The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:00 am

Kibito stomps. I have him at 470,000,000.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:39 am

Buuhan vs Pure Buu at equal strength. Who would win, the smartest Buu, or the craziest?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Saiyan Prince Vegeta » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:32 pm

EDIT: Missed the equal strength part :oops: . So Boohan he's far too clever and has better techniques. Hell he may even absorb Pure Boo. :P
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:36 pm

Buuhan being far more intelligent wins this in a land slide.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:39 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:Buuhan being far more intelligent wins this in a land slide.
I feel like this intelligence could be a downside though. Pure Buu doesn't have the sense of self preservation that Buuhan has, and would utilize way more powerful attacks from the beginning. I feel that Buuhan wouldn't take him seriously at first, and would end up being blown up with the planet. Buuhan would subconsciously hold back until he got mad enough, and I feel that Pure Buu would have blitzed him by then.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:27 pm

Strife1 wrote:
Zombie wrote:Gohan can one shot Freeza but Kibito can't, he would have been stated otherwise.
It is stated that Kibito is barely weaker than Gohan in base. At this point it basically comes down to whether Gohan could one shot 100% freeza, or lose against him. Kibito would have the same outcome that Gohan would.
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No where in the manga is that stated. Any way.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:19 pm

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Androids 16, 17, and 18 vs Haze, Rage, and Naturon Shenron
Those are GT characters. They could easily one-shot Buuhan.
No way that the Shadow Dragons expect Yi Xing Long (both forms), Si Xing Long (post-transformation) and San Xing Long (Eis Shenron) can one-shot Super Buu 3. None of the Shadow Dragons other those three show off anything that special. Er Xing Long (Haze Shenron) was a total joke that neither Goku or Pan took him seriously. Liu Xing Long (Oceanus Shenron) was killed by Pan, Wu Xing Long (Rage Shenron) and Qi Xing Long didn't show off anything that great neither.

I'm going to say that Wu Xing Long would solo #16, #17 and #18 on his own. His jelly body makes him hard to kill expect for water and none of them are strong enough to hurt him. I put Wu Xing Long around SSj3 level from what I can remember.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:23 pm

Baby Vegeta, Rildo, and Super 17 easily could. GT is broken. Anyway, I was just joking on that original comment.

Anyway:

King Cold and Mecha Frieza vs Androids 19 and 20 OR Androids 14 and 15.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:25 pm

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Do you think that the gods from the new movie are stronger than the stronger GT characters?
I think it's a bit hard to tell at the moment since the movie is not even out yet. We can't judge Bills and Uisu based on movie clips.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Saiyan Prince Vegeta » Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:26 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Baby Vegeta, Rildo, and Super 17 easily could. GT is broken. Anyway, I was just joking on that original comment.

Rildo? I can't see him beating Boohan.
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Post by ZombieVito » Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:26 pm

#19 and #20 are >> Mecha Freeza.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:29 pm

In my opinion, 20 and 19 are far weaker than even normal Frieza before they start absorbing energy. So they lose. King Cold would have slight trouble with 19, but as long as he doesn't stupidly let himself get grabbed he's also fine.

Also, I seem to recall 14 and 15 having trouble with base Android Arc saiyans and being killed in one hit when they went super, so I think they're pretty pathetically weak as well.
Rildo? I can't see him beating Boohan.
GT uses anime logic for its power, as it is an anime only thing. So Kid Buu is waaaaaaaay stronger than Buuhan. And Rildo was supposedly stronger than that in his normal state. In his strongest state, he's as strong as Super Saiyan GT Goku, who's over 50 times stronger than Buuhan.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:30 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Do you think that the gods from the new movie are stronger than the stronger GT characters?
I think it's a bit hard to tell at the moment since the movie is not even out yet. We can't judge Bills and Uisu based on movie clips.
Well, I doubt that we will see anything to compare the BoG characters with the GT characters, so just take a guess.
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Hellspawn28 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Do you think that the gods from the new movie are stronger than the stronger GT characters?
I think it's a bit hard to tell at the moment since the movie is not even out yet. We can't judge Bills and Uisu based on movie clips.
In a GT guide, SSJ Vegetto is stated to be "perhaps stronger than a SSJ4", Birusu is stated to be the strongest being in the history of Z. Manga Vegetto is, IMO, much more powerful than the anime version, I take the SEG statement literally, and therefore have Vegetto higher than anyone in GT, also making Birusu higher than anyone in GT.

