"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[JazzMazz]

Now the question is jus if the attack Hitto lands on Jiren actually hurts him or not.

Well, judging by the leaks, it will have next to no effect.

Some bring up that the attack looks to be affective but it's premature to assume anything based on a 30 second preview. Besides, we'll see the fight tonight.

I was referring to this spoiler.
[spoiler][/spoiler]

[Jigurashi]

Well, judging by the leaks, it will have next to no effect.

Some bring up that the attack looks to be affective but it's premature to assume anything based on a 30 second preview. Besides, we'll see the fight tonight.

I was referring to this spoiler.
[spoiler][/spoiler]

I know of this one. I'm simply saying it's probably best to not assume too many things based on still very little info. But yeah for almost that entire preview, Jiren was stomping Hitto. I do like how Jiren's style of fighting changed. He isn't grappling him like he was doing with Goku. He's primarily using his feet.

[Xeogran]

Some bring up that the attack looks to be affective but it's premature to assume anything based on a 30 second preview. Besides, we'll see the fight tonight.

I was referring to this spoiler.
[spoiler][/spoiler]

I know of this one. I'm simply saying it's probably best to not assume too many things based on still very little info. But yeah for almost that entire preview, Jiren was stomping Hitto. I do like how Jiren's style of fighting changed. He isn't grappling him like he was doing with Goku. He's primarily using his feet.

Well there was that scene of "injured" Jiren getting pushed through many of these boulders.

[Ki Breaker]

What's up with ultra instinct being classified as a "form" by so many people?

It's a technique of moving without thought which goku was using after he used up all his ki, the white aura was explicitly said to be him using spirit bombs energy as a temporary source of power..
He didn't achieve any new form..
All that sliver eyed look was him using the bombs energy..

This is no powerup, Goku is still only as strong as before ultra instinct, he is just on a different plane now.. And can fight much better..

Like whis said before, if you manage to master this technique, you can beat anyone, simple raw power was taken out of the equation as soon as you got this down..

Or I am misinterpreting something, if that's the case I would appreciate some light being shed on that..

[namekiansaiyan]

What's up with ultra instinct being classified as a "form" by so many people?

It's a technique of moving without thought which goku was using after he used up all his ki, the white aura was explicitly said to be him using spirit bombs energy as a temporary source of power..
He didn't achieve any new form..
All that sliver eyed look was him using the bombs energy..

This is no powerup, Goku is still only as strong as before ultra instinct, he is just on a different plane now.. And can fight much better..

Like whis said before, if you manage to master this technique, you can beat anyone, simple raw power was taken out of the equation as soon as you got this down..

Or I am misinterpreting something, if that's the case I would appreciate some light being shed on that..

He is definitely stronger and Piccolo said he was getting stronger as he was fighting.

The good thing about Ultra Instinct is that anyone can have it.

[SansrivaaL]

What's up with ultra instinct being classified as a "form" by so many people?

It's a technique of moving without thought which goku was using after he used up all his ki, the white aura was explicitly said to be him using spirit bombs energy as a temporary source of power..
He didn't achieve any new form..
All that sliver eyed look was him using the bombs energy..

This is no powerup, Goku is still only as strong as before ultra instinct, he is just on a different plane now.. And can fight much better..

Like whis said before, if you manage to master this technique, you can beat anyone, simple raw power was taken out of the equation as soon as you got this down..

Or I am misinterpreting something, if that's the case I would appreciate some light being shed on that..

Because the definition of a "transformation/form" is a change in one's physical appearance, tho despite that I'm one of the people that doesnt call the Migatte no Goku'i as a transformation but just a technique like KK (makes his skin color reddish)

He was evolving, probably adapting woulda been a better word since he's not used to it yet so slowly he was getting the hang of it.

[Ki Breaker]

What's up with ultra instinct being classified as a "form" by so many people?

It's a technique of moving without thought which goku was using after he used up all his ki, the white aura was explicitly said to be him using spirit bombs energy as a temporary source of power..
He didn't achieve any new form..
All that sliver eyed look was him using the bombs energy..

This is no powerup, Goku is still only as strong as before ultra instinct, he is just on a different plane now.. And can fight much better..

Like whis said before, if you manage to master this technique, you can beat anyone, simple raw power was taken out of the equation as soon as you got this down..

Or I am misinterpreting something, if that's the case I would appreciate some light being shed on that..

He is definitely stronger and Piccolo said he was getting stronger as he was fighting.

