Not against opinions.. But holy crud!TheMightyOzaru wrote:I have Goku at 2,000,000,000 in the Buu arc.Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:You think their bases are really this high? In my list thats almost as high as Goku's base.TheMightyOzaru wrote:I personally have Goten and Trunks going from 50,000,000+ to 70,000,000+ so that's about a 1.4x increase.
In my opinion: Yakon = several times stronger than Freeza. Gero = several times weaker than Freeza. So...Yakon vs Dr. Gero
Those are GT characters. They could easily one-shot Buuhan.Androids 16, 17, and 18 vs Haze, Rage, and Naturon Shenron
Tien was about as strong as Goku at the tournament, who destroyed Tambourine once he was well rested. So Tien wins with ease.Tenshinhan vs Tambourine
Cymbal is maybe a third as strong as Roshi, so Roshi'd take him out no problem. Tambourine might be more difficult; I'd imagine that he's marginally weaker than Roshi, but Roshi can't fly. Given his rating at the start of Z, I'd probably say Roshi would lose, since flying gives Tambourine too big of an advantage for the marginal power difference to matter.and Roshi vs Cymbol/Tambourine
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
I have Super Perfect Cell at 180,000,000,000 so Ssj2 Goku is only marginally stronger since you know the Ssj2 multiplier. I honestly don't see how 2 Billion is so ridiculous. It's not that high.Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:Not against opinions.. But holy crud!
People here were trying to say Goku was only "marginally stronger" than Cell arc. Apparently thats not the case! I'm new to these numbers!
The only way I can see them this high, as if you consider "Full Power" SSJ to actually be a form. I don't, so my numbers are way lower.TheMightyOzaru wrote:I have Super Perfect Cell at 180,000,000,000 so Ssj2 Goku is only marginally stronger since you know the Ssj2 multiplier. I honestly don't see how 2 Billion is so ridiculous. It's not that high.Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:Not against opinions.. But holy crud!
People here were trying to say Goku was only "marginally stronger" than Cell arc. Apparently thats not the case! I'm new to these numbers!
Ah yes, they overtake him, Piccolos expression after they showed their full power proves this.Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:I know Piccolo is higher than everyone's base, but I was referring to SSJ Goten and SSJ Trunks.Zombie wrote:Eh? Piccolo one shots every Saiyan (base) in the Buu arc.
I have Shin Boo at: 1,250,000,000,000,000,000
In the Android Saga, before Piccolo fuses with Kami i have him at 100,000,000, and 500,000,000 when he fused. That makes Android #17 at least 480,000,000 give or take. I always considered #20 to be under 100 million since we all know Piccolo made very short work out of him. Krillin did state Piccolo to already be "super strong" but any higher than 100,000,000 might over do it. Remember he was only just over 1,000,000 when he fought Frieza. Putting him higher than Frieza's max 120,000,000 in 3 years of training just doesn't sound right. This means he trains harder than everybody else?Zombie wrote:That's incredible low compared to mine hehe, 1,350,000,000,000 for me.
Curious, what are your PL for Piccolo (fused with Kami) and IPC post Humans?
I have a power levels list on the Official Unofficial Power Levels thread. It's on page 81 if you're interested.Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:The only way I can see them this high, as if you consider "Full Power" SSJ to actually be a form. I don't, so my numbers are way lower.TheMightyOzaru wrote:I have Super Perfect Cell at 180,000,000,000 so Ssj2 Goku is only marginally stronger since you know the Ssj2 multiplier. I honestly don't see how 2 Billion is so ridiculous. It's not that high.Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:Not against opinions.. But holy crud!
People here were trying to say Goku was only "marginally stronger" than Cell arc. Apparently thats not the case! I'm new to these numbers!
