Dragonball Movie Update! What is UP with this?

[Rocketman]

Alright I am kidding, and I hope people get the reference.

This is heavy!

[Chrono Trigger]

As far as the fight scenes go I see the movie just having some standard martial arts stuff at first then when Goku gets trained by Roshi and Piccolo and his demons show up, hopefully the fights will have the Dragon Ball elements thrown in. Techniques like the Zanzoken, moving faster than the human eye can see, jumping hundreds of feet in the air, getting sent flying through buildings and rocks, and of course Ki blasts. At least that's what I'm hoping for.

[Onikage725]

I don't expect Watchmen to be perfect, but if it can do as well as Sin City or 300 I'll be very happy with it. I just don't want them to get the wrong tone like they did with V by turning it from Anarchy to anti-Bush.

I know this is off topic, but can you just explain that to me? Cuz when I saw the movie, I thought the changes to the Norsefire party where basically a watering down to fit the pace of the film. Then I went home, went to the IMDB forum (yes, yes, I know) and discovered that apparently this was apparently left-wing anti-Bush propganda. And many of the people who were telling me this weren't even familiar with the graphic novel (some didn't know there was one), and were basically just jumpy about any story in which the government is portrayed as bad. Then I became aware of Alan Moore's griping, but he's been bitter ever since From Hell (and David Lloyd liked the movie and said it was equally as powerful as the original).

So what exactly is it that irks people about V, and when exactly did they bash Dubya?

Alright I am kidding, and I hope people get the reference.

Shouldn't they save that story for Trunks

[Rocketman]

So what exactly is it that irks people about V, and when exactly did they bash Dubya?

There's a line that kinda blames the rise of Norsefire on "America's war began to go badly".

Besides that, it's mostly that people are so terrified of a resurgence of Fascism that they read it into anything. So a movie about a Fascist government becomes an allegory cause there's this, that, and the other things that are somewhat similar to something real-world government X did.

[Onikage725]

So what exactly is it that irks people about V, and when exactly did they bash Dubya?

There's a line that kinda blames the rise of Norsefire on "America's war began to go badly".

The thing I don't get about that is that the graphic novel is fairly clear on the matter, whereas the movie (which changed things due to its modernization) insinuates once and leaves it at that. Hardly a focal point of the film.

Besides that, it's mostly that people are so terrified of a resurgence of Fascism that they read it into anything. So a movie about a Fascist government becomes an allegory cause there's this, that, and the other things that are somewhat similar to something real-world government X did.

That's my general guess as well, but I'm just wondering if anyone can cite something from the film that I missed. I do tend to think people fire from the gut on it, and these accusations are more a reflection of people's own fears than anything the movie shoved down anyone's throat.

[Kunzait_83]

So what exactly is it that irks people about V, and when exactly did they bash Dubya?

There's a line that kinda blames the rise of Norsefire on "America's war began to go badly".

Wasn't that like, a single random throwaway line anyway? Sounds like more of an afterthought than a flat out "let's turn the story's whole theme into an anti-Bush bashfest".

It's been quite a long time since I last read the graphic novel, but when I saw the movie I remembered most of the biggest changes being of the time compression variety (lot's of subplots getting the ax and so forth).

[Kendamu]

I don't expect Watchmen to be perfect, but if it can do as well as Sin City or 300 I'll be very happy with it. I just don't want them to get the wrong tone like they did with V by turning it from Anarchy to anti-Bush.

I know this is off topic, but can you just explain that to me? Cuz when I saw the movie, I thought the changes to the Norsefire party where basically a watering down to fit the pace of the film. Then I went home, went to the IMDB forum (yes, yes, I know) and discovered that apparently this was apparently left-wing anti-Bush propganda. And many of the people who were telling me this weren't even familiar with the graphic novel (some didn't know there was one), and were basically just jumpy about any story in which the government is portrayed as bad. Then I became aware of Alan Moore's griping, but he's been bitter ever since From Hell (and David Lloyd liked the movie and said it was equally as powerful as the original).

In the novel its more about order vs. disorder. Also, there are a few points in which it is obvious that he doesn't want freedom or justice. Just chaos. This stuff didn't quite make it into the movie.

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

That's my general guess as well, but I'm just wondering if anyone can cite something from the film that I missed. I do tend to think people fire from the gut on it, and these accusations are more a reflection of people's own fears than anything the movie shoved down anyone's throat.