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Post by ZombieVito » Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:49 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:In my opinion, 20 and 19 are far weaker than even normal Freeza before they start absorbing energy. So they lose. King Cold would have slight trouble with 19, but as long as he doesn't stupidly let himself get grabbed he's also fine.
Can't see sick SSJ Goku being <<<<< SSJ Yadart Goku, that's the only way to make Freeza >> the Androids.

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:28 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote: GT uses anime logic for its power, as it is an anime only thing. So Kid Buu is waaaaaaaay stronger than Buuhan. And Rildo was supposedly stronger than that in his normal state. In his strongest state, he's as strong as Super Saiyan GT Goku, who's over 50 times stronger than Buuhan.
I always though the line of King Kai saying Kid Buu was strongest Buu was in the dub. I don't think Rildo at his strongest can beat Super Buu 3 or SSj Vegito. Bebi Vegeta might since Goku admit that Bebi Vegeta's ki was stronger then anything that he has seen which means Bebi Vegeta is stronger then any form of Buu. I still think Super Buu 3 or Vegito could beat most of the Shadow Dragons though.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:38 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Do you think that the gods from the new movie are stronger than the stronger GT characters?
I think it's a bit hard to tell at the moment since the movie is not even out yet. We can't judge Bills and Uisu based on movie clips.
Well, I doubt that we will see anything to compare the BoG characters with the GT characters, so just take a guess.
I think Super Vegetto grapes any GT character so the Gods are definitely superior.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Hellspawn28 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Do you think that the gods from the new movie are stronger than the stronger GT characters?
I think it's a bit hard to tell at the moment since the movie is not even out yet. We can't judge Bills and Uisu based on movie clips.
In a GT guide, SSJ Vegetto is stated to be "perhaps stronger than a SSJ4", Birusu is stated to be the strongest being in the history of Z. Manga Vegetto is, IMO, much more powerful than the anime version, I take the SEG statement literally, and therefore have Vegetto higher than anyone in GT, also making Birusu higher than anyone in GT.
Kakarotto base in the very beginning of DB GT, is stronger than a SSJ3. Imagine how powerful can be in SSJ4.

Yi Xing Long is more powerful than SJJ4 Kakarotto. SSJ4 Kakarotto becomes stronger than Yi with the help of the others Saiyans. Yi becomes super stronger by merging with the other 6 Dragons. SSJ4 Gogeta is way more super stronger than that Yi fused.

That´s why I don´t trust so much in that ¨perhaps ¨word.

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MDSTSSJ wrote: Kakarotto base in the very beginning of DB GT, is stronger than a SSJ3. Imagine how powerful can be in SSJ4.

Yi Xing Long is more powerful than SJJ4 Kakarotto. SSJ4 Kakarotto becomes stronger than Yi with the help of the others Saiyans. Yi becomes super stronger by merging with the other 6 Dragons. SSJ4 Gogeta is way more super stronger than that Yi fused.

That´s why I don´t trust so much in that ¨perhaps ¨word.
Vegetto in the anime, in base was leaps and bounds above SSJ3 Goku, as he went toe to toe with Boohan and was winning, even though he was only toying with him. I have manga Vegetto above even his Anime counter-part, so the anime version is in the same ball park as a SSJ4, yet the manga version is above everything in GT IMO.

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:36 am

Gohan can one shot Freeza but Kibito can't, he would have been stated otherwise.
Which is why it is stated in the guidebooks. Kibito is slightly weaker than base Gohan. Base Gohan can one-shot Freeza. Therefore, Kibito can one-shot Freeza. He also doubted any mortal could do something he couldn't, despite knowing how strong Freeza was.
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Trunks loses.

Trunks stomps.

Yakon kills each of them in one hit. The kiri measurements had him at about a quarter of Buu Saga FPSS Goku.

Pui Pui one-shots them. No, not one shot for each. He fires one blast and kills the entire squad.

Anyway, Eastern Supreme Kai vs Super Vegeta (the one that fought Semi-Perfect Cell).
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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