The good thing about Ultra Instinct is that anyone can have it.

Did piccolo explicitly use the word stronger?
I remember him saying he was hitting him sharper and harder which can again be given to him being used to his movements slowly..

And he will get stonger than that state eventually because when he was using ultra instinct he was completely drained out, he naturally has more power than that..
If he was getting stronger he wouldn't be done for when his spirit bomb energy fizzed out..

[TekTheNinja]

What's up with ultra instinct being classified as a "form" by so many people?

It's a technique of moving without thought which goku was using after he used up all his ki, the white aura was explicitly said to be him using spirit bombs energy as a temporary source of power..
He didn't achieve any new form..
All that sliver eyed look was him using the bombs energy..

This is no powerup, Goku is still only as strong as before ultra instinct, he is just on a different plane now.. And can fight much better..

Like whis said before, if you manage to master this technique, you can beat anyone, simple raw power was taken out of the equation as soon as you got this down..

Or I am misinterpreting something, if that's the case I would appreciate some light being shed on that..

Well if he's not stronger, then that doesn't make much sense since he couldn't damage Jiren in the slightest in his top power before, even when Jiren was just standing there, but after ultra instinct he could.

[namekiansaiyan]

What's up with ultra instinct being classified as a "form" by so many people?

It's a technique of moving without thought which goku was using after he used up all his ki, the white aura was explicitly said to be him using spirit bombs energy as a temporary source of power..
He didn't achieve any new form..
All that sliver eyed look was him using the bombs energy..

This is no powerup, Goku is still only as strong as before ultra instinct, he is just on a different plane now.. And can fight much better..

Like whis said before, if you manage to master this technique, you can beat anyone, simple raw power was taken out of the equation as soon as you got this down..

Or I am misinterpreting something, if that's the case I would appreciate some light being shed on that..

He is definitely stronger and Piccolo said he was getting stronger as he was fighting.

The good thing about Ultra Instinct is that anyone can have it.

Did piccolo explicitly use the word stronger?
I remember him saying he was hitting him sharper and harder which can again be given to him being used to his movements slowly..

And he will get stonger than that state eventually because when he was using ultra instinct he was completely drained out, he naturally has more power than that..
If he was getting stronger he wouldn't be done for when his spirit bomb energy fizzed out..

The downside to Ultra Instict is the heat that gets released when using it and that has taken all bis energy away from and It won't matter how strong Goku is if he has no energy.

[ArchedThunder]

What's up with ultra instinct being classified as a "form" by so many people?

It's a technique of moving without thought which goku was using after he used up all his ki, the white aura was explicitly said to be him using spirit bombs energy as a temporary source of power..
He didn't achieve any new form..
All that sliver eyed look was him using the bombs energy..

This is no powerup, Goku is still only as strong as before ultra instinct, he is just on a different plane now.. And can fight much better..

Like whis said before, if you manage to master this technique, you can beat anyone, simple raw power was taken out of the equation as soon as you got this down..

Or I am misinterpreting something, if that's the case I would appreciate some light being shed on that..

It was not explicitly stated that the aura and eyes were from the spirit bomb and Goku is clearly stronger since he's able to match Jiren's power and even launch him.
One of the Dokkan cards even calls it "Sign of a new form".

[SansrivaaL]

What's up with ultra instinct being classified as a "form" by so many people?

It's a technique of moving without thought which goku was using after he used up all his ki, the white aura was explicitly said to be him using spirit bombs energy as a temporary source of power..
He didn't achieve any new form..
All that sliver eyed look was him using the bombs energy..

This is no powerup, Goku is still only as strong as before ultra instinct, he is just on a different plane now.. And can fight much better..

Like whis said before, if you manage to master this technique, you can beat anyone, simple raw power was taken out of the equation as soon as you got this down..

Or I am misinterpreting something, if that's the case I would appreciate some light being shed on that..

Well if he's not stronger, then that doesn't make much sense since he couldn't damage Jiren in the slightest in his top power before, even when Jiren was just standing there, but after ultra instinct he could.

To add to this, 17 also said Goku closed the gap in power between him and Jiren.

[Ki Breaker]

What's up with ultra instinct being classified as a "form" by so many people?

It's a technique of moving without thought which goku was using after he used up all his ki, the white aura was explicitly said to be him using spirit bombs energy as a temporary source of power..
He didn't achieve any new form..
All that sliver eyed look was him using the bombs energy..