Hell, even Alan Moore thought it was an anti-Iraq war/Bush movie. I remember there being a quote of his on Wikipedia (that I can't seem to find anymore) where he said that he thought the Wachowski brothers wanted to make that kind of film, but were too scared to set it in their own country or something.

He's kind of an odd fellow. I hear he doesn't like the idea of Watchmen, either.

[Onikage725]

In the novel its more about order vs. disorder. Also, there are a few points in which it is obvious that he doesn't want freedom or justice. Just chaos. This stuff didn't quite make it into the movie.

I know, but Joel Silver has said that was because he always saw V as a heroic figure. So it was an "error" of interpretation, not an attempt to make a political statement. And you have to admit, we tend to label our even our anarchists as heroes or anti-heros (look at Raphael of the ninja turtles), so it's an honest mistake.

Hell, even Alan Moore thought it was an anti-Iraq war/Bush movie. I remember there being a quote of his on Wikipedia (that I can't seem to find anymore) where he said that he thought the Wachowski brothers wanted to make that kind of film, but were too scared to set it in their own country or something.

He's kind of an odd fellow. I hear he doesn't like the idea of Watchmen, either.

Yeah he did, but David Lloyd (co-creator) basically said he was full of shit, says the movie is good, and also points out that Moore had no problem signing over the rights and cashing a paycheck.

And Moore signed away his royalty rights for Watchmen. I think hes just trying to make anti-movie statements now. His comments show that he doesn't like the medium. He did support the old scripts, and the final one was heavily based on those while fixing the "modernization" aspect.

[dragondyle]

What's wrong with a PG rating? The (edited) series had Y7 on TV, the unedited was TV14. PG fits in right in the middle. Hell, the original TMNT movie was rated PG and that worked out just fine.

Actually, the uncut DBZ on Cartoon Network was rated TV-PG. DBZ didn't go that far to be rated TV-14.

[Kaboom]

Sorry to interrupt this fantastic topic, but we have a new interview from Monsieur Marsters, courtesy of DBtheMovie.com...

How was it filming Dragonball in the extensive Piccolo make-up?

The first time we did the make-up, it took 17 hours, so four hours seemed like nothing. My costume looked great, but I couldn’t breathe in it.

Any surprises in doing a big budget movie?

I suspect it’s going to turn out really well, but so much is done in post-production, it’s difficult to gauge. In Durango, they wanted Piccolo to be more beautiful, and I wanted him to be old, decrepit and ugly. There are no mirrors in prison. [The character has been in prison for two thousand years.]

The character started out looking young and beautiful. I went to the make-up artist and said, ‘The producers want the character to be beautiful, but the producers ain’t here. And we’re going to put back with paint what they took away with the sculpt [prosthetics make-up].’ The director agreed with me. I would rather have been fired than mess up Piccolo.

Will fans of the Dragonball and Dragonball Z series like the movie?

There have been some changes, but it’s true to the heart of Dragonball.

Not too much we didn't know already, but I thought that one line was pretty impactful still.

[Velasa]

Patrick Wilson's never played Batman. Unless you mean the costume. But you kinda have to admit that if they straight adapted Nite Owl's comic costume, it would look about as ridiculous as Adam West's Batman. For that matter, the second Nite Owl has similarities to Batman anyway, so I don't see a problem with the live action look. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

I'm not referring to the actor, as I know very little of actors and the only time I've seen a movie with him he was an adorable French Puppy who needed a hug. The costume and the presentation are what concern me- as one he is far too young and the whole middle-aged-slump was a pretty big part of the character's issues, and two the changing his image to Batman worries me that they're changing his personality to Batman. I don't expect him to be wearing purple tights- but he shouldn't be Batman.

And, as V's co-creator pointed out, neither of them had any problems when the checks were being cashed.

Everything I remember says he was distancing himself as far as possible from that movie, including refusing to have his name on it and giving his share of it away, both with V and with Watchmen.

I will admit I know little of the Watchmen movie so far (haven't found many sources of in-depth information), the horrible experience with V makes me very concerned. You know, when anarchy is defined as everyone wearing the same outfit. But this is not the place to bitch about non-DB stuff, so I'll cut my anger there.

