Dragon Ball: Evolution- Speculation and Discussion

Ducard · Post by **Ducard** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:59 pm

I'm just happy he's not a cloud.

Thanks for the link.

The Tori-bot · Post by **The Tori-bot** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:59 pm

Rocketman wrote:
MisterFlashdude wrote:Shenron's a... dinosaur? x_x

That doesn't look a thing like a dinosaur and you know it.

The body, no, but the head kinda reminds me of Jurassic Park.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:03 pm

The Tori-bot wrote:The body, no, but the head kinda reminds me of Jurassic Park.

How so?

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:13 pm

Looks like Shenlong just with some "Western Style" Dragon influences.

By the way, this is from Dragonheart(1996) just in case anyone got confused.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:18 pm

Btw the Oozaru is not blue in this new trailer and he has red eyes.

Ducard · Post by **Ducard** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:18 pm

11 seconds in: It's probably just the lighting, but the frills on Piccolo's arm appear red.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:21 pm

JAPPO wrote:Btw the Oozaru is not blue in this new trailer and he has red eyes.

I am assuming you are referring to a trailer that none of us but you have seen yet?

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:24 pm

omegacwa wrote:
JAPPO wrote:Btw the Oozaru is not blue in this new trailer and he has red eyes.
I am assuming you are referring to a trailer that none of us but you have seen yet?

Same trailer, not cut.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:26 pm

yeah, but none of us have seen it uncut but you right?

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:37 pm

Rocketman wrote:That doesn't look a thing like a dinosaur and you know it.

It is a dinosaur and you know it.

...No, that's not my post but it's such a good argument I wanted to try it in reverse.

Dragons in general bare something of a resemblance to dinosaurs, particularly the western variety. The lack of distinctive facial characteristics of the eastern dragon (horns, hair, catfish-esque whiskers), a particular lack of length, and those neck frills ends up making it look a bit like something out of Jurassic Park.
Only... flying.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:48 pm

I think we should all be happy it looks like a dragon at all.

Also there is no way to tell it's length, there is nothing in the shot for a frame of reference.

Also, if you all remember correctly Shenlong was dinky when he came out during the Daimao Arc.

Look at him compared to Piccolo. Also the image is flipped because I took it with my webcam.

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:52 pm

omegacwa wrote:I think we should all be happy it looks like a dragon at all.

Also there is no way to tell it's length, there is nothing in the shot for a frame of reference.

It's either not very long it is has an enormous head and incredibly thick body.

But I see your point. I'll try to be appreciative. They could have just swung around Barney on a harness and called it a dragon...

KinoFourpaws · Post by **KinoFourpaws** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:54 pm

MisterFlashdude wrote:
Rocketman wrote:That doesn't look a thing like a dinosaur and you know it.
It is a dinosaur and you know it.

...No, that's not my post but it's such a good argument I wanted to try it in reverse.

Dragons in general bare something of a resemblance to dinosaurs, particularly the western variety. The lack of distinctive facial characteristics of the eastern dragon (horns, hair, catfish-esque whiskers), a particular lack of length, and those neck frills ends up making it look a bit like something out of Jurassic Park.
Only... flying.

Let me just add that it's probably (at least in part) because of the dinosaurs that the idea of dragons even came into being. People were finding fossils of dinosaurs in places like China and calling them dragons from as far back as the third century and likely even earlier. So, it's not unreasonable for dragons of any kind to look like them.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:59 pm

MisterFlashdude wrote:and those neck frills ends up making it look a bit like something out of Jurassic Park.
Only... flying.

I'm not sure you can blame them for having a dragon look like a lizard.

Also it does have horns.

And finally, Jurassic Park took creative license there. There's no proof that Dilophosaurus had neck frills. And it was supposed to be twenty feet long.

KinoFourpaws · Post by **KinoFourpaws** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:13 pm

Rocketman wrote:
MisterFlashdude wrote:and those neck frills ends up making it look a bit like something out of Jurassic Park.
Only... flying.
I'm not sure you can blame them for having a dragon look like a lizard.
[Le snip]

Also it does have horns.
[Le snippity-snip]

And finally, Jurassic Park took creative license there. There's no proof that Dilophosaurus had neck frills. And it was supposed to be twenty feet long.

That wasn't the only dinosaur Spielberg took creative liberties with. The real Velociraptors apparently were the size of turkeys.

That must have been one giant frog they took that extra DNA from. ... Gama-bunta?

Like I said, though, there is absolutely no reason why "Shenlong looks like a dinosaur" should be perceived as a bad thing. (Except for maybe the fact that he doesn't look exactly like he does in the manga/anime, which seems to be a common complaint against this movie in general.) The idea of dragons came from dinosaurs. Any similarity is only logical. It's not like they made him look like a cow or anything (as interesting an interpretation of the dragon concept that might be).

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:13 pm

You guys... you can explain why a dragon can look like a dinosaur or have a lizard's characteristics all you want. Yes, I know the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park took creative license.
Why a dinosaur looks like a lizard in Jurassic Park is beside the point. Why some dragons look like dinosaurs is beside the point.

None of this changes the fact that this dragon doesn't look like Dragonball's dragon. Why we should be forced to rationalize why it looks like a dinosaur or a lizard is beyond me. Why the hell couldn't they have just done it right in the first place?

If someone requests you draw a hamster, and you draw them a rat, saying "They're basically the same thing anyway, just be grateful I drew anything at all" isn't going to cut it.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:14 pm

Its seems Shenlong is the new Piccolo.

KinoFourpaws · Post by **KinoFourpaws** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:21 pm

MisterFlashdude wrote:You guys... you can explain why a dragon can look like a dinosaur or have a lizard's characteristics all you want. Yes, I know the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park took creative license.
Why a dinosaur looks like a lizard in Jurassic Park is beside the point. Why some dragons look like dinosaurs is beside the point.

None of this changes the fact that this dragon doesn't look like Dragonball's dragon. Why we should be forced to rationalize why it looks like a dinosaur or a lizard is beyond me. Why the hell couldn't they have just done it right in the first place?

If someone requests you draw a hamster, and you draw them a rat, saying "They're basically the same thing anyway, just be grateful I drew anything at all" isn't going to cut it.

Can't say I'm surprised to see this response, in all honesty. All right, we get it. You're disappointed. Unfortunately, this kind of thing seems like it's to be expected in movie-making nowadays. People are going to make changes to this stuff.

Actually, it's personally rather interesting to see how they interpret stuff like this. It gives a new outlook and refreshes things a bit to see them come up with something a bit different visually. I suppose that's just me, though.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:21 pm

MisterFlashdude wrote:Why we should be forced to rationalize why it looks like a dinosaur or a lizard is beyond me.

I'm not forced to rationalize it, because it looks like a dragon to me. So they changed it, big deal.

KaiserNeko · Post by **KaiserNeko** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:23 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ2ND9ns_Lg&fmt=18 Direct rip, here!

Who wants your direct rip? =3