"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[TheDevilsCorpse]

You gotta remember Toriyama works closely with Toyotaro , maybe Toriyama invisioned Hit to be like this.

I don't care if this is Toriyama's vision of Hit or not. Yes, he's the original author and I usually really enjoy everything about his works the way it is, but he's not infallible. This time I prefer the anime's depiction from what we've seen in the manga so far. Simple as that.

[ArchedThunder]

You gotta remember Toriyama works closely with Toyotaro , maybe Toriyama invisioned Hit to be like this.

He just okays the storyboards, that doesn't necessarily mean the manga is any closer to his vision.

[Pannaliciour]

Like everyone here Vegeta Vs Kabba was a lot better in the manga, but I also like Vegeta V Hit, its kinda like the same where Vegeta couldnt do shit and Hit just toy'd with him.
Base Goku V Hit was... ok I guess? but the anime was better if he will transform into a SSJB next time. What I found weird was Hit's smile, that look was villainous.
Next chapter we will finally know if the Kaioken was really what Toriyama wanted or just another Toei nostalgia grab move.

I like how Toyotarou added some weird sparks on the aura of their SSJB.

I really think (and hope) it is Toriyama's because:
1: they explained it very well in the episode.
2: they have thought it through; ssjb combination with kaio ken.
3 it is in nature of Goku to figure out how he can beat BEERUS when shit could go south. So it make sence with this technique.

On top of that, besides ROF saga (ginyu) Toei didn't do anything (that much of a) different than the manga. And especially with a new arc (champa arc) they will not mess with that technique and follow Toriyama.

On the other end, not using kaio ken is in line what Toriyama said about Goku and Vegeta: no plans to surpass Beerus any time soon.

[Nejishiki]

It's difficult to imagine the return of Kaioken not being in the original outline, but it would certainly be interesting if the battle scenario was very vague and Toyotaro actually does something completely different in Goku's counter to Tokitobashi

[Shuby]

You gotta remember Toriyama works closely with Toyotaro , maybe Toriyama invisioned Hit to be like this.

He just okays the storyboards, that doesn't necessarily mean the manga is any closer to his vision.

He has the final say , if does not like it he'll ask to change it.

[Shuby]

You gotta remember Toriyama works closely with Toyotaro , maybe Toriyama invisioned Hit to be like this.

I don't care if this is Toriyama's vision of Hit or not. Yes, he's the original author and I usually really enjoy everything about his works the way it is, but he's not infallible. This time I prefer the anime's depiction from what we've seen in the manga so far. Simple as that.

meh thats your opinion.

[ArchedThunder]

You gotta remember Toriyama works closely with Toyotaro , maybe Toriyama invisioned Hit to be like this.

He just okays the storyboards, that doesn't necessarily mean the manga is any closer to his vision.

He has the final say , if does not like it he'll ask to change it.

And who says what exactly he cares enough about to change? There could be plenty of things that don't line up with his original vision but he doesn't really care enough or think it's a big enough deal to ask for it to be changed. Something as simple as a character smiling could be something like that.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Does Goku say in the manga that Super Saiyan Blue drains his energy like he does in the anime?

He just okays the storyboards, that doesn't necessarily mean the manga is any closer to his vision.

We are told that the anime expands on Toriyama's story draft, but also adds & changes things. The manga only expands on Toriyama's story draft, and also Toriyama supervises it & personally makes changes when he feels like.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Does Goku say in the manga that Super Saiyan Blue drains his energy like he does in the anime?

He does. In Korean, it's roughly something along the lines of "Oh yeah. That's really drainin', so I'll do it later. I still don't know how to beat ya yet, so I'm stallin' for time."

[Ssgvegito30]

It was a nice read, I really enjoyed the vegeta vs cabba part of the Manga, like most of the fans here I too like vegeta vs cabba fight in the Manga in comparison to anime the rest is meh, I like the anime version of vegeta vs hit and goku vs hit, also it ticked me off to see goku fight hit in base just like the anime..

[ArchedThunder]

We are told that the anime expands on Toriyama's story draft, but also adds & changes things. The manga only expands on Toriyama's story draft

We don't know how detailed Toriyama's draft is, so this is meaningless.

and also Toriyama supervises it

As I said, he just okays the storyboard for each chapter.

& personally makes changes when he feels like.

We only know of a single instance of this and it was for a gag, there's no way of knowing if he cares enough about something like a smile to tell Toyotaro to change it.
People assume WAY too much on Toriyama's role with the manga.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

People assume WAY too much on Toriyama's role with the manga.

Wha... I literally said exactly what is stated. No assumptions there.

[Nickolaus]

Barely any differences.

Feels very unnecessary now.

Having the same feelings about the manga, although I still prefer it more than i do the anime.

[Xeztin]

I like the anime and manga both because I'm just that type of guy. I would say Hit and the Super Saiyan fight was done better in the anime. Also 31 page count again!

[Derf]

Really enjoyed this. Toyotarō's art is second to none (other than Akira Toriyama, of course). I much preferred Vegeta vs. Cabba in this version, while I'd give the slight edge to the anime when it comes to Vegeta vs. Hit.

[Bullza]

I'm theorizing Toyotaro sticks to Toriyama's outline more so than the anime writers. What's more canon in that situation is not something I'm going to delve into.

That's probably the case because the anime probably feels the need to pad things out whereas the manga doesnt really need to.

That's why we're getting the little arc were having now which surely won't be in the manga.

[Lord Beerus]

Decent chapter.

Vegeta vs. Cabba felt a bit too short but the fight choreography was way more impressive than what we got in the anime. Vegeta vs. Hit was very disappointing and the anime version of fight was far superior in ever department.

[MonkeyKing16]

Seeing Cabba's kicks made me think of Sanji.

[FortuneSSJ]

-Chapter 12-

After saw Cabba kicking in the opening, that's how I thought he would fight in the anime.
Base Cabba vs Base Vegeta was better here. But SSJ Cabba vs SSJ Vegeta was much better in the anime. Overall, I pick the anime version.

Vegeta vs Hit was worse and I doubt Goku vs Hit will be better. Episode 39 took it to a whole new level and I'm not seeing Toyotaro keep up with it.

So for me, the only fight that beats the anime is Goku vs Botamo. Hardly Toei couldn't have done it worse.
The fight itself is still pretty meh though.

I'm glad Toyotaro is adding some blood here and there, but I didn't like how he drew SSB ins this chapter:

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Those little things look like water, which doesn't make sense. There's was no reason to change his design.

On other hand, this is probably the best Hit's drawing I saw so far:

Spoiler:

Can't remember any shot from the anime that comes close to this.
Stll soon to say anything about Hit's personality.

[Nejishiki]

Perhaps he chose to design the sparks that way to give it the feeling of a mutated transformation?