I was saying earlier that some of the movies do. Move 3 anyone? What about 8 or 13?

When I hear 'gritty' I think intensely dark, low light urban and lonely streetlights over worn blood on the ground. Really quiet violent stuff in sinister ways. Not the bright light stylistic colors and general hope in people like Son Goku, who always wins glowing like a sayiajin sun.

As I also stated earlier, no other single Dragon Ball product, even uncut releases of the anime, has been rated above a PG. This includes content such as, as Rocketman posted, Goku flying through Daimao.

I more think of sweet little incidents like Freezer repeatedly impaling Krillian and having a glorious little time of it. I see DB/Z as more PG-13 than PG, because Japanese kids seem to be more mature than American ones.

EDIT- SSj Kaboom, old interview actually, methinks. But yes- things like that are what make me very happy with that man ^_^

[Kendamu]

In the novel its more about order vs. disorder. Also, there are a few points in which it is obvious that he doesn't want freedom or justice. Just chaos. This stuff didn't quite make it into the movie.

I know, but Joel Silver has said that was because he always saw V as a heroic figure. So it was an "error" of interpretation, not an attempt to make a political statement. And you have to admit, we tend to label our even our anarchists as heroes or anti-heros (look at Raphael of the ninja turtles), so it's an honest mistake.

The idea of chaos, anarchy, and letting the people fall into their own voluntary order with no real specific leaders was what V wanted. It was very pronounced in the book. The reason why people may interpret it wrong was because it was never really explained how much of an Anarchist V is and that what he does is more derived from post-traumatic psychotic brilliance where "revenge" is really just a cover-up for what he really wants to see: chaos falling into natural order without any sort of real leadership. He just happened to be a hero because the Government in the story really were a bunch of bad guys regardless of what V's intentions were.

As for Raphael, I never saw the Turtles as superheroes looking to go out and fight crime (in most of their incarnations). In the comics, the new cartoon, and the first movie they usually only went after random thugs if they just happened across something and knew that the right thing to do was help in their own way. Most of their larger battles were a result of circumstance, bad luck, or some sort of personal feud.

Uhm... and as for Dragonball... I wanna see Piccolo!

[Onikage725]

I'm not referring to the actor, as I know very little of actors and the only time I've seen a movie with him he was an adorable French Puppy who needed a hug. The costume and the presentation are what concern me- as one he is far too young and the whole middle-aged-slump was a pretty big part of the character's issues, and two the changing his image to Batman worries me that they're changing his personality to Batman. I don't expect him to be wearing purple tights- but he shouldn't be Batman.

You know Patrick WIlson is playing the SECOND Nite Owl, right? Dan Dreiberg, the younger one who's costume looked very much like it was based on old-school Batman? If comic Nite Owl can look like comic Batman, I see little problem with movie Nite Owl looking like movie Batman.

When I hear 'gritty' I think intensely dark, low light urban and lonely streetlights over worn blood on the ground. Really quiet violent stuff in sinister ways. Not the bright light stylistic colors and general hope in people like Son Goku, who always wins glowing like a sayiajin sun.

Like I said before, does anyone really think they're going for Sin City with ki powers? We know Goku gets an orange gi. We know he'll be firing his sparkly turtle destruction waves. He won't be glowing like a Saiyan sun because it's pre-super forms, but I'm pretty sure he'll wind up kicking Piccolo's ass.

I get what you guys all are saying about your image of a "gritty" film. All I'm saying is that the commenter who used the word (I've plum forgotten who said it) was probably thinking closer to what I was describing. Things will probably be darker, like some of the animated films.

I more think of sweet little incidents like Freezer repeatedly impaling Krillian and having a glorious little time of it. I see DB/Z as more PG-13 than PG, because Japanese kids seem to be more mature than American ones.

Those ratings I used were the American ones.

[Velasa]

You know Patrick WIlson is playing the SECOND Nite Owl, right? Dan Dreiberg, the younger one who's costume looked very much like it was based on old-school Batman? If comic Nite Owl can look like comic Batman, I see little problem with movie Nite Owl looking like movie Batman.

Have the book, am very aware of this. There's still the matter of what are they doing to his personality, which is why the Batman thing worries me.

Those ratings I used were the American ones.

