugs or #17 and #18.
Where do you get the idea it is 17 and 18. Apparently it can be translated as birth or appearence.
Because one of the most defining things about the fusion technique is that the two participants need to be as identical as possible, so I automatically think twins. But I don't definitely think it is. Just that it might be.
Edit: OR it might be a fusion between Caulifla and Kale, since the next few episodes seem so saiyan centric. Watch the fandom implode.
BlueBasilisk wrote:I looked back at older episode titles to see how they've used "birth" previously, and it's been used for episodes where characters transform (notably Super Saiyan God and Perfect Cell) and also the creation of fusion characters (Fusion Zamasu and iirc Gotenks' episoded use it). Still unhelpfully vague and there's no way to know if that warrior and the new one being advertised are the same.
Keep in mind that 'birth' is just the word Herms chose to used.
It basically just means someone is appearing during the episode.
When birth has been used it has been used for both Piccolo fusions, Gotenks and Merged Zamasu so it might be a fusion. The only difference with these is that in the titles it basically says who is fusing where for episode 114 it does not give any hint.
Is the wording for 114 the same word used for the fusion births?
Kanassa wrote:
precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
BlueBasilisk wrote:I looked back at older episode titles to see how they've used "birth" previously, and it's been used for episodes where characters transform (notably Super Saiyan God and Perfect Cell) and also the creation of fusion characters (Fusion Zamasu and iirc Gotenks' episoded use it). Still unhelpfully vague and there's no way to know if that warrior and the new one being advertised are the same.
Keep in mind that 'birth' is just the word Herms chose to used.
I know. I checked the Japanese titles for uses of "誕" and came up with 7 episodes: DBZ 77 (Piccolo/Nail merge), 141 (Piccolo and Kami merge), 145 (Cell's origin story), 160 (Cell become perfect), 251 (Gotenks' first appearance), DBS 09 (SSG) and 64 (Fusion Zamasu). I don't think it provides much if any information of what could happen, but just shows that the term has been used to refer to various instances of fighter creation.
The only other episode that uses '爆誕' which was translated as "explosive birth" is Super 64.
Michsi wrote:
Edit: OR it might be a fusion between Caulifla and Kale, since the next few episodes seem so saiyan centric. Watch the fandom implode.
If Goku paused the battle to teach them the Fusion Dance, I don't know if I would be able to stop laughing. They're turn into the rule 63 version of Karoly.
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Michsi wrote:
Well, that shifts everything even more in favor of the fusion idea. Either the bugs or #17 and #18.
Where do you get the idea it is 17 and 18. Apparently it can be translated as birth or appearence.
Because one of the most defining things about the fusion technique is that the two participants need to be as identical as possible, so I automatically think twins. But I don't definitely think it is. Just that it might be.
Edit: OR it might be a fusion between Caulifla and Kale, since the next few episodes seem so saiyan centric. Watch the fandom implode.
Neither those two know what fusion is nor goku would try to teach em it
I was hoping it to be zalama but then I realised that he/she is a god so that is out of the way.But Plz don't let it be a saiyan I would rather have jiren new form.
Why power levels are important?
Spoiler:
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
BlueBasilisk wrote:I looked back at older episode titles to see how they've used "birth" previously, and it's been used for episodes where characters transform (notably Super Saiyan God and Perfect Cell) and also the creation of fusion characters (Fusion Zamasu and iirc Gotenks' episoded use it). Still unhelpfully vague and there's no way to know if that warrior and the new one being advertised are the same.
Keep in mind that 'birth' is just the word Herms chose to used.
I know. I checked the Japanese titles for uses of "誕" and came up with 7 episodes: DBZ 77 (Piccolo/Nail merge), 141 (Piccolo and Kami merge), 145 (Cell's origin story), 160 (Cell become perfect), 251 (Gotenks' first appearance), DBS 09 (SSG) and 64 (Fusion Zamasu). I don't think it provides much if any information of what could happen, but just shows that the term has been used to refer to various instances of fighter creation.
The only other episode that uses '爆誕' which was translated as "explosive birth" is Super 64.
Michsi wrote:
Edit: OR it might be a fusion between Caulifla and Kale, since the next few episodes seem so saiyan centric. Watch the fandom implode.
If Goku paused the battle to teach them the Fusion Dance, I don't know if I would be able to stop laughing. They're turn into the rule 63 version of Karoly.
All them are talking about transformations or fusions in the present apart from 145 with cell who is explaing what happened to him in the past. We can assume that epsisoe 114 is going to be about the present so I suppose it could be a transformation or fusion.
If Kale and Caulifla fuse then at least the result will be one less Saiyan in the arena.
namekiansaiyan wrote:
Where do you get the idea it is 17 and 18. Apparently it can be translated as birth or appearence.
Because one of the most defining things about the fusion technique is that the two participants need to be as identical as possible, so I automatically think twins. But I don't definitely think it is. Just that it might be.
Edit: OR it might be a fusion between Caulifla and Kale, since the next few episodes seem so saiyan centric. Watch the fandom implode.
Neither those two know what fusion is nor goku would try to teach em it
That's just it knowing Goku he would teach it to them if it gives him a better challenge.
If you're familiar with the Pokemon movies, part of the the second movie's title is "Lugia Bakutan". In it, Lugia came out of the ocean, it didn't feature transformations or fusions. The term is hype talk for a grand entrance.
Since Damon is said to use explosive attacks, it might be a pun of him making a move.
namekiansaiyan wrote:
Where do you get the idea it is 17 and 18. Apparently it can be translated as birth or appearence.
Because one of the most defining things about the fusion technique is that the two participants need to be as identical as possible, so I automatically think twins. But I don't definitely think it is. Just that it might be.
Edit: OR it might be a fusion between Caulifla and Kale, since the next few episodes seem so saiyan centric. Watch the fandom implode.
Neither those two know what fusion is nor goku would try to teach em it
Are you sure about that? Cause it seems like something he'd do. He already sorta/kinda helped Caulifla before.
perucho1990 wrote:114 spoilers imply someone is going to interfere in the Goku vs Saiyan Girls fight, the new warrior could be the fusion of Gamisaras and Damon
115 is probably the Caulifla/Kale episode Toshio was talking about so no fusion featuring them..
The U6 Namekians will fuse together to fight someone really strong. We don't know how strong each are, but we know how exponentially stronger one can get from a Namekian fusion. I could see them taking on a fighter like Toppo, or someone just under Jiren's level of strength. They might not win, but this is my prediction.
I mean they've been saving these guys for too long now, it's just logical thinking to assume they have something cool planned for them.
Everyone will be excited about the birth"
