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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sun Aug 16, 2015 11:12 pm

Doctor. wrote:Why such a big increase for the gang from Lood to M2? Did they receive a power-up that I'm forgetting?
I might be bloating it a bit by having Lood so high, but yes there were large increases regardless.

http://dbzeta.net/topic/11172914/1/?x=90

Start at around 4 ^

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by ahill1 » Sun Aug 16, 2015 11:20 pm

Why Piccolo greatly increases his power during the GT ?? Piccolo does nothing for GT, that's absurd.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sun Aug 16, 2015 11:31 pm

He survived a Kamehameha from SS Gohan-Baby in the Baby arc, and in the S17 arc, had no qualms with staying down in Hell with the likes of Freeza, Cell, and HF17.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by ahill1 » Sun Aug 16, 2015 11:55 pm

SSJ2FutureGohan, why do you have Yajirobe so weak in your list of Dragon Ball?

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by supercat » Mon Aug 17, 2015 5:12 am

Saiga wrote:I'd agree with that, but Goku eventually returned to Super Saiyan for his fight with Cell, and that was his biggest powerup of the arc. So I'd say the transformation multipliers and all that meant very little in comparison to his general training gains.
I guess it boils down to the true definition of FPSSJ. I've always perceived it as the mastered state of Super Saiyan that enabled its user to indulge in all the best traits of its preceding forms (strength of Grade 3), while enjoying the luxuries of energy conservation. Goku probably saw the flaws of Grade 3 early on, and hence found a way to reach a state of equilibrium where he was able to balance everything out in a methodical fashion. Not trying to ignite another endless debate pertaining to the different grades of SSJ, but I subscribe to the belief that FPSSJ is more or less on par with, or only a notch or two below Grade 3 SSJ in terms of raw strength.

That said, between FPSSJ Goku and Grade 3 SSJ Trunks, I'd have to say that the former is the superior of the two in all categories.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by LightBing » Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:29 pm

supercat wrote:
Saiga wrote:I'd agree with that, but Goku eventually returned to Super Saiyan for his fight with Cell, and that was his biggest powerup of the arc. So I'd say the transformation multipliers and all that meant very little in comparison to his general training gains.
I guess it boils down to the true definition of FPSSJ. I've always perceived it as the mastered state of Super Saiyan that enabled its user to indulge in all the best traits of its preceding forms (strength of Grade 3), while enjoying the luxuries of energy conservation. Goku probably saw the flaws of Grade 3 early on, and hence found a way to reach a state of equilibrium where he was able to balance everything out in a methodical fashion. Not trying to ignite another endless debate pertaining to the different grades of SSJ, but I subscribe to the belief that FPSSJ is more or less on par with, or only a notch or two below Grade 3 SSJ in terms of raw strength.

That said, between FPSSJ Goku and Grade 3 SSJ Trunks, I'd have to say that the former is the superior of the two in all categories.
I agree that FPSSJ Goku is superior to that version of Trunks and incorporates the best traits. I say the base multiplier for SSJ and FPSSJ is the same. In the later I simply add a mastery number, some thing like this:

Cell Games
Goku - 9.600.000
Super Saiyan - 384.000.000 + 750.000.000 = 1.134.000.000 (I use a x40 multiplier)

So the 750.000.000 is the power increase from the mastery. In my head, SSJ has the potential to surpass SSJ2 and SSJ3, who have fixed multipliers. This fits with Mr Toriyama words, when he said that SSJ2 and SSJ3 are just powered up versions of SSJ. And base together with SSJ will become the only forms used.

You can kinda see this in the Buu Arc with Gotenks who goes from SSJ directly to SSJ3. His SSJ form was stronger than his SSJ2 form because of the mastery.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by ahill1 » Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:45 pm

Power Levels


Raditz arc
Vegeta arc
Namek arc
Ginyu arc part 1
Ginyu arc part 2
Freeza arc part 1
Freeza arc part 2
Trunks arc
Future arc
Androids arc

Cell arc
Cell Games
Buu saga


25th Budokai
Babidi arc
Fat Buu arc
Fusion arc

Kid Buu arc
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:49 pm

That 29.6k figure for Vegeta seems awfully familiar..

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Doctor. » Mon Aug 17, 2015 6:31 pm

Here's my new list. This is quite different from my usual minimalist approach.

Multipliers:
Hunt for the Dragon Balls & Kame training arc:
21st Budokai Tenkaichi arc:
Red Ribbon Army/Baba arc:
22nd Budokai Tenkaichi arc:
Piccolo Daimao arc:
23rd Budokai Tenkaichi arc:
Saiyan arc:
Namek arc:
Artificial Human arc:
Boo arc:
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Sayo-chan » Mon Aug 17, 2015 9:32 pm

I decided to have a little fun with this. I'm tempted to make it even more unnecessarily complicated to explore further possibilities, but I think this'll do for now. I'll work on the Artificial Humans tomorrow.

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⇔ - Logical equivalent.
≡ - Congruent and may also define a variable as another variable under certain assumptions taken in context.
⊕ - Operates as (x)or, only one variable can be true.

End of Freeza

Freeza: 120,000,000 ≡ 140,000,000 ⇔ 80,000,000
*Theoretical max or damaged state is congruent to assumptive theoretical max and damaged state.

--- Cut in half: 10 ⇔1,000,000
*Probably unable to fly or move.
*May be able to survive planetary explosion.

--- Mercy power: 1,000,000 ⇔ 10,000,000
*Can now fly and shoot lasers.
*Easily overpowered.
*Survived a planetary explosion.

