"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[HeroR]

I mean kale is blue tier she just not high as people believe

This is a speculative since we don't know how much Goku was or wasn't holding back. Simply saying, he was holding back doesn't tell if he was going 10, 20, 50, or 80%.

Honestly, anyone talking about Kale's power is talking out their butts, rather they put her above Blue or claimed that Gohan or 17 could one-shot her.

[Totamo]

Wait, the spoilers imply the fusion will get SSJ3. Ya know, like Gotenks?

It depends how you read it.

Grasping at straws that aren't really there.

Goku got hit by worse, and was "ok" (as ok as being beaten up by Jiren could be). Kale got hit by one ki blast.

Besides, by Jiren's own words, he only considers Hit and Goku worth fighting. Kale isn't near Goku's level.

No more gasping than Goku held back so much power he just allowed Kale to walked through his Kamehameha.

Kale had to be something since he even bothered to take out Kale when before he was more than willing to let Goku and Hit team up and ring out one of his teammates.

Oh I dont know, maybe because like I said he's preserving his stamina for an actual threat, like say, Jiren? anyways dont ask me, ask Goku, he literally said "I'm gonna raise my ki up a little now" they made a point to have him say "a little" anyways if you dont like that as well then "because Kale was nothing more than an out of control little girl who he needed to be careful with or else he could accidentally kill her as she was pushing herself too much" still no? then I dont think anything I say will actually matter to you.
I gave a good enough answer and you came back with "its a lousy answer" ok then

You're not answering the question. Why would Goku 'preserved stamina' to the point of letting Kale walked through his freaking attack and grabbed him? You're telling me that Goku couldn't raised his power to the point of at least pushing Kale back? This makes no sense other than trying to downplay Kale into the dirt.

An "because Kale was nothing more than an out of control little girl who he needed to be careful with or else he could accidentally kill her as she was pushing herself too much", who grabbed him and used Goku as a club. Plus, Goku doesn't think like this.

Anger was the only reason Goku did it the first time on namek, thats what made the seen iconic and before you even think to say Vegeta, trunks, goten or gohan did it offscreen. We have no idea how they did it either plus super constantly uses throwbacks to anime filler from z so yes people can say that vegeta, gohan and future trunks earned it through anger as well. Only the 2 brats are vague but that was a joke pointed out by the entire cast.


Not to mention when Vegeta taught Cabba, he told him to never forget the RAGE.


The super saiyan forms are all tied to rage, thats why Gohan couldn't go fullpower on Cell like he wanted to, now you could see that U6 saiyans have different biology, when. was. that. stated.

Goku's first time on Namek doesn't matter since he was the first Super Saiyan in thousand years. He had no idea what was happening. We know Goten didn't used anger because he couldn't even remember the moment. Even in the anime filler, Goten didn't transform from anger.

Cabba said rage was necessary, Cali proved that it wasn't. It wouldn't be the first time in life that people thought something only worked one way only to be proven wrong.

But we do, because we saw it and read it.


1. Goku's rage at Freeza for killing his friend is triggered it. You know, the whole super saiyan speech.


2. Which is why people dislike her more than 2 kids.

[HeroR]

But we do, because we saw it and read it.


1. Goku's rage at Freeza for killing his friend is triggered it. You know, the whole super saiyan speech.


2. Which is why people dislike her more than 2 kids.

In Goku's case, all he knew was that he got anger and transformed. He didn't know more beyond that. He didn't even know if he could control himself in front of his son.

Super Saiyan hasn't been special since Trunks came out of nowhere with it and sliced Freeza into cold cuts and the manga never even bothering show how Vegeta and Trunks got it. Gohan first Super Saiyan transformation was also no seen in the manga. Goku told Gohan to get angry by thinking of sometime that made him mad, Gohan failed, and then the next time we seen him he's a Super Saiyan.

Most of the fans who keep thinking Super Saiyan is sacred is only aware of the anime since I can't tell you how many fans were surprised and dismay when I told them that Trunks' iconic Super Saiyan transformation never happened in the manga and that he had Super Saiyan before Gohan died. In general, the Dragon Ball fandom is the worst when it comes to knowing anything about the original source material.