I know you were. But when the fighting gets serious in its original serious form I really can't see it as PG- because when you're between ratings, it typically skews upward because it's too much for the lower level. For the movie- going by contemporary trends where people like more serious, gritty by your definition stuff, it would be a bit too much than PG logically. Not quite PG-13, more like PG-10 which doesn't actually exist. Thus the step up makes sense.

[Kendamu]

You know Patrick WIlson is playing the SECOND Nite Owl, right? Dan Dreiberg, the younger one who's costume looked very much like it was based on old-school Batman? If comic Nite Owl can look like comic Batman, I see little problem with movie Nite Owl looking like movie Batman.

Have the book, am very aware of this. There's still the matter of what are they doing to his personality, which is why the Batman thing worries me.

As far as I know, they're not changing anyone's personality. It seems as if Watchmen is going to be more directly adapted than Dragonball ever will be.

Anyone know when we're gonna get an actual teaser for this thing?

[Onikage725]

Have the book, am very aware of this. There's still the matter of what are they doing to his personality, which is why the Batman thing worries me.

Like Kendamu said above, I haven't heard that anyone's personality is being altered. Then again, like you, I have found few sources on the film. So I don't know that there aren't changes either. I find the costume thing negligible. An analogy (since I do so love those)- Deadpool's going to be on the big screen soon. If Warner Bros made a Teen Titans movie with Deathstroke in it, and his look was similar to Deadpool's, I wouldn't worry that his personality would be changed.

I know you were. But when the fighting gets serious in its original serious form I really can't see it as PG- because when you're between ratings, it typically skews upward because it's too much for the lower level. For the movie- going by contemporary trends where people like more serious, gritty by your definition stuff, it would be a bit too much than PG logically. Not quite PG-13, more like PG-10 which doesn't actually exist. Thus the step up makes sense.

I'd love to see a PG-13 rating. I'm just saying that a PG wouldn't be without some precedent, and wouldn't automatically spell doom.

Anyone know when we're gonna get an actual teaser for this thing?

Which? Watchmen's, I hear, is attached to Dark Knight. So, next week. Dragonball? I've only heard the same "maybe this month" that everyone else has.

[djkalteraphine]

Sorry to interrupt this fantastic topic, but we have a new interview from Monsieur Marsters, courtesy of DBtheMovie.com...

How was it filming Dragonball in the extensive Piccolo make-up?

The first time we did the make-up, it took 17 hours, so four hours seemed like nothing. My costume looked great, but I couldn’t breathe in it.

Any surprises in doing a big budget movie?

I suspect it’s going to turn out really well, but so much is done in post-production, it’s difficult to gauge. In Durango, they wanted Piccolo to be more beautiful, and I wanted him to be old, decrepit and ugly. There are no mirrors in prison. [The character has been in prison for two thousand years.]

The character started out looking young and beautiful. I went to the make-up artist and said, ‘The producers want the character to be beautiful, but the producers ain’t here. And we’re going to put back with paint what they took away with the sculpt [prosthetics make-up].’ The director agreed with me. I would rather have been fired than mess up Piccolo.

Will fans of the Dragonball and Dragonball Z series like the movie?

There have been some changes, but it’s true to the heart of Dragonball.

Not too much we didn't know already, but I thought that one line was pretty impactful still.

I'm repeating myself, but it warrants repeating. James is going to be the best part in this movie. I have no doubts he's going to be one awesome Piccolo.

[Xyex]

But when the fighting gets serious in its original serious form I really can't see it as PG

Well, as I was just recently corrected on, the anime itself was only TV-PG. So yeah. A PG rating would entail everything seen in the anime so there's no real reason to go higher.

[Kunzait_83]

But when the fighting gets serious in its original serious form I really can't see it as PG

Well, as I was just recently corrected on, the anime itself was only TV-PG. So yeah. A PG rating would entail everything seen in the anime so there's no real reason to go higher.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A-A8p_r ... 73&index=0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFdSGSal65k



I know in Japan this is considered a kid's show... but you also have to factor in vast differences in cultural norms. I don't think I'm incorrect in stating that their definition of PG differs a touch from ours.

Unless we're just talking DB and not factoring in Z... but even then, DB has it's occaisional "icky" moments later on (and is BIIIIIIIG on the nudity and sexual humor, but I suppose that's safe to consider a non-factor in the live action flick).