SSJ Goku: 150,000,000 ≡ 160,000,000 ⇔ 100,000,000
*Theoretical max or possibly battle damaged state is congruent to assumptive theoretical max and damaged state.
*Possibly rejuvenated from first SSJ transformation.

Mecha Freeza: *50,000,000 ⊕ **155,000,000
*Freeza's possibly out of his mind.
*Unknown whether surgeons knew of 100% Freeza's power.
**Supposedly rebuilt to be even more powerful.
**Confident in taking Goku on.

King Cold: *110,000,000 ⊕ **120,000,000 ***130,000,000 ⊕ ****140,000,000
*Freeza's max power is 120 million while Mecha Freeza's battle power is weaker than before.
**Freeza's max power is 140 million while Mecha Freeza's battle power is weaker than before.
***Freeza's max power is 120 million while Mecha Freeza's battle power is greater than before.
****Freeza's max power is 140 million while Mecha Freeza's battle power is greater than before.


Trunks: *1,500,000 ⊕ **2,500,000 ⊕ ***3,500,000 ⊕ ****4,500,000
--- SSJ: *75,000,000 ⊕ **125,000,000 ⊕ ***175,000,000 ⊕ ****225,000,000
*Freeza's max power being 120 million and Mecha Freeza being weaker.
**Freeza's max power being 140 million with Mecha Freeza being weaker.
***Freeza's max power being 120 million and Mecha Freeza being stronger.
****Freeza's max power being 140 million and Mecha Freeza being stronger.

Goku: *3,500,000 ⊕ **3,700,000
--- SSJ: *175,000,000 ⊕ **185,000,000
*Freeza's max power being 120 million.
**Freeza's max power being 140 million.

Vegeta: 2,600,000 ⇔ 3,000,000
*Got beat by Freeza using 3% of his power (3 million).

Piccolo: 2,600,000 ⇔ 3,000,000 ⊕ 2,700,000 ⇔ 3,100,000
*Thinks he can beat Vegeta.
*May be unreliable.
Most Dragon Ball fans are incapable of making a logically sound argument.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by ahill1 » Tue Aug 18, 2015 5:24 pm

22nd TB

Panput 22

Chapa - o 34

Chaozu 38

Yamcha 39

Kuririn 40

Tsuru 55

Roshi 60

Tenshinhan 70

Goku 70


Looks good?

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:23 pm

What are your gaps for these:

A17:
A18:
Weighted Piccolo [fused with God]:
Imperfect Cell [1st appearance]:

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Doctor. » Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:26 pm

Zombie wrote:What are your gaps for these:

A17:
A18:
Weighted Piccolo [fused with God]:
Imperfect Cell [1st appearance]:
As I posted above,

Piccolo, post-fusion: 280,000,000
-- No weights: 350,000,000

Artificial Human #18: 345,000,000
Artificial Human #17: 350,000,000
Artificial Human #16: 440,000,000

Imperfect Cell: 275,000,000
-- After absorbing humans: 440,000,000

Gap between Cell and weighted Piccolo should probably be a bit higher, but I think they had a pretty even fight.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:05 pm

They did? I don't remember Cell hitting Piccolo once.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Doctor. » Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:12 pm

Zombie wrote:They did? I don't remember Cell hitting Piccolo once.
He sucked off his arm and even though Piccolo was clearly the strongest, he wasn't hurting Cell too much.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by dbgtFO » Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:17 pm

Doctor. wrote:
Zombie wrote:They did? I don't remember Cell hitting Piccolo once.
He sucked off his arm and even though Piccolo was clearly the strongest, he wasn't hurting Cell too much.
That's because Piccolo wanted Cell to spill the beans about his back story. Piccolo struggling against Cell really doesn't seem different from, when he was faking it against Dr. Gero.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by ahill1 » Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:43 pm

Android 18 720,000,000
Android 17 800,000,000
Kamiccolo
~Weighted 720,000,000
~W/o Weights 800,000,000
Imperfect Cell 615,000,000
~Post absorptions 1,600,000,000
Android 16 1,600,000,000

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Thu Aug 20, 2015 5:35 pm

Zombie wrote:What are your gaps for these:

A17:
A18:
Weighted Piccolo [fused with God]:
Imperfect Cell [1st appearance]:
A17: 800
A18: 700
Weighted Piccolo [fused with God]: 720
Imperfect Cell [1st appearance]: 600

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Thu Aug 20, 2015 5:57 pm

Thanks for the responses, I have settled with this:

A17: 360,000,000
A18: 340,000,000
Weighted Piccolo: 325,000,000
Cell: 270,000,000
Vegeta: 250,000,000

I'm still undecided where to put the future A17 and A18. Maybe 280 and 260 million respectively.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by ahill1 » Thu Aug 20, 2015 5:59 pm

Freeza saga power levels


Kuririn - 304,000

Son Gohan - 380,000
--Enranged - 1,000,000
--Dying - 1,800-
--Healed - 730,000
--Enranged ( 2 ) - 1,900,000
--Masenko - 2,300,000

Piccolo(post merge weighted) - 1,320,000
--W/o Weights - 1,700,000

Vegeta - 498,000
--Massive auto-evolution - 4,500,000

Freeza - 530,000
--Transformed - 1,060,000
--Powered up - 1,272,000
--Full power - 1,590,000
--Transformed again - 2,400,000
--True form initial - 4,500,000
--Speedup(@vegeta) - 7,200,000
--W/o hands - 15,400,000
--50% - 165,000,000
--70% - 231,000,000
--100% - 330,000,000

Son Goku(healed) - 7,000,000
--Kaioken(@ freeza W/o hands) - 14,000,000
--Kaioken x10 - 70,000,000
--Kaioken x 20 - 140,000,000
--Super Saiyajin - 350,000,000

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