[Noah]

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So it's just like Sandubadear said? They will become SSJ3 but as a fusion like Gotenks?

Wait, the spoilers imply the fusion will get SSJ3. Ya know, like Gotenks?

If so I really want Gotenks and fusion to fight in the future.

Please, like Gotenks would do a thing to a fusion that it's probably beyond Blue-tier?

[namekiansaiyan]

I have no idea what's on it but it's new.

https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/923800745958191104

Do they actually think we will believe the line, 'with her brilliant combat sense' when they talk about Caulifla?

[perucho1990]

Do they actually think we will believe the line, 'with her brilliant combat sense' when they talk about Caulifla?

I get it, she is the female Garou(One Punch Man will understand it).

The stuff about Kale is that she can become stronger, "the incalculable" statement

[namekiansaiyan]

Do they actually think we will believe the line, 'with her brilliant combat sense' when they talk about Caulifla?

I get it, she is the female Garou(One Punch Man will understand it).

The stuff about Kale is that she can become stronger, "the incalculable" statement

It is the kind of things they say about Gohan all the time and I just can't take it seriously.

[JulieYBM]

Aww, nice to see my Big Buff Lesbian Saiyans holding hands. I hope the cut looks better in the finished episode, though.

I'm bewildered by there being vocal hatred hating those two. It seems especially bad--I haven't collected the empirical data--with Caulifla. Are people just...threatened by her? By a fictional character? Really? She's fulfilling the sexual fetishes of creators and fans with her personality and character setting, that's all. She's not murdering your grandma--although maybe your grandma deserves it?! She's a damned Commie spy, isn't she? Jokes aside, I just don't understand the mental gymnastics people are doing with these two. Caulifla likes to fight strong guys, even if she knows she's outmatched physically, she knows that the real game is to not let her opponent defeat her spirit. Heck, just look at how she tries to continually convey that to Kale, who does have a weak spirit. That's a level of characterization you don't find too often in Dragon Ball.

"Nyargh, Caulifla's speaking disrespectfully to Gokuu! Nyargh!" Hey, if you want to metaphorically masturbate to Gokuu, I'm all for it, just don't pretend Caulifla's in the room showing you nude photos of your Commie spy grandma to kill your boner or somethin'.

[perucho1990]

I think the whole Caulifla being direspecting Goku was just Yamaguchi fucking up, he has been made characters act like assholes(Vegeta not helping Goku with the Genkidama kinda comes to mind), idiots(Tien, Piccolo, Gohan in episode 106).

So If Kalefla might be Gotenks 2.0 in episode 114(Yamaguchi wrote that episode).

[Torturephile]

Aww, nice to see my Big Buff Lesbian Saiyans holding hands. I hope the cut looks better in the finished episode, though.

I'm bewildered by there being vocal hatred hating those two. It seems especially bad--I haven't collected the empirical data--with Caulifla. Are people just...threatened by her? By a fictional character? Really? She's fulfilling the sexual fetishes of creators and fans with her personality and character setting, that's all. She's not murdering your grandma--although maybe your grandma deserves it?! She's a damned Commie spy, isn't she? Jokes aside, I just don't understand the mental gymnastics people are doing with these two. Caulifla likes to fight strong guys, even if she knows she's outmatched physically, she knows that the real game is to not let her opponent defeat her spirit. Heck, just look at how she tries to continually convey that to Kale, who does have a weak spirit. That's a level of characterization you don't find too often in Dragon Ball.

"Nyargh, Caulifla's speaking disrespectfully to Gokuu! Nyargh!" Hey, if you want to masturbate to Gokuu, I'm all for it, just don't pretend Caulifla's in the room showing you nude photos of your Commie spy grandma to kill your boner or somethin'.

I don't get it either. I just dislike that Caulifla got her transformations rather easily but thats it. Kale is a lame Broly clone but she's coming out of that status.

[Chuquita]

Ssj3 while fused? Sounds like Gotenks.