Just as I expected, you don't take into account Imperfect Cell's tank against Piccolo's Light Grenade. That instance completely bloats any power level list since the Light Grenade is no less than 3X Piccolo and for Cell to tank it he has to be 2X that.Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:In the Android Saga, before Piccolo fuses with Kami i have him at 100,000,000, and 500,000,000 when he fused. That makes Android #17 at least 480,000,000 give or take. I always considered #20 to be under 100 million since we all know Piccolo made very short work out of him. Krillin did state Piccolo to already be "super strong" but any higher than 100,000,000 might over do it. Remember he was only just over 1,000,000 when he fought Freeza. Putting him higher than Freeza's max 120,000,000 in 3 years of training just doesn't sound right. This means he trains harder than everybody else?Zombie wrote:That's incredible low compared to mine hehe, 1,350,000,000,000 for me.
Curious, what are your PL for Piccolo (fused with Kami) and IPC post Humans?
Imperfect Cell at 1,000,000,000, and Perfect Cell at 2,000,000,000 (suppressed). At the Cell Games i imagine Cell being no higher than 5,000,000,000 full power.
And again, I do not consider a FP SSJ to actually be a form, it is still 50x base. My thinking is that Goku + Gohan making SSJ normal, increased their bases rather than allowing them to power up more. If it was really higher than 50x base their muscles would begin bulging out like the Ascended forms.
Humans? I decided not to even list them after Trunks showed. They made no difference in any of the fights. I know Tenshinhan was holding back Imperfect Cell (or Semi Perfect as some call it), but I doubt he was actually hurting him. He did state that he was only buying the androids a little time to escape, that was his only intention. And as I've said sometime ago, even if Tenshinhan was using Kaioken x20 + Tri Beam, he wouldn't stand a chance against Cell's first form. So their power levels are not even relevant to my list. ^_^
I guess I have some revisions to do!! (yet again, sigh)Zombie wrote: Just as I expected, you don't take into account Imperfect Cell's tank against Piccolo's Light Grenade. That instance completely bloats any power level list since the Light Grenade is no less than 3X Piccolo and for Cell to tank it he has to be 2X that.
Piccolo is >> Freeza BTW, remember that he trained with a SSJ. Amazing gains were stated.
Of course not, that's a small difference, Dodoria vs Vegeta proved you need at least a 1.2x gap to kill another fighter with a Ki blast and SSJ Goku and 50% Freeza proved you need a 2x gap to tank a Ki attack head on without damage.Kaboom wrote:You're not going to kill someone with a Pl of 50,000,000 just by generating an attack with a power of 50,000,001.
Gohan thought that Kibito could be a challenge for him without turning into a Super Saiyan, so his strength would depend on how strong you had the base saiyans. I have all of them stronger than Frieza, so Kibito takes this.Zombie wrote:Of course not, that's a small difference, Dodoria vs Vegeta proved you need at least a 1.2x gap to kill another fighter with a Ki blast and SSJ Goku and 50% Freeza proved you need a 2x gap to tank a Ki attack head on without damage.Kaboom wrote:You're not going to kill someone with a Pl of 50,000,000 just by generating an attack with a power of 50,000,001.
In any case, Kibito vs Freeza.
Cipher wrote:If Vegeta does not kill Gohan, I will stop illegally streaming the series.
Malik_DBNA wrote:"Achievement Unlocked: Rule 34"Scarz wrote:Malik, stop. People are asking me for lewd art of possessed Bra (with Vegeta).
Officially, Kibito is more-or-less on par with base Gohan during the Boo arc, but I don't believe Gohan or the other adult Saiyans were QUITE as strong as Freeza yet in their base forms. So Kibito can put up a good fight, but with his 100% power, Freeza claims a clean win.Zombie wrote:In any case, Kibito vs Freeza.
The guidebooks explicitly state that Kibito is about on par with base Gohan. I believe that base Gohan could easily kill a Freeza-level opponent in one hit, just because A. I believe Pui Pui was Freeza level and B. power gains are just that ridiculous in this series as a matter of course. So the fight between Kibito and Frieza would go like this:Kibito vs Frieza
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
It is stated that Kibito is barely weaker than Gohan in base. At this point it basically comes down to whether Gohan could one shot 100% freeza, or lose against him. Kibito would have the same outcome that Gohan would.Zombie wrote:Gohan can one shot Freeza but Kibito can't, he would have been stated otherwise.
