The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by hleV » Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:16 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Rocketman wrote:Vegetto could take him.
To the candy shop. Beers is stated to be stronger.
If Beers is stronger than everyone, then he's stronger than Whis. And that doesn't seem to be true. Until you solve this out, leave Vegetto alone.
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Post by Saiga » Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:17 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Again, when was he shown to have gotten stronger?
Well he goes from fighting evenly with Rilld to one-shotting SS Gohan who can also fight fairly evenly with Rilld in base, etc.

@hlev Whis was never actually confirmed to be stronger than Beers, or even hinted at, so that statement about Beers still works.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Saiyan Prince Vegeta » Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:23 am

hleV wrote:
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Rocketman wrote:Vegetto could take him.
To the candy shop. Beers is stated to be stronger.
If Beers is stronger than everyone, then he's stronger than Whis. And that doesn't seem to be true. Until you solve this out, leave Vegetto alone.
Whis being stronger was meant to be a surprise (if he is actually stronger), we didn't know anything about him, but we had already seen Vegetto and know that he was the most powerful being. So the statement about Beers being the most powerful being is valid with all of the characters we had seen and knew about up to that point. That's how I view it anyway. :)
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:05 am

Beers being the "strongest in the history of Z" just means that Vegetto would need Super Saiyan 2 to take him on. :wink:
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Saiyan Prince Vegeta » Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:11 am

Kaboom wrote:Beers being the "strongest in the history of Z" just means that Vegetto would need Super Saiyan 2 to take him on. :wink:
That depends on how you take Goku saying he didn't know a realm like this could exist. I really don't know at the moment.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:55 am

I think Ssj God Goku is roughly 3x stronger than Ssj3 Vegetto.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:41 am

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TheMightyOzaru wrote:SSJ God Goku beats all 4 combined.
All 4 combined? Isn't that a bit too much?
I don't think so. I already think base Vegetto stomps all of GT.
You mixed "Goku X Vegeta = Vegetto" & BoG together?! That's a mess.
hleV wrote:If Beers is stronger than everyone, then he's stronger than Whis. And that doesn't seem to be true. Until you solve this out, leave Vegetto alone.
Are you serious? Beers is supposed to be the strongest guy ever, until we learn that Whis is actually even stronger.
Saiga wrote:Well he goes from fighting evenly with Rilld to one-shotting SS Gohan who can also fight fairly evenly with Rilld in base, etc.
Or, Gohan got stronger during the months that passed between Baby & Super #17 arcs, since we know he still trains.
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Post by hleV » Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:35 pm

Beers is stated to be the strongest in the history of Z. Period. If such flat out statement is not supposed to be taken literally, then what is? And since that statement appears to be wrong (unless Beers' hint to Whis being stronger than him turns out to be wrong), I don't have to treat Beers as superior to Vegetto neither.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:42 pm

"Strongest in the history of Z" means "strongest so far." Whis being revealed as even stronger than Beers is after-the-fact, and doesn't contradict a past-centric statement.
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Post by theawesomepossum777 » Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:45 pm

OK, I got a battle for you guys! Yajirobe (23rd Budokai) VS Chi-Chi (23rd Budokai). Who would win? 8)
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Post by Saiyan Prince Vegeta » Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:47 pm

hleV wrote:Beers is stated to be the strongest in the history of Z. Period. If such flat out statement is not supposed to be taken literally, then what is? And since that statement appears to be wrong (unless Beers' hint to Whis being stronger than him turns out to be wrong), I don't have to treat Beers as superior to Vegetto neither.
Well what do you make of Goku saying he didn't know a realm like this could exist after fighting Beers for a while?
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Post by MDSTSSJ » Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:48 pm

hleV wrote:Beers is stated to be the strongest in the history of Z. Period. If such flat out statement is not supposed to be taken literally, then what is? And since that statement appears to be wrong (unless Beers' hint to Whis being stronger than him turns out to be wrong), I don't have to treat Beers as superior to Vegetto neither.
Beers stated to be ¨strongest¨ in the History of Z, was before BOG. Now, the movie told us something new.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:50 pm

theawesomepossum777 wrote:OK, I got a battle for you guys! Yajirobe (23rd Budokai) VS Chi-Chi (23rd Budokai). Who would win? 8)
Yajirobe was able to keep up with 22nd Budokai Goku, and presumably got even stronger. He takes this easily.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:08 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:You mixed "Goku X Vegeta = Vegetto" & BoG together?! That's a mess.
Not really, it fits together quite nicely.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:10 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:You mixed "Goku X Vegeta = Vegetto" & BoG together?! That's a mess.
Not really, it fits together quite nicely.
Eh I think its a bit of a mess. If we go by the statement of Vegetto being "Perhaps greater then SSJ4." Things fit a little better in my opinion.
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Post by Saiyan Prince Vegeta » Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:27 pm

Thanks to BOG, we can now can say that even if Vegetto being Vegeta X Goku is correct, it's below two 120 million battle powers, rather than being two absurd numbers. :)
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Post by dbzfan7 » Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:35 pm

Saiyan Prince Vegeta wrote:Thanks to BOG, we can now can say that even if Vegetto being Vegeta X Goku is correct, it's below two 120 million battle powers, rather than being two absurd numbers. :)
Well if you go by those numbers then yeah, its not as ludicrous.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:37 pm

Saiyan Prince Vegeta wrote:Thanks to BOG, we can now can say that even if Vegetto being Vegeta X Goku is correct, it's below two 120 million battle powers, rather than being two absurd numbers. :)
Just to play devil's advocate, :twisted: what if Birisu didn't know Freeza's full power? Divinity has never offered an accurate view into one's true strength before. Kaio didn't know how powerful Freeza was, and he's been watching the north galaxy for millenia. Kaioshin didn't know the Saiyan's true power, and was surprised by them. What would make Birisu any different?
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Post by Rocketman » Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:54 pm

hleV wrote:Beers is stated to be the strongest in the history of Z. Period. If such flat out statement is not supposed to be taken literally, then what is? And since that statement appears to be wrong (unless Beers' hint to Whis being stronger than him turns out to be wrong), I don't have to treat Beers as superior to Vegetto neither.
I don't have to accept stupid lines from BoG any more than I have to accept stupid lines from GT. Since both are complete shit, I prefer not to.
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Post by Saiyan Prince Vegeta » Mon Apr 01, 2013 2:03 pm

@Kamiccolo Well we know Goku can't be below 3 million as his power increased by a huge amount to fight Cell, so unless Beers is over-estimating Freeza he's not wrong. I get the feeling from Beers statements that he knows how powerful Freeza is. :)

Edit: I'm half asleep so I can't tell if what I'm saying makes much sense. :lol:
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