Maybe Caulifla isn't meant to be an analogue to Gokû. Maybe she's meant to be an analogue to Kid Trunks.

[Ki Breaker]

Aww, nice to see my Big Buff Lesbian Saiyans holding hands. I hope the cut looks better in the finished episode, though.

Are you sure holding hands is all you want?

I'm bewildered by there being vocal hatred hating those two. It seems especially bad--I haven't collected the empirical data--with Caulifla.

It's actually more along the lines of people not being a fan of that particular character type in general..
Tsunderes, especially ones who don't have the abilities to back up their hardy attitude aren't everyone's cup of tea..
Now if she started somewhat cocky but simply became more and more arrogant as she starts to see she is actually really good at this transformation stuff, that would have been a different story..

But now I understand why she has fans, just like it's for any other tsundere,
MACHOI- I mean this

She's fulfilling the sexual fetishes of creators and fans with her personality and character setting, that's all.

[HeroR]

I think the whole Caulifla being direspecting Goku was just Yamaguchi fucking up, he has been made characters act like assholes(Vegeta not helping Goku with the Genkidama kinda comes to mind), idiots(Tien, Piccolo, Gohan in episode 106).

So If Kalefla might be Gotenks 2.0 in episode 114(Yamaguchi wrote that episode).

She acted disrespectful towards Goku in 100 written by King Ryu and didn't warm up until she saw Super Saiyan 2 and why would Cali respect Goku anyway when she didn't know him? Because he's Goku?

Not sure what is up with your hate train for Yamaguchi by blaming him for character interaction you don't like when other writers have done the same. And Tien and Gohan has always been an idiots and Vegeta acting like a dick, news at 11.

Aww, nice to see my Big Buff Lesbian Saiyans holding hands. I hope the cut looks better in the finished episode, though.

Are you sure holding hands is all you want?

I'm bewildered by there being vocal hatred hating those two. It seems especially bad--I haven't collected the empirical data--with Caulifla.

It's actually more along the lines of people not being a fan of that particular character type in general..
Tsunderes, especially ones who don't have the abilities to back up their hardy attitude aren't everyone's cup of tea..
Now if she started somewhat cocky but simply became more and more arrogant as she starts to see she is actually really good at this transformation stuff, that would have been a different story..

But now I understand why she has fans, just like it's for any other tsundere,
MACHOI- I mean this

She's fulfilling the sexual fetishes of creators and fans with her personality and character setting, that's all.

Except Cali isn't a Tsunderes. A Tsunderes is someone how acts like an asshole to hide their feelings, hence Vegeta. Cali doesn't act like asshole to hide anything, she acts like asshole to those she doesn't respect and warms up quickly when she does. Cali also does backup her talk since she called the Pride Troopers wimps and rung out four of them with Kale.

[Ki Breaker]

Ssj3 while fused? Sounds like Gotenks.

Maybe Caulifla isn't meant to be an analogue to Gokû. Maybe she's meant to be an analogue to Kid Trunks.

I am curious, why do the saiyans have to be a version of someone?
Can't she just be her own character?

[Ki Breaker]

Except Cali isn't a Tsunderes. A Tsunderes is someone how acts like an asshole to hide their feelings, hence Vegeta. Cali doesn't act like asshole to hide anything, she acts like asshole to those she doesn't respect and warms up quickly when she does. Cali also does backup her talk since she called the Pride Troopers wimps and rung out four of them with Kale.

That's the closest thing she can be categorized into, and how do we know she isn't hiding her feelings or acting tough? She doesn't necessarily have to be at her attitude 24/7..
She does drop her attitude with Kale doesn't she..
Whatever you wanna call her you can, but that's most certainly a tsundere in my book..

[perucho1990]

Nah, in episode 100 she was a jerk, but a lovable jerk that wanted to fight Goku because she found him interesting.

Vegeta in episode 109 acted more like Cell Saga Vegeta, Toshios Vegeta is how Vegeta should be.

Instead of Yamaguchi, they shouldve gotten Tomohiro Suzuki when he was a free agent, I liked how he never made OPM characters feel OOC.