This is no powerup, Goku is still only as strong as before ultra instinct, he is just on a different plane now.. And can fight much better..

Like whis said before, if you manage to master this technique, you can beat anyone, simple raw power was taken out of the equation as soon as you got this down..

Or I am misinterpreting something, if that's the case I would appreciate some light being shed on that..

Well if he's not stronger, then that doesn't make much sense since he couldn't damage Jiren in the slightest in his top power before, but after ultra instinct he could.

This is what I think super has been building up to..
To eradicate power scaling..

Think of it like this, you and your friend have an equal amount of strength, but you know your moves and your body Dodges and attacks on it's own..
Who will win that fight?

The best thing is, humans and namekians can learn this technique, they can get stonger without transformations now..


If I am interpreting this right, Goku will still be using blue or blue KK as his ultimate transformation, he simply will be much harder to beat them before due to ultra instinct..

[SansrivaaL]

If I am interpreting this right, Goku will still be using blue or blue KK as his ultimate transformation, he simply will be much harder to beat them before due to ultra instinct..

Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Kaioken X 20 Migatte No Goku'i= SSJGSSJKKx20MG.... god no, make it stop!

[TekTheNinja]

What's up with ultra instinct being classified as a "form" by so many people?

It's a technique of moving without thought which goku was using after he used up all his ki, the white aura was explicitly said to be him using spirit bombs energy as a temporary source of power..
He didn't achieve any new form..
All that sliver eyed look was him using the bombs energy..

This is no powerup, Goku is still only as strong as before ultra instinct, he is just on a different plane now.. And can fight much better..

Like whis said before, if you manage to master this technique, you can beat anyone, simple raw power was taken out of the equation as soon as you got this down..

Or I am misinterpreting something, if that's the case I would appreciate some light being shed on that..

Well if he's not stronger, then that doesn't make much sense since he couldn't damage Jiren in the slightest in his top power before, but after ultra instinct he could.

This is what I think super has been building up to..
To eradicate power scaling..

Think of it like this, you and your friend have an equal amount of strength, but you know your moves and your body Dodges and attacks on it's own..
Who will win that fight?

The best thing is, humans and namekians can learn this technique, they can get stonger without transformations now..


If I am interpreting this right, Goku will still be using blue or blue KK as his ultimate transformation, he simply will be much harder to beat them before due to ultra instinct..

Major problem with that is Jiren was literally just standing there at first. Not dodging.

And as much as I want humans and namekians to get thrown a bone, it ain't happenin'. Super's proven it doesn't give a shit about them.

[emperior]

I was thinking about a thing; Dragon Ball is basically the story of legendary martial artists - this means, for example, that Hit probably was never thought his techniques by anyone, he created those by himself, and these mortals fighting in the ToP are the strongest there have ever been. It would also explain why there's seemingly no one else who can use time-skip besides Hit, and Goku is probably among the first mortals to ever achieve the Ultra Instinct state.
All of this means that, in the future, we could get a Dragon Ball show set a lot of years after the events we are witnessing, where the new generation tries to catch up to the legends we are seeing fighting in the ToP right now. Considering Toriyama will most likely not get involved we could get some cool fanservice in the future, like a character learning Hit's moves and combining those with other cool moves from other characters.

[Kishido]

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I was thinking about a thing; Dragon Ball is basically the story of legendary martial artists - this means, for example, that Hit probably was never thought his techniques by anyone, he created those by himself, and these mortals fighting in the ToP are the strongest there have ever been. It would also explain why there's seemingly no one else who can use time-skip besides Hit, and Goku is probably among the first mortals to ever achieve the Ultra Instinct state.
All of this means that, in the future, we could get a Dragon Ball show set a lot of years after the events we are witnessing, where the new generation tries to catch up to the legends we are seeing fighting in the ToP right now. Considering Toriyama will most likely not get involved we could get some cool fanservice in the future, like a character learning Hit's moves and combining those with other cool moves from other characters.

Tokitobashi is a technique known by fighters even in Universe 7, it's not exclusive to Hit nor was it ever implied that he invented it.

[ArchedThunder]

https://twitter.com/DB_super2015/status ... 9364222978
Namekians are finally here!

[Xeogran]

Oh boy, I can see a certain user being really happy (or unhappy) about it, depending on how it goes

[namekiansaiyan]

Why are the Namekians fighting in this episode it should be focused on Hit and Jiren.

It better just be a minor fight with them fighting later.

Why was they not mentioned in any preview for this episode 111?