[namekiansaiyan]

Except Cali isn't a Tsunderes. A Tsunderes is someone how acts like an asshole to hide their feelings, hence Vegeta. Cali doesn't act like asshole to hide anything, she acts like asshole to those she doesn't respect and warms up quickly when she does. Cali also does backup her talk since she called the Pride Troopers wimps and rung out four of them with Kale.

That's the closest thing she can be categorized into, and how do we know she isn't hiding her feelings or acting tough? She doesn't necessarily have to be at her attitude 24/7..
She does drop her attitude with Kale doesn't she..
Whatever you wanna call her you can, but that's most certainly a tsundere in my book..

She is just an idiot like most other Saiyans.

Ssj3 while fused? Sounds like Gotenks.

Maybe Caulifla isn't meant to be an analogue to Gokû. Maybe she's meant to be an analogue to Kid Trunks.

I am curious, why do the saiyans have to be a version of someone?
Can't she just be her own character?

They are but you can tell who 6 members of team Universe 6 are suppose to represent. Kid Trunks is definitely not represented.

[HeroR]

Nah, in episode 100 she was a jerk, but a lovable jerk that wanted to fight Goku because she found him interesting.

Vegeta in episode 109 acted more like Cell Saga Vegeta, Toshios Vegeta is how Vegeta should be.

Instead of Yamaguchi, they shouldve gotten Tomohiro Suzuki when he was a free agent, I liked how he never made OPM characters feel OOC.

No, she wanted to fight Goku because she saw him as easy prey for Kale. She wanted Kale to fight Goku at first. And again, why would Cali treat Goku respectfully when they first met? She didn't know him and all she rightful pointed out, 'they were fighting to see who was the strongest, not be friends'.

Vegeta in 109 also shield Goku from a surprised attack, so he didn't act like Cell Saga Vegeta. Stop exaggerating.

Like I said, your disliked for Yamaguchi is both overblown and crazy.

That's the closest thing she can be categorized into, and how do we know she isn't hiding her feelings or acting tough? She doesn't necessarily have to be at her attitude 24/7..
She does drop her attitude with Kale doesn't she..
Whatever you wanna call her you can, but that's most certainly a tsundere in my book..

Which isn't correct, plain and simple. We know she isn't hiding anything because when she likes and respects someone, she shows it like with Hit, Cabba later on, and even with Goku after he earned her respect. We don't see her acting like an ass like Vegeta when we know deep inside he cares, most of the time. Having an attitude isn't a Tsundere and people needs to stop using it to mean such a thing when it's actually a very specific term.

She has an attitude with Kale, it's far more downplay, like her bragging about how strong she can become. Her having a attitude is who she is. Cali is a very opened book.

[Simere]

Except Cali isn't a Tsunderes. A Tsunderes is someone how acts like an asshole to hide their feelings, hence Vegeta. Cali doesn't act like asshole to hide anything, she acts like asshole to those she doesn't respect and warms up quickly when she does. Cali also does backup her talk since she called the Pride Troopers wimps and rung out four of them with Kale.

That's the closest thing she can be categorized into, and how do we know she isn't hiding her feelings or acting tough? She doesn't necessarily have to be at her attitude 24/7..
She does drop her attitude with Kale doesn't she..
Whatever you wanna call her you can, but that's most certainly a tsundere in my book..

Being nice to one person and mean to another isn't tsundere, it's just...standard. I don't think there's anyone here who doesn't do that. Tsunderes switch on and off with the same person repeatedly, that's the key. There's other categories and archetypes you can place her in besides a -dere type.

[JulieYBM]

Aww, nice to see my Big Buff Lesbian Saiyans holding hands. I hope the cut looks better in the finished episode, though.

Are you sure holding hands is all you want?

Well, I don't think I'll get to see their Big, Buff Lesbian Saiyan bodies forced to grow soft and round with each other's child.

But, yeah, I don't really see Caulifla as a tsundere. Maybe if anything ever comes of her relationship with Cabba, but I don't see that happening. Caulifla just steamrolls with her personality.